H&r 922

[instructor33]

I have an H&R 922. Round bbl. 2" to the frame, 2"1/2 " through to the inner frame. No mods. Standard H&R plastic grips. Hard to hold with large hands. 9 shot cyl. Drop out cyl or right hand feed slot. Pin through cyl (undr bbl). SN R 1475

What can you help me learn about this one?

Thanks

 

[jamesjo]

instructor33,
Your 922 was manufactured in 1955.
Probably worth about $ 175-200 in 100% condition.
Maybe $ 100 in average condition.
A utility grade, low priced revolver.
But they were well made, and the ones I have fired are very good shooters.
I haven't fired any of the short barrelld ones however.
Great tackle box/field revolver.

 

[instructor33]

Thaks very much.
Bob

 

[Onward Allusion]

The 2.5" barrels are a little rarer. In very good to excellent condition, the short barrel would fetch closer to $200. I refer to the 922's as semi-collectibles. I have several and one is from 1940. It's kind of cool to see the minor changes through the years of manufacture. All mine are shooters.

instructor33

H&r 922 I have an H&R 922. Round bbl. 2" to the frame, 2"1/2 " through to the inner frame. No mods. Standard H&R plastic grips. Hard to hold with large hands. 9 shot cyl. Drop out cyl or right hand feed slot. Pin through cyl (undr bbl). SN R 1475
What can you help me learn about this one?

 

[jamesjo]

Here's a couple pics of my 922's.
The 1950 was my uncle's.
I bought it from him before he passed away.
Paid $ 25.
He bought it new, I have the box, paperwork, hang tag, and receipt.
Still looks new.
This was my first H&R, I now have about 30, and love them all!

1954 4"


1950 6"

 

[instructor33]

Thank you all!

Bob

 

[OldShoe]

Would it be inapropreate to ask what my 922 sn 1846xx might be? I appologize in advance if this isn't the proper place for such a question.

Thanks THR for all your help thus far.

 

[jamesjo]

Oldshoe,
The best I can do is tell you it is pre 1940.
Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me will show up, and narrow it down for you.
Jim

 

[Onward Allusion]

Manufactured 1938-39 (estimate). Depending on condition they usually fetch between $100 to $150. They're fun shooters for fixed cylinder revolvers because the cylinder is easily popped in and out with the pull of the pin - can't be said of all fixed cylinders.

OldShoe
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Would it be inapropreate to ask what my 922 sn 1846xx might be? I appologize in advance if this isn't the proper place for such a question.

Thanks THR for all your help thus far.

 

[32 Magnum]

Does your piece look like either of these? The Model 922 was introduced circa 1925/26 and has 7 recognized variations up through 1952. In late 1952 (M prefix) H&R changed the frame style to have a square or rounded grip - the 4" Camper and the 2.5" Bantam. In 1953 (N) the full size 922 frame was also changed and this resulted in the 2nd Model series - which itself has several variations.



Here's pics of the full size 6", Camper 4" and Bantam 2.5" variations - 2nd Models

 

[OldShoe]

Thank you Jamesjo and Onward Allusion! I had a feeling I should stick to standard 22lr and avoid those stingers I guess i needed to hear it from some one else. I will post a pic soon.

thanks again

And 32 magnum i'd say it look's like the one labeled "third variation"

 

[Bluehawk]

I had a feeling I should stick to standard 22lr and avoid those stingers I guess i needed to hear it from some one else.

I don't see anywhere that is says to avoid Stinger ammo...although I wouldn't use it in mine either. (I have an H&R 686 .22LR/.22Magnum)

 

[OldShoe]

922



here's a photo thanks again guys

S/N 1846xx
Took it out to the range today, lots of fun.

 

[jamesjo]

Nice!!

 

[Bluehawk]

Here's a pic of my H&R ".22 Special" nine-shot, top-break revolver.
Will post more pics later of my other H&R's.

 

[Bluehawk]

This is a pic of my H&R "The American Double Action", solid frame, .32 S&W produced from about 1887-1940. Previous owner took great care of it and I could not find any evidence it had been fired prior to my buying it!
This was H&R's first double action revolver they made prior to their breaktop models. Popular with the ladies, bankers, storekeepers and even cowboys because they were inexpensive but of good quality. A regular cowboy could never afford a Colt "Peacemaker" on his measly income!

 

[32 Magnum]

OldShoe,
I can confirm from your pic. that your piece is indeed a 1st Mod. 3rd Var., made between 1932 and 1937. I have an example with s/n 170433, so I'd GUESS yours was made probably around 1933-34. I'm happy that you enjoy shooting this old work horse.
Jim Hauff

 

[32 Magnum]

Bluehawk,
The piece you have pictured as an AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION doesn't match any of the known H&R American Double Action models or variations. Can you supply a picture of the top strap, where all of the pieces of this Model in my collection are stamped? It may be an unknown variation - although the grip panel, hammer spur configuration, hump at the top of the back strap, front sight blade, indentation at the front of the frame forward of the cylinder, lack of single action sear trip lever in the trigger guard, shape of trigger guard bow, etc. don't match anything I've seen made by H&R.
Here's a picture of a very early 1st Model 2nd variation - note that the picture is labelled as a 1st Var. however an earlier variation has been discovered since I took this pic. making this one a 2nd Var.
See picture below for an ADA 2nd Model
Second point, the first H&R double action revolver is known to collectors as the "MODEL 1880" and was made between 1880 and 1883. It has an entirely different configuration and action than the ADA, which replaced it. The M1880 was also the only H&R DA revolver made with a side plate. Examples are rare as only between 3000 and 5000 were produced - not many survive.
I have two in my collection, both nickel plated, one in .32 CF and one in .38 CF.

