easyg
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Another bad thing about the revolvers....unless she will only be shooting single-action, the heavy double-action trigger pull is not very pleasant (or accurate) for someone with weak or arthritic fingers.
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"Another bad thing about the revolvers....unless she will only be shooting single-action, the heavy double-action trigger pull is not very pleasant (or accurate) for someone with weak or arthritic fingers."
This is a very real concern along with being able to rack the slide on an auto pistol.
Let her decide which system she prefers and make sure she has the strength to pull the trigger or rack the slide. I know some women who prefer Ruger Single Sixes in .32 for just those reasons.
This is a very real concern along with being able to rack the slide on an auto pistol.
Let her decide which system she prefers and make sure she has the strength to pull the trigger or rack the slide. I know some women who prefer Ruger Single Sixes in .32 for just those reasons.
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Semi : Single action trigger, such as 1911, allows more hands and fingers to better use trigger and effectivley keep sights on target as they pull.
Revolver: The older revolvers, have a much better trigger pull and afford one the ability to get a nicer trigger pull.
a. Older guns came with smoother triggers back in the day.
b. Metallurgy, craftmanship and other factors allow them to be smoothed whereas some new materials and designs impeded this.
One other note, and this is a Medium size gun is going to allow for more ease of pulling a trigger, over a smaller gun, if you think about Leverage, and Fulcrums.
Same reason a smaller gun is difficult to get a smoother action job, there is simply not enough room for all the levering and action going on to smooth it, and at the same time be assured of reliable strikes to ignite primer.
Folks get a good revolver, with a smooth trigger, and learn to shoot Double Action - IME/IMO are instilling correct basic, and muscle strength , that will transistion to any platform later on.
Revolvers-
Folks with arthritis, for instance , can sit there and dry fire practice, and not only gain skills, keeping a dime on the front sight or bbl as they dry fire through cylinder over and over and again , this also "Physical Therapy" in keeping fingers, hands, wrist loosened up and strengthen.
They do this with both hands...just like some use a squeeze ball, some use a nice revolver with a nice trigger and keep that arthritis at bay.
Looks good.
Sure a person needs to like the gun, or else they will not want to shoot it, or every be any good with it, or even carry it.
Attitude goes a l-o-n-g way in healing the body.
Medicine has shown this time and time again with folks dealing with being injured, sick and disease, if a person has a positive attitude, they are healthier.
Period.
Now young folks do not always think about such things, they don't or won't look at something from another person's perspective.
There is another dimension many young folks, even ladies, never consider, past the gun is "pretty" or "cute".
Mature adults have lived longer, had more life experiences, and have seen things come and go.
Live long enough - and this happens.
Some things just "are" and is common sense and practical.
These folks have seen all sorts of fads, fashions and trends come and go.
Single Action Semis, Revolvers, and Tip Up Semis, are good looking tools, common sense, timeless and proven.
This is a Positive Attitude factor, and contributes to them wanting to use a gun, carry it, practice and be very good with it.
Just like they do not want a goopy looking set of kitchen skillets, and they don't care about name brands, fashion, newest technology or price tag to impress friends, they don't care if the newest Lady Cook or Gentleman Chef...
Cast Iron Cookware - is proven.
If the arthritis flares up, and it hurts to lift the weight of a cast iron skillet, they use the stainless steel with copper bottom, another proven design, that is classic and is lighter in weight.
They don't want that light weight Teflon, that will not last, as it gets scratches and becomes Toxic.
It is my contention a whole bunch of ladies and gents out there dealing with folks and guns, need to spend time in the "shoes" of those they are assisting.
It is easy to be 17, 25, 35, 40 years old, and be a whole, healthy female or male and "tell" folks what they ought to do.
It is another to sit in that wheelchair, roll one to a lift on a handicapped van, and ride up. Talk about feeling vulnerable!
I and mine do this!
You ain't lived until in a training excercise and done this, and been attacked by a role player getting to that lift and being turned over and out, especially up on that lift, and it is a long way down to the ground, off that lift, tangled in a wheel chair or Amigo portable scooter.
So these moms, dads, aunts, uncles, grandparents, teenage sons and daughters, and others, with problems with hands, fingers and guns, need to be listened too.
Forget "telling" a student what to do, one is wise to listen and learn from them.
One day one themselves may get sick, injured , diseased, or develop arthritis, called life.
There is a reason grandparents still use Cast Iron, stainless and copper cooking utensils, not because they are old and tight with money, they know this fits them and it works.
Old Hickory kitchen knives, besides many reasons I have shared, if one looks, might see a file and sandpaper has been taken to the wood to fit that hand in order for them to use more effectively with injured, or arthritic hands, fingers,and wrists.
Principles apply to handguns.
Ink pens.
This sounds trivial, still arthritic hands have trouble some days writing.
