Harley Quinn
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You did good rellascout
This link tells you about the maker (importer) RWS
http://www.rws-usa.com/rws_sport_fmj.php
This link tells you about the maker (importer) RWS
http://www.rws-usa.com/rws_sport_fmj.php
Has the 115gr fallen out of favor?
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It's not that the 115 JHP has fallen out of favor. What has happened is the Ammo has all been improved in all weights. Below I've posted a 147 GDJHP fired from a Glock 26 and a 17L . Even though the barrels are 3.5" and 6.01" ,look at the expanded bullets . Both went through 3 one gallon water jugs and penetrated the same. Both stopped at the front of the 4th jug.
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Harley Quinn
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kmbrman...
That is a very impressive accounting for the 147 IMHO... Be a good one in the 357 SIG...
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That is a very impressive accounting for the 147 IMHO... Be a good one in the 357 SIG...
Regards
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Skylerbone
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I voted yes but that's taking into account the idea of using it as a defensive round.
My personal feeling is that for my use it is ideal. I'm not generally concerned with barrier penetration as a private citizen. I also don't like the idea of family members in other rooms being struck. At the expected range of 15 yds. or less it shouldn't make a huge difference.
My personal feeling is that for my use it is ideal. I'm not generally concerned with barrier penetration as a private citizen. I also don't like the idea of family members in other rooms being struck. At the expected range of 15 yds. or less it shouldn't make a huge difference.
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The Federal 115 JHP, 9BP, has a record of reliability.
Its swifter cousin, the 9BPLE is as reliable in my steel 9X19s. I think they both share the same bullet. Don't know.
Just fooling around in the pasture, and a couple of derelict cars, it seems both are easily deflected.
I don't expect either will fare well against a hardened, slanted windscreen or a door panel with the window down.
Maybe thats a good thing.
If penetration is the objective, the 9X19 Ball has it to spare.
salty
Its swifter cousin, the 9BPLE is as reliable in my steel 9X19s. I think they both share the same bullet. Don't know.
Just fooling around in the pasture, and a couple of derelict cars, it seems both are easily deflected.
I don't expect either will fare well against a hardened, slanted windscreen or a door panel with the window down.
Maybe thats a good thing.
If penetration is the objective, the 9X19 Ball has it to spare.
salty
I assume you mean federal champion ammo. I stopped buying that after I noticed the jacket shredding and shooting out of my guns like shotgun, leaving lead residue behind in the barrels. At Walmart with WWB at 19.97 per 100 and the Fed at 10.47 per 50 I go with WWB.
Harley Quinn
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Ben, What pistol were you using when below happened
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rellascout
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Never had an issue with Champion. I have not shot a ton of it but IIRC by the case markings it is basically the new blazer brass. I used to shoot tons of blaser and never had an issue. I would estimate I have over 10,000 round of 9mm blazer through tons of different 9mms.
In my area WWB is $23.95 while champion is right around $10 IIRC.
It's done it in my Glock 19 and 17, with multiple boxes. It shoots fine, I just hate to have to clean lead out when I'm supposed to be shooting fmj. They're sort of powder puff loads too. I'm not trying to hate on them too much though.
Harley Quinn
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Ben,
I'll be using the Federal's in my G17 slide, mounted on a G22 frame, 5lb trigger and my 17L/17 std, with a 3.5 or so trigger pull... Thought I would shoot them soon, have not shot all this year
I have a G17L I bought in 88, years later I picked up a couple of 17 std slides/uppers on Ebay...Then I bought a couple of 22 conversion kits
Will take them, shoot all of the above, has been some time since I did a day like that, 22 shooting about 500 rounds then the bunch of 9mm...
One pistol at a time then shoot right and left handed, then both at once, in a semi rapid fashion... Hopefully very soon...
Regards
I'll be using the Federal's in my G17 slide, mounted on a G22 frame, 5lb trigger and my 17L/17 std, with a 3.5 or so trigger pull... Thought I would shoot them soon, have not shot all this year
I have a G17L I bought in 88, years later I picked up a couple of 17 std slides/uppers on Ebay...Then I bought a couple of 22 conversion kits
Will take them, shoot all of the above, has been some time since I did a day like that, 22 shooting about 500 rounds then the bunch of 9mm...
