Have You Always Been Pro-Gun? If Not, What Changed?

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Many of us grew up with guns. Many of us grew up shooting from an early age. Many of us find guns to be a natural extension of their lives, as common a tool as a hammer and saw.

Some of us here, however either didn't grow up with guns, or spent so many years away from them that they forgot they mattered or eve, in some cases, developed some kind of distaste for guns, and only later woke up to the usefulness or even necessity of firearms.

Today I'm addressing those people who haven't always "been into" guns, or who have a history of disliking, being frightened of, or simply being disinterested in them, and who at length finally decided for themselves that guns are, after all, a good idea.

And, since I brought it up, I suppose it's only fair that I relate my own story.


I was born back East, spent a few years in the Midwest and deep South, and wound up living in northern California (Sierra Nevada foothills) from the time I was eight until after I graduated from high school.

I grew up around guns, not in my own home, but in the community. Most of my friends hunted. We had lunch room arguments about whether the .30-30 was still a good deer cartridge; given that the .30-06 kicked harder -- which had to mean it had more power -- the value of a hunting cartridge being directly proportional to how much it hurt to shoot.

I owned pellet guns on and off from the time I was 12 until I left home. Dad didn't hunt, didn't own a gun, and until a couple of years before he passed (at 91), I didn't have any idea he even had any interest in them. The subject just, somehow, never came up. If I had brought it up, I would have learned that he preferred the 1941 Johnson over the Garand and M1 Carbine. I would have learned that he was familiar with, and had trained with, the 1911 pistol. Somehow, though, that conversation never happened while I was growing up, and in communities where firearms were pretty much taken for granted.

Not long after graduating, and working for a year at various things, I joined the Air Force. It was my way of dodging the draft. I had no desire to go to SE Asia; people I knew had gone and failed to come back. I got lucky and drew a UK/EU assignment. During my time in the USAF, I qualified "expert" with the AR-15 (no, they wouldn't let us shoot the actual M-16 in training). Pretty much all of us who'd had any kind of shooting background at all -- even pellet guns -- did well. I mean, how do you miss a target that size?

Four years went by pretty quickly. When it was done, I signed up for a volunteer gig and spent ten years doing that, mostly in EU.

When I returned, I had cross-trained myself into a geek career, and was more interested in finding a wife and settling down than pretty much anything else. Guns? Yeah, I knew what they were, but I had already done my bit, and guns were now somebody else's job. They held no real importance for me. Oh, sure, it would be nice to go target shooting, but I had more important things on which to spend my money.

And so, the next twenty-odd years went by, and my occasional encounters with "gun people" were limited to a couple of hunters (who invited me out, but I didn't go), a dentist who carried one for self protection (after his wife, also a dentist, was murdered one night after work), and a couple of mostly normal guys who had more enthusiasm for their guns than I felt was appropriate. I mean really, man, we have cops for that.

I was fifty-three years old when we finally moved our family into an area similar to the one in which I grew up -- Sierra foothills again, only on the other side of the mountain. Once again I found myself in an "outdoorsy" community, where guns were commonplace, hunting was routine, and shooting sports were well supported.

My wife bought me a Ruger 10/22 carbine for Father's Day the next year, and I started to learn to shoot again. I didn't have a lot of free time, and certainly not a lot of free cash -- ammo don't grow on trees, y'know -- but I got out now and then to practice.

And then came the eye opener.

A large "spontaneous" march, hundreds of angry "youths" bearing a huge national flag -- not ours -- chanting slogans in a language I don't speak, right past our front door. And the police? Elsewhere. And, I was to later learn, actually instructed to be elsewhere.

All the little hairs on my neck and arms stood and saluted. Visions of 1992 in LA. Korean shopkeepers defending what little they had with whatever they kept in the back room or under their counters. And the police? Elsewhere. Instructed to be elsewhere. Those guys were on their own.

I was on my own. And I was totally not equipped to deal with anything like that or, as it happened, with any of the other things that "happen" to people.

