This thread is closed. I am going to quote a few folks not to accuse, but simply to show why we invariably close these "Have you ever shot anyone" type threads. They are really rather predictable.
The original question, for those who forgot...........
has anyone ever actually had to shoot/shoot at a person?
I know theres a lot of caliber debates but I am looking for first hand experience...I dont want to try and glorify any of this or anything, but if anyone would be willing to come forward with first hand experience regarding stopping power of a particular caliber, it would be most appreciative. (IE location of shot, how quickly were they incapacitated, etc)
An admonishment is given.
These questions are considered in bad form By many here and on other boards
The original poster decides to tell others how an internet forum works.......
I know its uncouth to ask that question in person, but on these forums you have the ability and right to read on and not reply.
Nobody is required to even read the thread.
I'll reply myself to that......No, actually some of us do not have the option of reading on and not replying, or the option of ignoring this thread. Some of us are moderators and administrators. We have a responsibility to keep the forum civil.
I was going to let this thread run as long as it remained well mannered. It's a rude question to ask in person, but the anonymity of the internet does give people the ability to politely ignore the question.
Usually these types of threads live a short life here. By letting this thread run, the reason why this type of thread leads a short life is demonstrated.
Getting back to the thread, the original poster's motives will be questioned. Any response of not having a hidden agenda will be disbelieved by some, if not many. Some will even wonder about the original poster's ethics or character.
What type of person asks this question? honestly?
Links are given, and ignored. If they are not ignored, their veracity is argued.
Try "WWW.STOPPINGPOWER.NET"
Next, a member posts an intensely private and life changing experience in an attempt to inform or just as a catharsis. He is not believed. Others want to know vivid details, calibers, ballistics, etc......... the analytical examination becomes uncomfortable for the member, and he ceases posting to the thread. This is taken as evidence of his untruthfulness by his antagonists.
In a similar vein, other members may post falsehoods. Nobody reading can discern truth from fiction.
Then we have personal accusations and recommendations.
Wow, Killermonkey, you are dangerous and shouldn't be allowed to carry a firearm. You need to overcome your anger and control issues.
We have appeals to authority and the dismissal of such appeals. The mudslinging commences.
That may be the dumbest thing I've heard. Do you mean to tell me, that in all the world, there has never been a case where someone was hit in the torso with a .45 ACP bullet and still fought back? I don't believe that for one second. That is a pathetic claim. I don't think Jeff Cooper is very smart.
These result in further tangental arguments.
"Pathetic claim"? You ever hear of someone fighting back after a hit with the .45?
....FWIW,
here is an example of a man who continued to attack a police officer after four COM hits with a .45ACP and one with a .38 special. It took a head shot with a .45ACP to stop George Temple. You can follow the "Perry Stephens" link at the bottom for more information. (See, I fall victim too!
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Irrelevant responses follow.........
My answer is yes, but only if 5-inch/54 and 16-inch/50 naval gunfire counts.
More appeals to authority, and subsequent dismissal.
"Handgun Stopping Power" contains a write-up of someone who took six rounds of .45 hardball in the torso and went on to kill his assailant and then walk to the hospital for treatment.
"Handgun stopping power" refers to the "energy" inparted and has been proved to be unrealiable.
The original question becomes a caliber war. We close those threads as well, by the way, for similar reasons.
In police shootings to date the .45 has a 100% fight stopping record, the 9 dosn't.
Finally, we have responses that come perilously close to personal attacks.
Do you really believe that in the whole world, no one has ever fought back after getting shot in the torso with a .45? Do you really believe that? I wonder about the powers of reasoning of someone who could believe that.
Personal attacks result in bannings at The High Road. That is why we ultimately close threads at The High Road. We close threads to prevent the banning of otherwise good members involved in emotional arguments that they have problems extricating themselves from.
The information requested is out there, both on the internet and in books for those willing to do the research. Of course, we have options other than closing threads. Consider this one a freebie.
