H4350 for .308?

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Im seeing H4350 available here and there so i looked for some load data for .308 and can’t find it in the Hornady or Lyman handbook. None available on Hodgdons site either.
Theres load data for 7mm-08 H4350 and 6.5 CM H4350….how is it possible to skip .308?
Has anyone tried it or is it just not suitable for .30 cal?
 
From what I understand, it is too slow for the .308.
The case capacity is too small to hold enough powder for it to be as effective as some of the calibers you’ve mentioned.
thats not to say you can’t use it….
 
Im seeing H4350 available here and there so i looked for some load data for .308 and can’t find it in the Hornady or Lyman handbook. None available on Hodgdons site either.
Theres load data for 7mm-08 H4350 and 6.5 CM H4350….how is it possible to skip .308?
Has anyone tried it or is it just not suitable for .30 cal?
I agree with others here. The .308W doesn't have the case volume for either of the 4350s. I reload for 8mm Mauser, which has nearly 10% more case volume than the .308. And the IMR4350 still lacks behind other faster powders.

Edit: I was given 4 lbs. of IMR4350 in the old metal cans. I have used some of the 4350, because it was free. But Varget has been more accurate and less of a pain to load with.
 
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There’s a potential pitfall of having something like H4350 sitting on the shelf with no good options to use it with.

These orphan components are sometimes referred to as “rifle/pistol seeds”. If you’re not careful it can become a catalysts for having a new rifle sprouting up in your gun safe chambered in a cartridge that’s made for H4350. ;)
 
While not ideal for 308 it could be used if it's all you have. Chances are that you'll get an accurate load, but velocity won't be as fast as powders better suited for 308. It's not about case capacity but burn rate. H4350 is considered the go-to powder for 6.5CM which has less case capacity than 308. It also works well in 243.

If you were interested in using 200gr and heavier bullets in 308 it starts to look a lot better.
 
If you were interested in using 200gr and heavier bullets in 308 it starts to look a lot better.

Not even then. I’ve seen guys try it with Berger 200’s in an attempt to develop loads for F/TR. it still doesn’t generate enough FPS to take advantage of the improved BC, which is the point of using 200gn bullets in .308 win.

Varget, N140 and N150 sill rule in the heavy-for-caliber 308 applications.
 
Ok I'm new to the hand loading arena. I thought that you could use what ever powder you have as long as you dont put too much in the case. I know now that powder goes with projectile weight. I have yet to load my first round because finding components is a huge pain. I did get a Lee loader for my "Margaret". I have posted about her before. Shes a .308 with a 16.5 inch barrel. I just want to concoct a load that goes with her. Do these kinda posts are helpful. Thank you guys.
 
Ok I'm new to the hand loading arena. I thought that you could use what ever powder you have as long as you dont put too much in the case. I know now that powder goes with projectile weight. I have yet to load my first round because finding components is a huge pain. I did get a Lee loader for my "Margaret". I have posted about her before. Shes a .308 with a 16.5 inch barrel. I just want to concoct a load that goes with her. Do these kinda posts are helpful. Thank you guys.

This is kinda true within a range for each cartridge, but in general you have to match the burn rate of the powder to the cartridge and bullet you are shooting. Sweeping with a very broad brush, heavier bullets within a cartridge tend to do better with a slower burn rate powder, whereas lighter bullets tend to do better with a faster powder (again, within a range for each cartridge), though often you can find several powders that will work well for any bullet weight you'll load in a given cartridge. Also, for a given case/cartridge family, a smaller bore diameter will use slower powders than larger bore diameters. So, for example, 243 uses 4350 quite well although 308 prefers somewhat faster powders, even though their cases are essentially the same. You can see the same thing comparing 30-06 to 25-06 (generally slower powder than 30-06) and to 35 whelen (generally faster powder than 30-06). Also, recommended powder charges for bottleneck rifle cartridges tend to fill the case between roughly 90%-100%. These are not hard-and-fast rules, and there is a lot of overlap within cartridges across bullet weights and across cartridges. But these are general guideposts I have observed.

I highly recommend you stick to published load data starting out. I'm one of those old fashioned guys who prefers to have a manual with published data specific to the exact bullet-powder combination I'm shooting. That's not strictly necessary, and I don't always have data that matches my exact bullet and powder together when I load, but it's good advice starting out. Until you get a feel for what you're doing and what you can alter and when, stick to the recipes (including COAL, for now) in the manuals. If you don't have a reloading manual, get one and read it. Start at published minimum charge and work up slowly.