 

[dogngun]

I had a short barrelled one maybe 14 years ago. It was reliable

enough to carry in the woods, and accurate enough. It was the round butt version, and it was really built well.
They were inexpensive no frills guns, and a whole lot of them are still working many decades after they were made.
I'd keep it even if you have no immediate use for it...you never know.

mark

 

[Bluehawk]

32 Magnum,
you are truly correct...it's a Hopkins and Allen XL Double Action...I grabbed the wrong gun from the safe!!!! :banghead:
I do have the H&R American...will photograph it soon.
The books I have say the American Double Action was the first solid frame, double action, centerfire revolver made by H&R. Can you steer me to where it says otherwise please?
The oval sideplates on your 1880's look exactly like my S&W model 1880.

 

[Bluehawk]

The yellow background on my topbreak was getting a lot of complaints so I changed it...is this better??

 

[OldShoe]

922

32 Magnum thanks again! So I could say "Mid thirties" rather then "Late"? I am enjoying it a whole bunch, plotting on getting another but I live in CA so are choices are few.

I don't have alot of older family to "hand me down old" firearms, so I feel lucky too have snagged this and I look forward to the day I give it too my own son. I feel like I am the the lucky grandson who got grandpas guns.

Are these C&R? And Can C&R Lic holders buy them cross state lines? Cause Nevada and Oregon are awesome compared

thanks

So what do you guys recommend as far as ammo? Am I "pushing it" with mini mags?

 

[Bluehawk]

32Magnum
I'm curious as to how H&R could have made an 1880 model double action revolver that year when they didn't obtain patents for a double action lock until 1887?

 

[32 Magnum]

Bluehawk,
Take a look at the following pictures of:
a. Barrel stamping on the Model 1880, you will note the "PAT'D JAN. 20, 1880" stamp under the company name/address stamp, hence the term "MODEL of 1880" used by collectors. This patent was granted to Peter Holter.

b. Comparison of the Model 1880 vs. an early 1st Model 2nd Variation AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION.


There has been quite a bit of erroneous and incomplete information published in various "guides" concerning H&R firearms. Much of this "data" has been passed down over the years and not corrected due to a lack of collector interest in H&R firearms. Over the past 15 years that I have developed my collection of H&Rs (I have owned over 600 examples, and currently retain right around 400 examples), I have been able to detect the erroneous information and ALSO have become familiar with several top notch collectors of H&R firearms, either niche models or all models. I have also been associated with William "Bill" Goforth (author of THE guide on Iver Johnson firearms) who decided about a dozen years ago to also author a guide on H&Rs. He, Bill, performed historical research using patents, catalogues spanning the years mid 1880's thru 1986, and other published/unpublished sources. As Bill came up with written data, I was able to find examples of hardware to confirm, deny or embellish that data. Several other collectors were also involved, but I had the largest and most comprehensive collection available to Bill. (I personally know one gentleman who has a much "BETTER" collection of H&Rs than I. He is a former employee of H&R Arms Co. and has possession of production records including dates. I have been unable to tap into this source due to confidentiality concerns, until Bill's book is published, and I will honor those concerns.) The culmination of this research will be detailed in Bill's book to be published, hopefully, in early 2011. With his research in hand, he and I collaborated to revamp the H&R Arms Co. section of "THE BLUE BOOK OF GUN VALUES", by Steve Fjestad. For the most up-to-date information, including average national retail valuations - you can read our updates, starting with the 29th Edition. There will be some more updated material included in the 32nd Edition, due out in May 2011 - some based, chiefly upon more "hardware" that I have acquired over the past year, which changes some data, as well as information provided by contributors and posters to about a dozen forums that we both regularly visit and post upon. I hope this info helps - especially if you, or anyone else, are interested in beginning a comprehensive collection of H&R handguns.

 

[32 Magnum]

32 Magnum thanks again! So I could say "Mid thirties" rather then "Late"? I am enjoying it a whole bunch, plotting on getting another but I live in CA so are choices are few.
OLDSHOE - I'm glad to have helped and yes, looks like your piece is mid 1930's.

I don't have alot of older family to "hand me down old" firearms, so I feel lucky too have snagged this and I look forward to the day I give it too my own son. I feel like I am the the lucky grandson who got grandpas guns.

Are these C&R? And Can C&R Lic holders buy them cross state lines? Cause Nevada and Oregon are awesome compared.
You need to check with local and state laws in California concerning C&R purchases from out of state, I am not familiar with them - but the Federal regs. do allow direct mail or common carrier deliveries of C&R eligible pieces over state lines.Any firearm manufactured 50 years before date of sale is considered by BATFE to be a C&R eligible piece - this is only one of several criteria - but it is the most used and comprehensive.thanks

So what do you guys recommend as far as ammo? Am I "pushing it" with mini mags?
Personally, I'd use standard velocity (less than 1250 fps muzzle velocity) rounds because of slightly lower chamber pressures. No sense in over taxing the old girl. Think how you feel, now-a-days, after eating a bean burrito. LOL!