GyroJet anyone?

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Anyone else find the GyroJet facinating? I know it's not a real feasible firearm from use standpoint, but I think it'd be a blast (no pun intended) from the recreational standpoint.







http://www.hwth.com/guns/MBA_Gyrojet.htm
This month we look on a classic that may have changed the world of firearms. When I first read about the Gyrojet, it was years ago in a James bond book. At the time I thought it was a "Q" device and didn't really exist. Years later, a Gyrojet pistol almost became my first firearm. I still regret not getting it. Read on and see why.

The MBA Gyrojet was conceived by Robert Mainhardt and Art Biehl. They formed MBAssociates or MBA. First off, The gyrojet is not a firearm in the conventional sense. It's ammo was a 13mm stainless steel armor piercing rocket. Later models were made in 12mm to comply with civilian guns having a max of .50 cal. Both pistol and carbine versions were available in different finish/price levels.

The pistol (well use that for our purposes here) is about the same size as a Colt 45, but it is very light, about 22 oz.
When holding it, the stamped steel/alloy construction combined with all the vent holes make you feel as if this were a toy and incapable of holding up to the pressure of being a firearm. Well, you're right, because the Gyrojet isn't a firearm in the conventional sense.

When a conventional gun is fired, all the pressure from the exploding powder is held in the chamber/barrel. This pressure is what pushes the bullet forward and why as soon as a bullet leaves the barrel, it starts loosing velocity.

The Gyrojet round is pushed by burning solid rocket propellant that is contained within the projectile, so therefore all the pressure is contained by the "bullet" and not by the gun. This also means that muzzle velocity/energy sucks, about 860 ft/sec. Like most rockets however, the longer the burn, the faster the projectile goes. This means at about 100 yards, the velocity is screaming supposedly at 100 yards it is about 50% more powerful than the .45.

Loading/shooting the Gryojet is an experience. To load it, one slides the top cover of the receiver, pushed all 6 rounds in from the top and quickly slid the door shut again. there ew no magazine or feed lips like a semi auto, so all the rounds want to fly back in your face if you are not fast. For anyone familiar with the M-1 Garand, imagine trying to load it without the EN-Bloc clip to hold the bullets in place.

With rockets in place, the pistol is cocked for the first shot via a cocking lever that is pushed forward and down.

This lever is on the left side of the frame just above the trigger. The rocket leaving the barrel cocks the hammer for the subsequent shots. When the trigger is pulled, there is not the noticeable bang of a gun. The Gyrojet just makes a small crack then a hiss as the rocket goes off. Shake and open beer can to hear this noise.

Reports of the time show the gyrojet had some decent accuracy among those who tested (note: I have held these guns, but never fired one due to lack of 12/13mm rockets at my local Wal-Mart). Instead of conventional rifling,the Gyrojet used multiple angled exhaust ports to spin the projectile as it traveled thru the smooth barrel. this produced great accuracy, but it was also one of the downfalls of the design.

MBA originally produced this weapon for use in Vietnam, and that's where some of the downfalls were seen. Rocket fuel (solid type) didn't always like humid weather, so misfires or not getting a 100% burn was a problem, though an infrequent one. Another problem was the slight chance of fouling of the exhaust ports. Remember they provided the rifling, so a fouled port could cause a wobbling path and nasty accuracy problems. The biggest drawback was that the rocket burning could leave a trail back to the shooter. Not good in combat.

After a thousand or so were produced, it seemed that the world was happy to stick with gunpowder. The Gyrojet disappeared, but due to its mention in war games like "Delta Green" interest is picking up in the real thing.

Gyrojet pistols in plain black finish are going for about $650 to about $1,500 for the gold presentation model. Carbines are goin for between $900 and $1,700. Last time I found ammo, it was in 1999 for about 30 a box. I personally would not recommend firing one anyhow as with no support for the Gyrojet, I don't even know who would be qualified to see if it's safe to shoot. But, if you want a real neat piece of
firearms history, this is a neat one to hang on the wall
 
Thanks for the blast (pun intended) from the past, Oh Bad One. Every oncet in a while my brain stumbles over this rocket pistol concept and I wonder how it would work today with the technology increases since the time of the original GyroJet. I understood that The King, Elvis Presley, had a GyroJet. :cool:
 
I understood that The King, Elvis Presley, had a GyroJet.
Now that got a good chuckle out of me. If you've ever played the video game "Duke Nukem" there's a part where you have a very large impressive weapon. One of "Duke's" comments when using said weapon is;

"Hail to the King baby". :D
 
There was a very good article on the Gyrojet in The Small Arms Review within the last year including a detailed account of a guy that carried one in Vietnam.
 
It's more like a cheapo, junko,stamped metal......

kind of a look. I can remember when these were now and wow and all that. As I recall....initial acceleration of the projectile was so low, that one could place their finger over the muzzle of the weapon to stop the little "rocket" from launching. Also, practical accuracy was a joke.
 
Here is a brief historical addition to the Volcanic Repeating Arms...