I haven't done a ton of loading for a 308, but sticking to the powders @GooseGestapo mentioned is the easy button. I have used Varget, 4064, and 4895 with good results. As @243winxb mentioned, Nosler lists IMR 4350 as an accpetable powder with 165 grain bullets, but all loads will be compressed. Personally, I probably wouldn't fiddle with that, especially not for my first foray into reloading. Availability of powder and components can vary by region, but if you are patient and pay attention you should be able to find something suitable (at least until things get crazy with the election later next year). Or, you can get impatient and pay hazmat to ship in whatever you want from one of the online retailers. Midsouth has Varget and BL-C(2) in stock right now, for example.

Good luck and be safe.
 
Im seeing H4350 available here and there so i looked for some load data for .308 and can’t find it in the Hornady or Lyman handbook. None available on Hodgdons site either.
Theres load data for 7mm-08 H4350 and 6.5 CM H4350….how is it possible to skip .308?
Has anyone tried it or is it just not suitable for .30 cal?
Honestly I wouldn't put the effort in when it's not ideal.
There are so many powders that will work well with 308 that probably have better availability.
What weight of bullets are you planning to shoot?

If you have a friend who shoot 6.5CM maybe trade him the H4350 fr something better suited for your cartridge.
 
As to OP's question..........on a hunch, I checked my Lee Reloading Manual.........which has a unique way of organizing powders in their reloading tables. A combination of best velocity within safe pressure limits. So as per Lee, best powders are listed at the top of the range.....then ranked in descending order. In the table for 165 grain jacketed bullet, there are about 35 powders listed and not one of the four 4350 powders I'm aware of made the list at all. Nor anywhere else in the load data for 308 Win. To the contrary, Varget, IMR4064, N140, Tac, Reloader 15, 4895 (and/or A2495) made just about all of them. One of the nice things about the 308 Win is so many powders designed for it or right on top of it.......one doesn't have to compromise or make do to load for it.

One of the things I like about the Lee manual is they pull data from a lot of sources......both powder companies and bullet companies. It is a good resource to have.
 
Ok I'm new to the hand loading arena. I thought that you could use what ever powder you have as long as you dont put too much in the case. I know now that powder goes with projectile weight. I have yet to load my first round because finding components is a huge pain. I did get a Lee loader for my "Margaret". I have posted about her before. Shes a .308 with a 16.5 inch barrel. I just want to concoct a load that goes with her. Do these kinda posts are helpful. Thank you guys.
Before you even think of loading read a manual or two. Projectile Weight does make a difference in what powders are appropriate. However there are other factors. Case capacity and bore diameter are equally important factors as well. All influence what the correct burn rate powder will work.

Here‘s an example. The 243 is simply a 308 necked down to 24 caliber. There is some overlap in usable powders, but, many for the 243 are too slow for the 308. Conversely some 308 powders are way too fast for the 243. With too fast a powder you will reach maximum pressure before getting normal range velocity. With too slow a powder you will run out of case capacity before you achieve normal velocities for the cartridge.
 
308 will “go bang” reasonably well, but not always optimally, with a wide range of combinations. I have old (1970) DuPont data for a 180 .428 seat 4350 at 51.0 compressed 2625 fps 24 inch 51000 psi. Myself I would not use this in some semi autos as the pressure curve might be a bit long. 150 gr is giving up 250 fps compared to 4064 with that same vintage data. Also imr4350 only getting up to 40,000 psi with that load and I’d venture a guess that the velocity spread may open up and I would be surprised if it grouped as well as some more optimal combinations. But it’ll certainly kill a deer at 100 yards if that’s all it’s being asked to do.
 
Before you even think of loading read a manual or two.
I wouldnt dream of reloading a round without the proper equipment and a updated load manual is part of that equipment.
I inherited 2 Dilion Square Deal B presses from my dad. I have no idea how to set them up and the what nots. It's ok because I dont have components neccessary to use them anyway. Once I do I will read the instruction manual at least 3 time and probally watch a dozen YouTube videos on the proper set up.

I did get a Lee loader kit in .308 winchester. That one I am planning on using once I can find primers.
 
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