H&K: Because you suck even more, and now we LOATHE you.

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So, Heckeler and Co-, er, Heckler and Koch, not only will they not make/import 922r compliant 'un-neutered' versions of their UMP/G36, but now they want to prohibit you from converting the USC and SL-8? I'm sorry, but H&K just crossed into A.R.M.S territory on the 'hate list'.
 
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They make very nice stuff but I refuse to buy any of their guns because they essentialy give the US public the middle finger.

When they actualy care about civilian sales I'll buy from them, until than I'll send the middle finger right back at them. Lots of other very good company's do care, and deserve my money more.


I might buy a PTR91 though, because HK won't get a dime and they are made in CT.
 
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Take it easy, take it easy!

HK is not a cottage industry. They make bucks from bigger M&P type sales. We get what comes out of it. Yes, I hate the apparent (and I say apparent) arrogance. But the reason we're pissed is because of the respect and admiration we have for their stuff . . . c'mon, you know it's true.

As for lefties (and I'm not one), their handguns do address those needs.

When you are the owner of a business, let me know how you choose to operate it. When its your capital and your revenues on the line . . . it does something to your thinking.
 
I see what you're saying, but why not put better products out there for the commercial market? Take Beretta for example, I own a Beretta 92FS and as far as I can tell there aren't any real differences between the 92FS and the M9. I like the pistol, despite what many say about it, and will likely buy from Beretta again in my lifetime. Ditto for Sig, I've bought a pistol and a rifle from them and will likely buy another of their products in my lifetime.

H&K on the other hand, I have never bought from and never plan to. They may make fine pistols and their commercial pistols may be on par with their military ones but I'll never buy from them based on their reputation. I'm sure I'm not the only one and their sales on the commercial market are probably considerably less than what they could be if they were to offer up commercials, semi-auto clones of the G36 and improved their reputation.

This is coming from a guy who, with the wife, have only been gun owners for about a year and a half. Barring the wife falling in love with an H&K, they have lost our business for life, based on reputation alone. I'm sure they're doing a brisk business with militarizes and LE agencies worldwide. I'm equally sure their commercial sales are considerably lower than what they could be.
 
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I've disliked H&K for many years.

Their over priced stamped receiver guns are "quality" yet a stamped receiver gun made one country over is complete trash?

Their plastic frame pistol is $800 but the Glock which is made the next country over using the same basic operation retails for $300 less and outsells the H&K by a large number. It's a modified Browning recoil pistol with a plastic frame, black finish, and manual safety. Been done before many times for cheaper.

Their rifles kick harder than any other design, aren't that accurate, are stamped receiver, overpriced, and have a goofy-azz op handle. And they are over priced.

They have continually shunned the American consumer, both LE and civilian for decades. SIG has as well, but that's another thread.

H&K has the best marketing team in the world. I sincerely applaud them. I guess you can polish a turd.

I own two (types) of H&K guns. I have one each of the P7 series pistol in every caliber, including the elusive .45 ACP and I have a few of the original VP70 machine pistols. Both are really neat guns with superb mechanisms. It it my opinion that these represent the best H&K had to offer and everything since those is seriously lacking.
 
As someone stated in a previous post...

BEST 1,000.00 dollar 400.00 dollar guns out there.
 
HK: Because You Suck and We Hate You

They took the G36, which is basically a blah rifle, used by a handful of countries that don’t ever actually shoot people, and uglied it up so that it looks like the demented lovechild of Bloaty the Pizza Hog and a Super-Soaker.
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Easily the best line in the whole thing.

And for the record this is at least 99% true.

I like the P7 but that is the anomoly of HK and sadly it will never be made again.
 
I'm not going to bash HK on their weapons....all the ones that I have shot performed very well.
But they are way overpriced for what you get IMO.
 
HK are way overpriced, so I won't buy one.

Thing is though, they just don't care if they are on your hate list or not. They have enough military contracts to make plenty of money, and the reputation on which to base their inflated prices on. I'm not going to get all upset about them though - it is their company, they can run it how they see fit - but I won't be buying.
 
Another sign H&K does not like the USA civilian consumer...
... H&K MR556 MSRP $2995.
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Yeah I can buy an LWRC for a bit less than that, its built by a very good American company, is actualy combat proven,(and has a better combat record than the HK416 BTW) and doesn't use a proprietary lower.
 
I have never been able to find anyone who would not recommend a HK handgun - until I read this thread. Every other place I look for opinions and recommendations, HK comes out on top - particularly the P30 series.
 
My USP Tactical is the most fantastic firearm I have ever fired. I have owned darned near every make and model of polymer pistol out there, and HK is top shelf. I understand the issues folks have witht he company, but I'm not letting it stop me from owning first class hardware. They don't hate you, me, or anyone else. There are policies in place that folks disagree with, but none of it if directed at any individual. I buy products that work.
 
I am in the market for a pistol caliber carbine, and I wanted a ump 45. I will settle for one with a government approved barrel length, but the civilian model of the ump is a joke. It is dissapointing, and I am angry about it as well.
 
I love Hk, and I understand that their money is made overwhelmingly from LEO and military contracts, but it seems to me like their civilian prices only hurt them.

I sell maybe 15 or 20 XDs/Glocks for every P30 or USP. I just don't get it. It's to the point where they're barely even a competitor.
 
The earlier H&K guns like the P7 I will buy because that was from the era when H&K actually liked the civilian market. I heard that they were planning on coming out with a sear for civilians to convert their semi auto clones into the real deal but the Hughes Amendment stopped that.
 
I have owned a mere 2 HK USP pistols and have to admire the work they put into it and the accuracy. That said they are definitley expensive investments. I used to belong and contribute to the HK forum to help new shooters. I found many posters there to be true HK snobs and some collectors. HK doesn't appear to care about American sponsorship like other companies like Beretta, Glock or FN. Parts are incredibly hard to find and very expensive. That said there are many new competitors willing to cater to the American shooter so who cares about HK- only those snobs... I shoot my HKs still but I think my SA is just as accurate or more so and just as much fun.
 
HKs are great guns, I wouldn't hesitate to pay a couple hundred more for one than say a Glock or XD, after all what's a couple hundred bucks when a case of ammo cost more than that now.
That said they should try to cater to the US civilian market more.
 
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