mcb
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I am still waiting for my hammer fired bolt action rifle, preferable with double action capable... that and a good striker fired revolver, single action only...
Have striker fired autos taken over?
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Alllen Bundy
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I live in Murderapolis, Minnesota. I was remodeling the inside of a building 3 blocks form where the 2020 riots started. It starting sounding like a warzone outside from inside the building. I got online to see what was going on and saw the "mostly peaceful" Riots, Looting, Arson, and Murder. I decided that it would be safer to remain inside the building over night than to risk riding my bicycle and encountering the rioters. I armed myself with my deadliest tools and moved to the most defensiable place inside the building. By the time that the riot was over they had destroyed a building 560 feet from the one that I was inside! THAT was then I decided that I needed to carry a pistol. I carry with 56 rounds in magazines and one in the chamber. I've also watched Murderapolis deteriorate over the last 10 yers. Now you can see used needles littering the sidewalks, bicycle pathways, and streets. Rioters or Drug addicts, take your pick. Either are more than a single revolver can handle.
eddiememphis
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How many of those 56 rounds have you had to fire since then?
And, had you had the gun and the 56+1 rounds then, how many would you have fired?
And, and... why don't you move? A talented contractor can find work in much nicer and safer parts of the country. Especially not having to deal with the winter cold.
Alllen Bundy
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Since January of 2022 someone has been shot on 12 of my bicycle routes. In August of 2022 50 feet from where my car was parked, someone was carjacked by two armed men. I arrived lthere less than 5 minutes after it happened and called the police for the victim and waited with him until the police arrived. Less than 1/2 a block away in June 2022 someone fired 35 rounds according the the police, with one person shot and another wounded. I arrived less than 10 minutes after it happened. The witnesses at the scene all claimed tha it was fully automatic gunfire. 6 days later 1,500 feeet away from my apartment I heard between 15 and 20 rounds of fully automatic gunfire. One person shot dead and another shot and wounded.
Most of us will never need to draw our pistols and fire at anyone. I carry what I do because I see the very real potential of needing a lot of ammunition. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
I'm also not going to let a bunch of ne'er do wells drive me from my home. Someone needs to stand up to them.
Striker-fired plastic pistols are guns for people who don’t like guns; people who want a gun for HD or for carry, people who own only one gun, and people who rarely – if ever – go to a gun range, where the gun remains for years untouched on the top shelf of the hall closet.
That doesn’t mean striker-fired plastic pistols can’t be owned and enjoyed by gun enthusiasts who appreciate their attributes, it’s just that people who aren’t gun enthusiasts tend to buy striker-fired plastic pistols because they’re simple and less expensive, as opposed to steel/alloy framed hammer-fired pistols and revolvers – hence the proliferation of striker-fired plastic pistols.
As an aside, there are revolvers with non-exposed hammers ideal for concealed carry, just as reliable as striker-fired plastic pistols – if not more so – for those who understand that in real world self-defense situations five or six rounds are more than adequate to neutralize a threat.
That doesn’t mean striker-fired plastic pistols can’t be owned and enjoyed by gun enthusiasts who appreciate their attributes, it’s just that people who aren’t gun enthusiasts tend to buy striker-fired plastic pistols because they’re simple and less expensive, as opposed to steel/alloy framed hammer-fired pistols and revolvers – hence the proliferation of striker-fired plastic pistols.
As an aside, there are revolvers with non-exposed hammers ideal for concealed carry, just as reliable as striker-fired plastic pistols – if not more so – for those who understand that in real world self-defense situations five or six rounds are more than adequate to neutralize a threat.
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I totally agree with the philosophy, and it would actually end a lot of this silliness. The more you actually know, the more you really do know.
At the very least, have one "good" example of each of the different types and spend some quality time with them, and learn to shoot them. Once you do, you're going to find they are all easy to shoot well with, if youre capable of letting them.
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Other than maybe 22's, my experience has been that centerfire rounds that dont go off on the first strike, rarely do on the second. Its counterproductive to waste time doing anything but a TRB if you get one.
I'm in the hammer fired camp. All my Simi autos expect one have hammers. The one striker fired pistol I have I inherited from my dad. Loaded, my CZ 75bd compact is about the same size and weight as a loaded Glock 19 with a better trigger and the same capacity. No worries about it going bang when needed. As far as revolvers are concerned, iv never felt under armed carrying either my Colt DS or my S&W two inch model 10. A pistol is just a means to facilitate a quick retreat from a bad situation. Not as a tool for a extended firefight. Just my 2 cents.
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One benefit of striker-fired handguns is the simple manual of arms, which can be advantageous in a stressful situation. But it also makes training a noobie easier. I find these folks are nervous because they fear getting hurt and the loud report bothers and distracts them because they've never experienced this activity before. Keeping the discussion on the 4 Rules and the simple operation of the firearm is enough to fill their distracted minds already. They can learn all the other manual of arms once they're more comfortable with the shooting experience and make a more informed decision about which platform works best for them.
I never thought of my bolt guns from thus POV. Very eye-opening...
