Handloaded Cartridge ID Request: .50-? formed from .348 Win Case

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A long time ago I inherited a large, diverse gun collection along with all kinds of ammunition and accessories to go with it. Most of the collection has been gone through already, but I still have some things that even I, in my now more than a decade of experience as a shooter, collector, and soon-to-be reloader, have been unable to identify.

I'm looking for any ideas about what the cartridges pictured below could be. They are clearly handloads (and a bit crude looking ones, at that) formed from some old W-W Super .348 Winchester cases. The projectiles are .50 caliber and look professionally cast, specifically measuring at most .512" or .511". The case length has some variation as it wasn't trimmed evenly, and is about 1.660". The overall length of the cartridge is 2.185". The primers are hand-marked red, but I'm unsure if this is for personal purposes or if that is a commonly-used technique in the reloading world.

I do have some context clues as to what these could be for, as we cataloged most (but not all) of the guns in the collection before selling some. These particular cartridges were in an old W-W cartridge box labeled .50-70 Winchester, and some Googling has shown that caliber can be formed from 348 cases. One of the two rifles I think these were intended for use in was a ~1990s era reproduction Winchester Model 1885, however our records indicate that rifle was chambered for .50-90 Sharps (which could be incorrect as we didn't know much about guns when the cataloguing occurred, though this particular gun had a box and I assume the correct caliber would be listed on it). The other rifle was a reproduction Sharps-style carbine, though unfortunately we don't have any information in regards to caliber for that one.

My reloading manual is newer and doesn't have the dimensions of any of the cartridges I suspect these to be. I did some Googling and found mixed results, but have been told that reloading information from the internet without a source can be dubious.

So, does anyone have any inclination as to what these could be? I ultimately want to sell them if they are anything of value. I do know that .348 Win cases are quite valuable, but I feel that these might be pretty exhausted already given how they've been expanded to seat a .50 caliber projectile. I don't have a bullet puller at this time to check the type and amount of powder, though when I shake a cartridge it does sound like a more fine-grain smokeless powder as opposed to a coarser black powder. I don't have much reloading equipment at this time, so other information I can provide will be very limited.

Thanks

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50 Alaskan oops answered too quick not long enough to be 50 Alaskan
 
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A long time ago I inherited a large, diverse gun collection along with all kinds of ammunition and accessories to go with it. Most of the collection has been gone through already, but I still have some things that even I, in my now more than a decade of experience as a shooter, collector, and soon-to-be reloader, have been unable to identify.

I'm looking for any ideas about what the cartridges pictured below could be. They are clearly handloads (and a bit crude looking ones, at that) formed from some old W-W Super .348 Winchester cases. The projectiles are .50 caliber and look professionally cast, specifically measuring at most .512" or .511". The case length has some variation as it wasn't trimmed evenly, and is about 1.660". The overall length of the cartridge is 2.185". The primers are hand-marked red, but I'm unsure if this is for personal purposes or if that is a commonly-used technique in the reloading world.

I do have some context clues as to what these could be for, as we cataloged most (but not all) of the guns in the collection before selling some. These particular cartridges were in an old W-W cartridge box labeled .50-70 Winchester, and some Googling has shown that caliber can be formed from 348 cases. One of the two rifles I think these were intended for use in was a ~1990s era reproduction Winchester Model 1885, however our records indicate that rifle was chambered for .50-90 Sharps (which could be incorrect as we didn't know much about guns when the cataloguing occurred, though this particular gun had a box and I assume the correct caliber would be listed on it). The other rifle was a reproduction Sharps-style carbine, though unfortunately we don't have any information in regards to caliber for that one.

My reloading manual is newer and doesn't have the dimensions of any of the cartridges I suspect these to be. I did some Googling and found mixed results, but have been told that reloading information from the internet without a source can be dubious.

So, does anyone have any inclination as to what these could be? I ultimately want to sell them if they are anything of value. I do know that .348 Win cases are quite valuable, but I feel that these might be pretty exhausted already given how they've been expanded to seat a .50 caliber projectile. I don't have a bullet puller at this time to check the type and amount of powder, though when I shake a cartridge it does sound like a more fine-grain smokeless powder as opposed to a coarser black powder. I don't have much reloading equipment at this time, so other information I can provide will be very limited.

Thanks

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Is it possible for a picture to cause mental anguish. Wow that's horrifying... we're is a lee fcd fanboi
 
Is it possible for a picture to cause mental anguish. Wow that's horrifying... we're is a lee fcd fanboi
Lol. I was thinking the same. Though I was thinking maybe these were a work in progress and the original loader intended this to be a fire forming load? And of course, no telling how long ago this was done, so the original loader might have done the rough cut with whatever tools he had on hand...wasn't like today when you could buy fancy case trimmers. I'd guess maybe he was going to fire form them, then final size and trim. Who knows though, interesting mystery round.
 
Wow that's horrifying... we're is a lee fcd fanboi

Forget the Lee Moonies... how about we .348 Guys?!?!? I want to cry over that brass...

It may have been the shortage of factory rounds, or brass to reload which lead someone to try that. The .348 has the largest rim size of any bottleneck cartridge, and I know you can use it as seed for other cartridges.

I would be curious what the bullet weight is. Just eyeballing it, I'd say around 300grns, which is likely too small for a big boomer like .50-70 or .50-90... so maybe it was a .50 'Special' type load someone worked up. .50 Baby Alaskan?
 
Forget the Lee Moonies... how about we .348 Guys?!?!? I want to cry over that brass...

It may have been the shortage of factory rounds, or brass to reload which lead someone to try that. The .348 has the largest rim size of any bottleneck cartridge, and I know you can use it as seed for other cartridges.

The ironic part is that I still have the Model 71 from this collection, and not much ammo for it.
 
The ironic part is that I still have the Model 71 from this collection, and not much ammo for it.

Well... if you are interested in shooting it, and you handload, I can help you there. Factory ammo is Unobtanium right now... and for the foreseeable future, if I was a betting man.
 
What is the case length. It seems the evidence points to this possibly being 50/70 as the OP indicates and that these are cartridges that are ready for their first shooting to fire form .348 Win to 50/70.

With a case length at 1.75" that puts it right below the neck on the .348 brass... I'll bet you are right.
 
Who ever made those must have been desperate. It is a curious round and I would want to know also what the end result was supposed to be.
Those are just painful to look at.
 
Well... if you are interested in shooting it, and you handload, I can help you there. Factory ammo is Unobtanium right now... and for the foreseeable future, if I was a betting man.
Thanks for the offer. I am in the process of acquiring some reloading equipment. .348 is not super high on the list at the moment, but perhaps someday. I recently did find some factory .348 and paid a pretty penny for it ($3ish per shot).
 
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