What we have seen, is some of these writing instruments with the odd shapes and all actually make the arthritis worse.
It does not matter what anyone says, or who puts a sticker from whatever arthrisitis foundation on the pen , or endorses it.
That writing instrument does not fit the user, and really, some make matters worse.
Some of the older classic designs still work better and folks will pay more more money , for the same pen, in one that is "pretty" or "cute" or "masculine" or handsome - because they feel good about themselves with that pen and that positive attitude contributes to them feeling better.
I go way back on this, as do some others, and some are doctors, nurses, physical therapists and the like.
Input from these in conjunction with the persons with injury , disease, physical limits, and arthristis trumps anyone , male or female, that is not informed and I don't care if they teach or instruct folks somewhere.
Right is Right and mis-informed is mis-informed.
Don't ever talk down to injured, diseased, physically limited or arthritic person around me and mine.
Don't.
Hickory axe handles are a proven attitude adjustment tool and we like staying in practice with tools we like too.
Revolver: The older revolvers, have a much better trigger pull and afford one the ability to get a nicer trigger pull.
a. Older guns came with smoother triggers back in the day.
b. Metallurgy, craftmanship and other factors allow them to be smoothed whereas some new materials and designs impeded this.
One other note, and this is a Medium size gun is going to allow for more ease of pulling a trigger, over a smaller gun, if you think about Leverage, and Fulcrums.
Same reason a smaller gun is difficult to get a smoother action job, there is simply not enough room for all the levering and action going on to smooth it, and at the same time be assured of reliable strikes to ignite primer.
Folks get a good revolver, with a smooth trigger, and learn to shoot Double Action - IME/IMO are instilling correct basic, and muscle strength , that will transistion to any platform later on.
Revolvers-
Folks with arthritis, for instance , can sit there and dry fire practice, and not only gain skills, keeping a dime on the front sight or bbl as they dry fire through cylinder over and over and again , this also "Physical Therapy" in keeping fingers, hands, wrist loosened up and strengthen.
They do this with both hands...just like some use a squeeze ball, some use a nice revolver with a nice trigger and keep that arthritis at bay.
Looks good.
Sure a person needs to like the gun, or else they will not want to shoot it, or every be any good with it, or even carry it.
Attitude goes a l-o-n-g way in healing the body.
Medicine has shown this time and time again with folks dealing with being injured, sick and disease, if a person has a positive attitude, they are healthier.
Period.
Now young folks do not always think about such things, they don't or won't look at something from another person's perspective.
There is another dimension many young folks, even ladies, never consider, past the gun is "pretty" or "cute".
Mature adults have lived longer, had more life experiences, and have seen things come and go.
Live long enough - and this happens.
Some things just "are" and is common sense and practical.
These folks have seen all sorts of fads, fashions and trends come and go.
Single Action Semis, Revolvers, and Tip Up Semis, are good looking tools, common sense, timeless and proven.
This is a Positive Attitude factor, and contributes to them wanting to use a gun, carry it, practice and be very good with it.
Just like they do not want a goopy looking set of kitchen skillets, and they don't care about name brands, fashion, newest technology or price tag to impress friends, they don't care if the newest Lady Cook or Gentleman Chef...
Cast Iron Cookware - is proven.
If the arthritis flares up, and it hurts to lift the weight of a cast iron skillet, they use the stainless steel with copper bottom, another proven design, that is classic and is lighter in weight.
They don't want that light weight Teflon, that will not last, as it gets scratches and becomes Toxic.
It is my contention a whole bunch of ladies and gents out there dealing with folks and guns, need to spend time in the "shoes" of those they are assisting.
It is easy to be 17, 25, 35, 40 years old, and be a whole, healthy female or male and "tell" folks what they ought to do.
It is another to sit in that wheelchair, roll one to a lift on a handicapped van, and ride up. Talk about feeling vulnerable!
I and mine do this!
You ain't lived until in a training excercise and done this, and been attacked by a role player getting to that lift and being turned over and out, especially up on that lift, and it is a long way down to the ground, off that lift, tangled in a wheel chair or Amigo portable scooter.
So these moms, dads, aunts, uncles, grandparents, teenage sons and daughters, and others, with problems with hands, fingers and guns, need to be listened too.
Forget "telling" a student what to do, one is wise to listen and learn from them.
One day one themselves may get sick, injured , diseased, or develop arthritis, called life.
There is a reason grandparents still use Cast Iron, stainless and copper cooking utensils, not because they are old and tight with money, they know this fits them and it works.
Old Hickory kitchen knives, besides many reasons I have shared, if one looks, might see a file and sandpaper has been taken to the wood to fit that hand in order for them to use more effectively with injured, or arthritic hands, fingers,and wrists.
Principles apply to handguns.