Over the next few months I did a whole lot of research. I found, as so many have, the on-line gun communities. There was a place called The Firing Line, and that led me to LawDog (which see), and to Kathy Jackson (pax), and so to The High Road. I stayed up reading until the early hours. I absorbed history, as it had never been taught to me in school. I actually took the time to familiarize myself with the Constitution and BoR . . . how had I missed all that in school?

It was like I'd been in some kind of black-out zone for decades. What the hell? How do they not teach people that the defense of their persons and families is their own job? How do they not teach people that the police do NOT have a duty to protect them? I mean, hey, "protect and serve," right? It's printed on every cop car out there, and yet it turns out that's not actually a contract? Holy crap.

And then came the histories of disarmed nations and the insane levels of carnage that ensued therefrom. And then came the statistics. Oh, my, everybody with an agenda seemed to have a stack of stats supporting their argument. So I had to dig through those to figure out who was lying.

Hell, I'd always taken Brady at face value. What? They lied? OMG!

And then I learned about people like Suzanna Gratia-Hupp, learned about gun-free zones, learned about Chicago, New York, and DC. I became acquainted with the techniques used by politicians to stampede populations into accepting gun bans. England. Australia. Australia?? Holy crap. And years later it turns out that the destruction of all those guns was worse than pointless, and tens of thousands of people who now regret ever allowing it to happen can't get it reversed. Canada, and the hugely expensive and utterly ineffective gun registry they implemented there.

And eventually, in late 2006, I signed up at a couple of the gun boards myself.

I still don't get a lot of time to shoot or a lot of spare cash for ammo, but in the last few years I've taken the trouble to introduce all my (now grown) kids to shooting. My son is a better pistol shot than I am, my youngest daughter is better with a carbine.

Among my lifetime regrets is that I simply accepted what came to me from government and through the media as correct. Also that I never found the intellectual curiosity to question what I was hearing, or to study current events any deeper than "film at eleven."

Today, my wife and I are a research team. That's a hell of a rabbit hole, and unless you're prepared to lose a lot of sleep, you don't want to know how much you've been lied to, by all the people you're supposed to trust.

I remember finally "getting" that the Second Amendment wasn't about "legitimate hunting purposes" or even about self defense. I remember finally grasping that almost everything I knew about the Founders was heavily redacted.

But you know what's good about ignorance?

It can be fixed.

Provided you get to the books before they've been burned.

 
I was always into guns, but when I was growing up, I understood them to be used by cops, soldiers, criminals, and ex-spies. It was an eye-opener when my friend was working at Albertson's and told me they had a customer walk in with a gun on his hip, and he was told to calm down and not do anything. I'd always thought about getting a gun for myself, but never about carrying it.

When I was getting close to turning 21, I did less research on the types of guns (mostly looking at military weapons), and started learning more on what it takes to get one legally and carry one in my state. That's when I realized it was a fairly normal thing for a normal person to do.
 
you wrote a book. i'll have to get back to you when i get time to read it...
 
My travels are in my sig on the issue. Wrote it for the NTI folks.
 
Never been anti, but I had a few years of apathy. I was way into them as a teenager, then I started dealing with grownup stuff...then I got back into it almost a decade later.
 
I grew up with strong anti's. my grandfather was the only one I knew who had firearms. I moved out when I was 18 and started collecting guns. only if I parents knew how much fun you can have blasting paper or clays flying in the sky.
 
I probably was essentially anti, when I started to think about the world and crime, etc. (probably around teenage years) but that opinion changed (maybe in my 20s) when I started learning (on my own) about world history and politics. And not the sugar-coated versions of history, or the reality TV show political dramas we are fed (left/right dichotomy, etc.).
 
I grew up in a rather "gun neutral" home. My Dad had a few guns but he wasn't a hunter or target shooter, so he never took them out to shoot and I'm not really sure where some of them even came from. When he passed and my brothers and I went through his stuff, he had 2 rifles, 1 shotgun and 2 handguns. THe only ammo he had was a (small) handful or old, corroded cartriges for the two handguns.