The Henry evolved out of the earlier "Volcanic" repeating rifles and pistols. The Volcanic arms fired a "rocket ball" bullet with a hollow base containing powder and priming compound. Produced between 1855 and 1860, Volcanic arms, costly, prone to malfunctions and limited in power, never achieved popularity. The Volcanic company went bankrupt in 1857, and was reorganized as the New Haven Arms Company by Oliver Winchester. In 1860, B. Tyler Henry, New Haven's plant superintendent, redesigned the Volcanic action to fire a .44 caliber rimfire brass cartridge loaded with 25 grains of powder behind a 216 grain bullet. (A load with a 210 grain bullet and 30 grains of powder is also recorded.) Thus was born the Henry rifle.

from

http://www.civilwarguns.com/9107b.html

Also see picture ...
 

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I saw a gyrojet with 5 rds for sale several years ago and I think they were asking just over $1000. interesting blaster.

Tim
 
A little background;
The Gyrojet was produced in San Ramon, CA by a company named MB associates.
It was mentioned in a newspaper story about so called espionage when a Soviet consular official tried to buy one over the counter at F. Schilling and Son Sporting Goods on Post St. in San Jose, CA.
 
For me, three things always prevented serious interest regarding the Gyrojet.
Questionable accuracy, questionable point-blank performance and possible fire hazards. I'm not even sure if I like the concept all together.

Until those magnetic pulse rifles debut, I'm sure I'll remain perfectly content with my traditional firearms. ;)
 
Another interesting thing about the Gyrojet is that for 'armor piercing'... it had close to zero muzzle energy. It only gained energy as the velocity built up. Somewhere, there's an old film clip about it that shows a Gyrojet fired at a 2X4 at a range of about a foot. It doesn't blow through the 2X4, the 2X4 stops it, and is angled such that the friction of the spinning nose walks it up the board, offsetting gravity so that it stays in place until it spins all it's energy off and falls. Not a good thing when coupled with poor accuracy at a distance.

It was a cute novelty, and those that survived are worth a bunch now.....
 
Knew the CEO of the company back in early 70's, company went flop so he had a crate of these and a couple crates of ammo. We fired about 100 rounds down near Carmel River in Ca. I wouldn't put my hand infront of muzzle! but it took about 4ft to get up to .45acp velocity. Accuracy was about a foot at 50 ft. Projos were incendiary! Gun(sheet metal stampings) got pretty hot as I remember too. He wanted to trade one for my XP100, but even in 1972 I could see ammo problems!:cool:
 
I always thought the Gyrojet would be more practical as a submachine gun. With no recoil, automatic fire from a lightweight weapon would be more accurate.

Regards,
Ron
 
Some of them may have been stampings, but mine is an aluminum alloy casting with the steel parts and barrel inserted.

The above about problems is all true. Inaccurate, and no power at near contact range, and the ammo cost a bundle. Some consider it a good idea that was ahead of its time; I considered it a bad idea to begin with, and poorly thought out, but an interesting novelty. It was a solution in search of a problem since it had no advantage over a conventional pistol even had it lived up to its billing.

For those interested, the projectiles are small rockets, with vents at the back that are slanted to spin the projectile. The magazine is loaded from the top down after a top cover is drawn back. The projectile has a standard CF primer at the rear, but the hammer strikes the projectile on the nose, driving it backward into a fixed firing pin in the top cover. The moving projectile then overrides the hammer, cocking it for the next shot. I understand the initial idea was to effect rotation solely by the angling of the vents, but mine also has rifling in the barrel.

Jim
 
There is an extensive analysis of the Gyrojet and its ammo HERE; and an entire page of reviews is located HERE.

For Gyrojet pictures, go HERE

An example:

gyrogroup.jpg
 
Gyrojet snubby?

How about a Gyrojet snubby?

-No recoil, so make it a large caliber round.
-Accurate enough at snubby distances.
-Hits .45 velocity within 4 ft.

Might not accelerate enough inside a 1 7/8 inch barrel , though.
 
Gyrojet

I currently own two (2) Gyrojet guns.

The 13 MM Carbine.

The 13 MM handgun. The handgun is the much coveted "Presentation Model" in a velvet lined oak hard case with a medalleon of Mr Goddard ( The inventer of the rocket) surrounded with 13 rounds of the ammunition, and a tool for the gun.

All in excellent condition.

I am considering selling them but don't know how to go about it.

I did look up the book value on the guns, but that was a few years ago.
 
I remember handling a Gyrojet back in the 60's. They were often in local gunshops. It was so light that it felt like a plastic toy. The guns were reasonably priced but the ammo was outrageous. It was advertised as the gun of the future and it could be fired in space with out knocking the astronaut warrior out of orbit. Now we have the Scandium airlights that duplicate the feel but with better ergonomics and traditional ammo. The Gyrojet might have caught on if the ammo had been reasonably priced. I recall seeing a snub version as barrel length had no bearing on velocity.
 
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