One pistol at a time then shoot right and left handed, then both at once, in a semi rapid fashion... Hopefully very soon...
Regards
DenaliPark
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Can you please cite the relevent data that supports your claim?
AKElroy
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DoubleTap 115 +P+ is my primary choice for my 9's. If you believe actual shooting data, it is very hard to beat, trumping heavier choices in one-shot stop percentages.
http://handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0&Weight=All
http://handloads.com/misc/stoppingpower.asp?Caliber=0&Weight=All
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OldCavSoldier
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I go 115's for practice....124's for service. Heavier than that causes more recoil and does not suit *me* very well. Others will differ. I'm just saying what suits me.
DenaliPark
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So you don't have any relevent data? That renders your statement as unsubstantiated, hyperbole, or just hearsay.
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So you don't have any relevent data? That renders your statement as unsubstantiated, hyperbole, or just hearsay.
LOL. When I'm looking at a dead man's wound channel before I prosecute his killer for murder, its not unsubstaniated, or hyperpole, or hearsay. When I go over the cause of death with the medical examiner (forensic pathologist) and then conduct his direct examination when he tesitifies before the jury, its none of the three either.
What I'm telling you is, based on my professional experience investigating and prosecuting more murders than I can count, the 9mm +p+ 115gr loads act just like 357 125gr on the body. I prosecuted a serial armed robber-murderer who shot his victims with a 357, I've seen the damages.
9mm is very load-dependent. Just about any 357/40/45 load performs really well. Because of the vastly different loadings, 9mm can perform like a typical 380 or a typical 357, or anywhere in between.
You can go read a book or a paper or Google your research or whatever. I'm just telling you what I've seen with my own eyes. Regardless of what the gel tests say, those 115gr +p+ loads perform very, very well.
LOL. When I'm looking at a dead man's wound channel before I prosecute his killer for murder, its not unsubstaniated, or hyperpole, or hearsay. When I go over the cause of death with the medical examiner (forensic pathologist) and then conduct his direct examination when he tesitifies before the jury, its none of the three either.
What I'm telling you is, based on my professional experience investigating and prosecuting more murders than I can count, the 9mm +p+ 115gr loads act just like 357 125gr on the body. I prosecuted a serial armed robber-murderer who shot his victims with a 357, I've seen the damages.
9mm is very load-dependent. Just about any 357/40/45 load performs really well. Because of the vastly different loadings, 9mm can perform like a typical 380 or a typical 357, or anywhere in between.
You can go read a book or a paper or Google your research or whatever. I'm just telling you what I've seen with my own eyes. Regardless of what the gel tests say, those 115gr +p+ loads perform very, very well.
Skylerbone
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And the question remains, do YOU think the 115gr has fallen "out of favor", however you define that. I contend it is likely the most oft purchased but for practice. I believe, perhaps errantly, that LE in general has long ago embraced heavier bullets or moved on to the next big thing, 40 S&W.
I think a big factor in people choosing heavy for caliber bullets comes from bench rest shooters who rely on their knockdown power at long distances. I wonder if there is data to support similar performance at handgun velocities.
I think a big factor in people choosing heavy for caliber bullets comes from bench rest shooters who rely on their knockdown power at long distances. I wonder if there is data to support similar performance at handgun velocities.
tomwalshco
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Funny how the bangers and druggers in my neighborhood seem to be doing a pretty good job of it with Walmart cream puff, $11 per 50 stuff.
Also funny how much angst is expended on the latest HP designs and bullet weights while the real killers out there are racking them up with WWB and Hi-Points. Cooke's right on. Sadly Tucson was Walmart WWB, too.
When I read a post with a dude bragging how "deadly" his carry round is, I feel like asking - "Well, how many people have you shot?"
The 115grs shoot to point of aim in my PT92, so thats what it gets fed, but the Kel-tec likes the 147s. If I find a 124gr load that is a happy medium, I might change, but when I can pick up the 115s at Walmart for 40 bucks/100, I find it difficult to change.
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