On the other hand, I got a BB gun for christmas present when I was still fairly young (8-10?), was exposed to rimfires during summer camp with the Boy Scouts, and when I was around 18 I bought a muzzle loader kit gun and put it together in the basement, with no flack from either of my parents. I was always at least a little interested in firarms. I used to read the hunting and shooting magazines at the local library, and also a few books on the subject and think it all sounded really interesting and fun but I didn't know anyone who hunted or shot to bring me into the the "fold". In the end, I was actually fairly old (mid-30's) when I finally got into firearms seriously and bought my first centerfire pistol.
 
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In my case (66 years old now) I started with my grandfather who was with the Miami Sheriffs department for decades and even acting chef for two years. Now I fired my first gun my grandfather's service revolver 38 spl stub nose at 8 and got my first gun at 10 a Remington 22LR bolt action single shot. I got the first CCW license issued when they became a requirement in Florida and don't remember the year, my grandfather handed it to me when I turned 21. I carried a beretta 92 from 70 to 84 working as a courier and body guard for private corporations and various government agencies. At that point my kids where getting older (had 4) and took them shooting. When they got into their teens I got rid of my guns as 1 of them just scared me around guns as he wouldn't learn.

A few years ago my wife bought me a 9mm for Christmas and it started it again for me and for her first time messing with them. We have lived in 4 states since my kids have grown with kids of their own and some of them also with kids. I know own a modest selection of revolvers, shotguns, rifles numbering 10 guns in 6 calibers.

In closing I went 30 years without a gun of any kind but found in my travels in 94 countries that guns can be got anywhere if one has a need for it regardless of the laws in that country. But back to the question I left for 30 years as when my kids where in their teens 1 was pretty wild and the few years that lasted I didn't give much thought to getting another until my wife got me one as a gift.
 
Been a hunter since age 16; (Mumbles an un-inteligeable number) years in all. Wasn't always as strong an RKBA person as I am now, but seeing what some states/cities restrict that, I am "all-in" now.
 
My Son

I had an opportunity to speak with my son recently.

He's not a particularly political animal (reminds me of myself at that age), but owns a pistol (which I gave him) and works in the geek world doing stuff that's related to, but not the same as, what I do.

I'm all kinds of proud of him.

He shoots better with his down-market pistol than I do with my up-market model, and I'm completely okay with that.

He recently interviewed with an outfit in Silicon Valley, and called me to discuss the possible ramifications of taking the job.

I mentioned, "by the way, check out the local gun laws, and see if you'll be able to take your pistol."

He's still pretty apolitical, but that got under his skin. He decided that if they were going to move him to an area where gun ownership is a PIA, he's gonna hit them for substantially more money.

It now appears he's decided to stay in the gun-friendly state where he now lives.

Last month, he was simply a gun owner.

This month, he's a gun owner who cares a little more.

Being confronted with the possibility of losing something you've always taken for granted evidently makes you think about its value.

 
I grew up with BB guns and .22's, but became anti-gun during my college years. I changed my tune as I got older and learned more about the world. Criminal law in first year law school was a real eye opener. And the influx of surplus arms in the late 90's really got me hooked.
 
Growing up I was extremely Anti-Gun (well in a sense I always thought they were cool as hell Commando is one of my favorite movies). I think that came from growing up in Philadelphia (a city I still love) and my only interaction with them was negative (crime), besides movies. However, I always wanted to try and use them, it was an internal counterbalance, but a part of it was also Republicans liked guns, Dems didn't well urban ones, I had little knowledge of rural PA dems or people like John Tester.

When I finally had a chance to try them (at age 28 a year ago) it changed all that. I also learned about how they worked, the requirements to own them, etc, it all changed. I had previously been in NJ for 3 years at law school and then 1 year in Brooklyn and well lets say even going to a range was damn near impossible.

Moving to PA and now having a half a dozen gun shops/ranges within 30 minutes of me made things a lot easier, including some kind people helping me out. I also stopped viewing guns as something that had to be left/right (even if it's portrayed that way or embraced by some), so it's not incompatible with my overall views. Mostly it's just a lot of damn fun!
 
