Autolycus
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Why doesnt Bush get rid of the ATF since he is a friend of the Bill of Rights? We should write him and ask him to end this type of harassment.
Harassment Or Cautious
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Travis Lee
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Admit nothing.
Deny everything.
Make counter-accusations.
Deny everything.
Make counter-accusations.
If the story is true, you shouldn't be telling us, you should be telling the VCDL, and a lawyer and seeing what can be done. Actually, since you said it happened a year ago, you should have told a lawyer a year ago, and the VCDL a year ago. Why the wait?
The one major mistake I see, is that were it me, I would have mocked them. After all, since you did nothing wrong, mocking them might make it BETTER for you. They get mad from the mocking, they violate your rights, you now have an even better lawsuit. Plus, it would just be plain fun to mock them.
The one major mistake I see, is that were it me, I would have mocked them. After all, since you did nothing wrong, mocking them might make it BETTER for you. They get mad from the mocking, they violate your rights, you now have an even better lawsuit. Plus, it would just be plain fun to mock them.
TexasSkyhawk
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THAT WOULD BE A BAD MOVE!!!
I was a fed for a good number of years and we could hold people for damn near any reason for up to 72 hours without charging them with anything or having to put them in front of the U.S. Magistrate.
You want harrassment? I, as a federal officer, can harrass the living hell out of you and you have damned near zero recourse. And when I have three, four, five or more of my butthole buddies with me, it is OUR story against YOURS and OUR story will always prevail.
Disgusting, ain't it?
That's why I tell everyone I know these days to go to some office supply or electronics store and buy a little digital recorder that has a very small, indiscreet microphone and keep in in their car. The minute you ever see flahing lights, start recording and keep recording.
I've gotten three cops fired this way in the past five years for harassment, threats, threats of retaliation and otherwise poor/illegal conduct.
Unfortunately, this is what we have to look forward to more of with today's new generation of law enforcement.
Jeff
larry24
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I have contacted and discussed this issue with proper authorities as well as an attorney. Due to the negligent on my part of documenting the proper names of individuals involved, there is little that can be done. As someone has posted, its my word against a a task force consisting of sworn federal agents, fairfax county police, and virginia state police. Three very reputable and honored agencys. So whom is to believe me?
The reason for posting this was not for pity or advice but to educate and "alarm" other gun owners of how easily our rights can be violated and when this happens to anyone whom reads this, they may be a little more prepared than I was...................As Chris Rock once said: "they scared me so bad, they made me think I stole my own damn car!"
The reason for posting this was not for pity or advice but to educate and "alarm" other gun owners of how easily our rights can be violated and when this happens to anyone whom reads this, they may be a little more prepared than I was...................As Chris Rock once said: "they scared me so bad, they made me think I stole my own damn car!"
Neo-Luddite
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Thanks for sharring the story. Is the moral of the story that more woman need to be taken to gun shows by their husbands/boyfriends? That might be the answer.
Robert Hairless
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My understanding of the law is that it would have been legal even if your wife did purchase the firearm for you if you were not prohibited by law from possessing it.
Here's a link to the Don't Lie for the Other Guy web site because I'm too lazy to go elsewhere. It's accurate so far as I know:
Here's a link to the Don't Lie for the Other Guy web site because I'm too lazy to go elsewhere. It's accurate so far as I know:
Nobody's_Hero
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TexasSkyhawk said:
Do a youtube search for "cops gone wild." There's a video of a cop who lost his temper, and went way out of line in St. George, Missouri. 3 part video, it gets old listening to the kid's radar detector tick all the time, but it's a wake up call for sure. I'm not sure if this is the same kid that was in the news a while back who put a camera in his car because he felt he he was wrongly cited for running a red light. This is a very long, drawn out stop over such a little issue. The officer here sounds like a complete schizophrenic towards the end, but I think it's because it sounds like his back up arrived.
wheelgunslinger
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Does this kind of stuff make you guys and gals want to vote?
The chick that was in charge should get fire roasted for doing something like this. The other guys that were following orders should get burned too. Nothing makes a government LEO sweat like the thought of losing benefits and privileges that come with the job.
Sacp is right. Probable cause standards should apply equally for Feds. Theoretically they do. Just not on the roadside or in court.
The chick that was in charge should get fire roasted for doing something like this. The other guys that were following orders should get burned too. Nothing makes a government LEO sweat like the thought of losing benefits and privileges that come with the job.
Sacp is right. Probable cause standards should apply equally for Feds. Theoretically they do. Just not on the roadside or in court.
larry24
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I believe you are correct regarding it being legal for her to puchase the gun for me IF I was in fact lawfully able to purchase one for myself.........As I have purchased guns in the past for my 12 year old son............
I always wondered what the question on the Federal Application that ask: ARE YOU PURCHASin THE GONE FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF?