I never thought of my bolt guns from thus POV. Very eye-opening...
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I see those Stickers on Subaru’s and Prius all the Time in Seattle. Never knew it ment CZ & Glock Coexist together!
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doubleh
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I grew up in Nowhere, USA and moved to Even More So No Where, USA upon becoming an adult. I'm still there and have no intention of leaving. The very few handguns I saw in my early years used an external hammer. Rifles were the tools of clod hoppers and cowboys back then. My dad's youngest brother returned from WW II with a S&W 38 caliber revolver and everyone thought that was really something and very powerful which it at that point in time. I was already in the gun nut stage even if it was only cap and BB guns but his interest in guns helped mine along. He was a cool uncle. I don't even own a striker fired handgun at this time and pay little attention to them but I wouldn't mind having a long slide S&W M&P. My son-in-law has one and it is nice.
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Mec gar makes 18 round flush fit mags for the full size Beretta 92. 15 rounds for the compact.
It is very heavy compared to most polymer guns though, even the "compact".
Kinda hafta define better to have a meaningful discussion. Less expensive? More accurate? Easier to conceal? Easier to carry (weight, holster options, etc.)? Simpler manual of arms? Optimum capacity (more may not be essential for the purpose)? Home defense, carry defense, or both? More accessible (more choices, and more places to acquire)? More reliable? Easier to clean?
Some weighted combination from the above list?
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I don't think striker fired pistols are better.
I do think the striker firing mechanist is probably significantly cheaper to manufacture than making then fitting everything that goes between a trigger and the hammer.
They have their benefits, and their drawbacks
One of the drawbacks being the trigger itself.
Blech.
I do think the striker firing mechanist is probably significantly cheaper to manufacture than making then fitting everything that goes between a trigger and the hammer.
They have their benefits, and their drawbacks
One of the drawbacks being the trigger itself.
Blech.
That's the same argument people have been making for medium frame revolvers for many years. Simple Manuel of arms, fits most hands well, and mild recoil in 38 special.
Terry G
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All my SD guns are hammer fired all metal guns with the exception of a CZ P-09 and a Glock 21. I don't feel any of them are too heavy. A CZ P-01 with a 15 round magazine feels just right.
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If you have guns of reasonable and known quality, I really dont see one being better than another. They all seem to hold up well to use, and usually use a lot harder than most people put on them. You have to work pretty hard at it to wear any of them out.
Factory striker-fired triggers are no better or worse than anything else either. And factory triggers in general, regardless of type, are generally very shootable. Baring there's something mechanically wrong with it, which does happen with everything at some point, theres no need to waste a dime on having trigger work done on any of them.
I can pretty much guarantee you, if someone handed you a gun you constantly complain and swear about and say you cant shoot well with, for the usual myriad of reasons, and then spent the next month putting all your attention on it, and a couple of cases of ammo through it, shooting and dryfiring the snot out of it, you'll be shooting it well at the end of the month, and have a totally different opinion about it. Guaranteed.
Most people really dont shoot the gun they have enough to actually be good with it, let alone things they know nothing about.
Factory striker-fired triggers are no better or worse than anything else either. And factory triggers in general, regardless of type, are generally very shootable. Baring there's something mechanically wrong with it, which does happen with everything at some point, theres no need to waste a dime on having trigger work done on any of them.
I can pretty much guarantee you, if someone handed you a gun you constantly complain and swear about and say you cant shoot well with, for the usual myriad of reasons, and then spent the next month putting all your attention on it, and a couple of cases of ammo through it, shooting and dryfiring the snot out of it, you'll be shooting it well at the end of the month, and have a totally different opinion about it. Guaranteed.
Most people really dont shoot the gun they have enough to actually be good with it, let alone things they know nothing about.
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California's Central Valley is much more conservative than on the other side of the San Andreas Fault -- I've spotted different variations of this sticker on bumpers here several times:
BTW, there's a very funny episode of South Park about smug hybrid drivers moving to San Francisco.
Now back to striker-fired vs. whatever!
bsms
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My normal carry, depending on the day and where I'm going and what I'm wearing: Glock 27, Glock 42, or S&W Model 60 (J-frame). It is the J-frame at least half of the time. Not a lot of bad hombres hanging around the hardware store or the tack & feed store at 9 AM!
The only time I've pulled a gun in self defense there were 8 of them and I had a 6-shot 22 revolver. But no one wanted to be first so I managed to leave the area in one piece. I think the truth is if 8 guys decide to rush you, it won't matter how many rounds you have. If they want you bad enough, they will get you. But I'll feel better if I go to meet St Peter with a "friend" or two...and I'll let St Peter ask them their names.
The only time I've pulled a gun in self defense there were 8 of them and I had a 6-shot 22 revolver. But no one wanted to be first so I managed to leave the area in one piece. I think the truth is if 8 guys decide to rush you, it won't matter how many rounds you have. If they want you bad enough, they will get you. But I'll feel better if I go to meet St Peter with a "friend" or two...and I'll let St Peter ask them their names.
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