Ink pens.
This sounds trivial, still arthritic hands have trouble some days writing.
What we have seen, is some of these writing instruments with the odd shapes and all actually make the arthritis worse.
It does not matter what anyone says, or who puts a sticker from whatever arthrisitis foundation on the pen , or endorses it.
That writing instrument does not fit the user, and really, some make matters worse.
Some of the older classic designs still work better and folks will pay more more money , for the same pen, in one that is "pretty" or "cute" or "masculine" or handsome - because they feel good about themselves with that pen and that positive attitude contributes to them feeling better.
I go way back on this, as do some others, and some are doctors, nurses, physical therapists and the like.
Input from these in conjunction with the persons with injury , disease, physical limits, and arthristis trumps anyone , male or female, that is not informed and I don't care if they teach or instruct folks somewhere.
Right is Right and mis-informed is mis-informed.
Don't ever talk down to injured, diseased, physically limited or arthritic person around me and mine.
Don't.
Hickory axe handles are a proven attitude adjustment tool and we like staying in practice with tools we like too.
coylh
Member
Recoil sensitivity may just be a mental thing. Use plugs and high db muffs at the range so it's really not just noise sensitivity. In a sufficient caliber, you're going to trade gun weight for recoil, I'm afraid.
The Bushmaster
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easyg...Not necessarly so...My wife's defence gun is a mod 10-5 and she has no problem with double action...
Take her shopping.
You can't pick the gun for her. You say she shoots your P228 well? If that's what she wants, buy her one. Unlike a lot of guys who ask "what gun for..."
you have a mom who already has good data for her choice.
There are several issues:
concealability
weight of the gun
weight of the trigger pull
ability to rack a slide
and one which usually gets ignored: ease of disassembly/reassembly
For those of us who have arthritis, that last one can be just as important as the others. One of the things I liked best about my Springfield XD (my first handgun that I myself bought) was that it takes about five seconds and very little hand strength to take it apart and put it back together. Much different than the "hold your teeth right and breathe and say a Hail Mary" of taking apart, say, a Kimber, or putting together any 1911 (which I now do easily, but it would not have been good juju for that to be my FIRST gun!)
Take her shopping, and while she's looking at guns, suggest that she ask to try them with holsters. Lots of guys never think of this, but the way a gun rides on us is way different than how it rides on you; and she needs to ensure that she can conceal effectively on those dog walks.
Tell her congratulations for taking this step; take her shopping, and have fun. Do not take anyone's recommendations as to what she should have as gospel; she will find the one that fits her hand, is right for her, that she can conceal, and then she's set.
Happy shopping!
Springmom
You can't pick the gun for her. You say she shoots your P228 well? If that's what she wants, buy her one. Unlike a lot of guys who ask "what gun for..."
you have a mom who already has good data for her choice.
There are several issues:
concealability
weight of the gun
weight of the trigger pull
ability to rack a slide
and one which usually gets ignored: ease of disassembly/reassembly
For those of us who have arthritis, that last one can be just as important as the others. One of the things I liked best about my Springfield XD (my first handgun that I myself bought) was that it takes about five seconds and very little hand strength to take it apart and put it back together. Much different than the "hold your teeth right and breathe and say a Hail Mary" of taking apart, say, a Kimber, or putting together any 1911 (which I now do easily, but it would not have been good juju for that to be my FIRST gun!)
Take her shopping, and while she's looking at guns, suggest that she ask to try them with holsters. Lots of guys never think of this, but the way a gun rides on us is way different than how it rides on you; and she needs to ensure that she can conceal effectively on those dog walks.
Tell her congratulations for taking this step; take her shopping, and have fun. Do not take anyone's recommendations as to what she should have as gospel; she will find the one that fits her hand, is right for her, that she can conceal, and then she's set.
Happy shopping!
Springmom
The Bushmaster
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Not a problem, Springmom...I get all the gun cleaning jobs around here...
All of your list are good as my wife has a bit of a time with auto slides. She positivaly loves her 2" mod 10. The action has enough age and use on it that the double action is smooth and slick...And she has Rumitoid arthritis...
All of your list are good as my wife has a bit of a time with auto slides. She positivaly loves her 2" mod 10. The action has enough age and use on it that the double action is smooth and slick...And she has Rumitoid arthritis...
The advice to have her do her own shopping is sound.
If available, a good gun to look at (if available) is a Ruger in .32 magnum. A light recoiling round in a fairly heavy revolver. The downside is that ammo is not common in most gun stores and the double action is likely to be heavy and not so smooth until worked on.
If available, a good gun to look at (if available) is a Ruger in .32 magnum. A light recoiling round in a fairly heavy revolver. The downside is that ammo is not common in most gun stores and the double action is likely to be heavy and not so smooth until worked on.
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