I always wondered what the question on the Federal Application that ask: ARE YOU PURCHASin THE GONE FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF?
larry24
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Im glad to see all the positive feedback and the poll results, even though 3 must be ----------------------------Well I'll be nice,
Anyway I do feel we were violated , harassed, humiliated, emabarrassed, and our reputations could have been damaged had someone from work, etc, seen us.........................It was far from a RUBY RIDGE, but unconstitutional to say the least.............. They put in a new GANDER MOUNTAIN about 15 miles from my house so I have not been to a gun show since.
Anyway I do feel we were violated , harassed, humiliated, emabarrassed, and our reputations could have been damaged had someone from work, etc, seen us.........................It was far from a RUBY RIDGE, but unconstitutional to say the least.............. They put in a new GANDER MOUNTAIN about 15 miles from my house so I have not been to a gun show since.
another okie
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Robert Hairless - you are, sadly, wrong. The straw purchase law makes it a crime to say you are the true purchaser when you are not. It does not matter whether the person who is the true purchaser is legally able to purchase or not. The crime you are committing is actually the lie on the 4473, not the purchase itself.
It is perfectly legal to buy a firearm as a gift for someone, because in that case you are in fact the true purchaser. But if the other person gives you anything in exchange for the gun, it's a straw purchase. 18 U.S.C. section 922.
Now if you knowingly transfer a firearm to a prohibited person, that's another offense.
It is perfectly legal to buy a firearm as a gift for someone, because in that case you are in fact the true purchaser. But if the other person gives you anything in exchange for the gun, it's a straw purchase. 18 U.S.C. section 922.
Now if you knowingly transfer a firearm to a prohibited person, that's another offense.
larry24
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THanks anotherokie...............They answers the questions I had regarding the application question....................
robear
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Larry,
Next time your wife wants to buy a gun at a gun show, tell her you HAVE to buy one also. (filling out separate paperwork)
"Remember what happened last time?"
This way, no chance of suspicion of straw purchase, and you get ANOTHER GUN!
R
Next time your wife wants to buy a gun at a gun show, tell her you HAVE to buy one also. (filling out separate paperwork)
"Remember what happened last time?"
This way, no chance of suspicion of straw purchase, and you get ANOTHER GUN!
R
OhioPaints
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When they separated you and your wife to try to trip you up, your safest answer is "I want an attorney" and "no, you may not search the car unless you have a search warrant".
Yes, it is sexual harassment.
Yes, it is sexual harassment.
Jimmypop97
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I think you should be able to have them charged with something.
If you hold even a criminal you catch in your vehicle or house at gunpoint around here, I think it is an assault charge.
Why should the same not apply. Imagine if one of them had some sort of involuntary muscle-spasm
If you hold even a criminal you catch in your vehicle or house at gunpoint around here, I think it is an assault charge.
Why should the same not apply. Imagine if one of them had some sort of involuntary muscle-spasm
doc2rn
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Similar thing happened to me after the gun and knife show on Dec 15 & 16. I had taken my daughter, and they thought I used her info to purchase a Mossin 44. Only I didn't get out of the building.
Autolycus
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For those who said this is acceptable, why not explain to us why it is acceptable?
ZeSpectre
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A few bits of advice for anyone ever in such a situation.
1) Dial 911 and inform the police that men with guns just pulled you over. If nothing else you have a record of the time/location that you were stopped at. Leave the phone open and running (put it on the dash of the car or something).
2) Provide no resistance and say as little as possible.
3) Get names, badge/id numbers, etc if you can.
Deal with this sort of behavior VERY HARSHLY afterwards when you have some power but be meek and mild during the actual stop.
1) Dial 911 and inform the police that men with guns just pulled you over. If nothing else you have a record of the time/location that you were stopped at. Leave the phone open and running (put it on the dash of the car or something).
2) Provide no resistance and say as little as possible.
3) Get names, badge/id numbers, etc if you can.
Deal with this sort of behavior VERY HARSHLY afterwards when you have some power but be meek and mild during the actual stop.
Valkman
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I can't believe a few have voted that this BS is acceptable behaviour - it is not!
ZeSpectre
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I would freely invite any of the 7 people who voted that this kind of behavior is acceptable to please come back to the thread and try to make me understand your thinking. I promise you that I am looking for intelligent discourse and will NOT resort to flames or childish behavior even if, in the end, we agree to disagree.
If you are concerned as to how others on this board might react I would be more than happy to carry on a PM conversation on the topic.
Sincerely
Ze
If you are concerned as to how others on this board might react I would be more than happy to carry on a PM conversation on the topic.
Sincerely
Ze
wheelgunslinger
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Same here.
I really would like to know how someone could believe this is acceptable.
PM's or on the thread. I'd like to know what the rationale is.
I really would like to know how someone could believe this is acceptable.
PM's or on the thread. I'd like to know what the rationale is.
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