JImbothefiveth
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No, it's a matter of politics. Most of N.Y. is anti-gun.thought Gillibrand (D-NY), from upstate New York, was pro-gun? Did someone pay her off to convert to anti?
No, it's a matter of politics. Most of N.Y. is anti-gun.thought Gillibrand (D-NY), from upstate New York, was pro-gun? Did someone pay her off to convert to anti?
I still don't understand why IL and WI didn't abstain, as the legislation didn't apply to them.Hmm.... should I really be suprised that both Illinois senators shot this one down?
Northern Indiana is mostly republican. We have been trying to get rid of Lugar for a long time, it's no use. He keeps running for reelection and wins. The dems don't even campaign in this area. Lugar is a moderate/centrist that we are stuck with until he retires. He does do some good in other areas.Republicans, George Voinovich of Ohio and Dick Lugar of Indiana both voted no. If those two would have voted yes it would have hit 60 and passed.
You folks in Ohio and Indiana need to remember this come election time. But I wonder,
would it really have been a great idea to give the federal government a "way in"? Would this not have given them a tool to start restricting at a federal level the right to carry?
I understand the states rights argument also, but why should my Constitutional rights end at the state line?
S 845 is it's own bill. Todays vote was for S1618, another form of the same thing. S1618 was an attempt to attach it to the defense bill. As S845, it is alive and well. I believe S845 is scheduled for floor time in the next week. On the plus side, we know there are enough votes to get S845 through the senate, and if we can pick up 2 more votes it will be veto proof! And we should NEVER vote for an incumbent no matter how they voted.It seems to me that we should vote out as many of the no votes as possible and then reintroduce the bill at the earliest opportunity. Chances are it would pass with just a small change in the make up of senators.
George V has already announced his retirement..Republicans, George Voinovich of Ohio and Dick Lugar of Indiana both voted no. If those two would have voted yes it would have hit 60 and passed.
You folks in Ohio and Indiana need to remember this come election time. But I wonder,
would it really have been a great idea to give the federal government a "way in"? Would this not have given them a tool to start restricting at a federal level the right to carry?
You do remember a little thing called Heller, the only people currently bound by 2A ARE the Federals.
leagleeagle45:"If it any consolation, the fact that 58 Senators voted in favor of this bill should put to rest any fears that Congress will be passing any "common sense gun contol legislation".
(That last bit was intended as sarcasm")