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2 events close together....one watched on TV and the other lived through. Rodney King riots and Hurricane Andrew.
 
Nope

There wasn't much too much to be pro 2A about for most people until the AWB got our attention.

1968's GCA was too early for me to know about and it wasn't until the couple of years before 2004 and the AWB came along that got most of us energized to fight the growing Anti movement.
 
It was a learning curve

I was born in NYC and as such had NO exposure to real guns [ we shot BB guns in the corner lot ].

I was anti war [ yea,I grew up later ] in the 1960's and as such saw guns as the problem,cant we all just sing kumbia and join the U.N.

Ok, then I saw that without laws and those to enforce them that we would have anarchy,by that time I still lived in NYC but owned a few shotguns as well as a few rifles.

I left NYC to move to Western NY state and became a bow hunter then a gun hunter.

I became an LEO [ after being an armored courier-armed ] and then was told I am a 'gun nut'.

It was a long trip and I too read the words about why we should own guns [ 2nd amendment, NOT about hunting ] and that was enlightening to say the least.

I am a life member of the NRA and do talk shows and web shows about TRTKABA as often as I can.

Yes I was once upon a time,anti gun.

Then I grew up and saw reality.

My brother is a liberal [ yes I said it ] and yet he owns a few guns [ given to him by me ] upstate and a CCW that he cannot carry in the city [ where he works ].

Even he sees that he 'might' have a use for a "black rifle".
 
I was very "pro gun" as a youngster who loved shooting and the mechanics of guns and accuracy.

But as time passed and I understood the laws and issues surrounding the RKBA I became much, much MORE so.
 
my history/take on it

I grew up always being interested in guns. It was just something that I took to naturally. My dad is both a big car guy and gun guy, and while my older brother took to cars like water, I took to guns. My dad being a hunter, and former district attorney, we had them around the house (although always locked up in a safe to which my parents knew the combination). My dad took me shooting several times when I was a kid and I got hooked. Being about 6 years old and drilling a milk jug with a 1911 from 20 yards away I knew I had found something I both really liked and was naturally good at. I quickly became a military and gun nerd at a young age, learning everything I could about specifications of guns, tanks, jets, and learning tactics.

By the time I was in middle school my parents knew it wasn't just a phase so they started taking me to a shooting range run by the county sheriffs. They put me though a basic safety class and would take me regularly to practice handgun shooting skills if I was done with my homework. Needless to say this was a point of some jealousy to my friends. A good friend of mine (who is now in the special forces) and I would take our airsoft guns and get camouflaged up and go creep through the woods with walkie talkies trying to hunt coyotes at night, or just seeing how close to other people we could sneak while remaining undetected (and we never got caught).

I went to a weird art high school, which was a great place for my learning style but was a place that I couldn't agree with politically. It was no secret that I liked guns (I was 15 coming to school wearing H&K and Sig t-shirts) and people we suspicious of me. I remember thinking "this is wrong, I haven't done anything... I don't want to hurt someone, I just like this sport". People were just unfamiliar with guns and had a very closed mind on the subject in spite of my attempts to seem reasonable.

I bought my first gun when I was 20 (I know, late start) and over the course of the years (I'm almost 26 now) I've collected a number of handguns and long guns. I have my CHL for the state of Oregon, where I live, and am considering getting the tax stamp to get some of the really fun stuff.

So in answer to your question I've always loved this stuff. My wife has not, she was uncomfortable when she first learned I had guns, and over the years I've helped her get familiar with them to the point that she now likes them (and she's super liberal, but agrees that this is an integral part of our country and culture). A big portion of winning her over was showing (not just telling) her that I am, in fact, VERY conscious of safety and that I want her to be able to safely operate, load, and unload any gun I buy. I always show her how it works, because if it's going to be in the house I want her to be able to be safe. Her parents are uncomfortable about this stuff still, and I'm working on showing them that I'm not the popular misconception of a gun owner.

Few things make me as angry as someone being stupid with a gun, there's no room for error with these things and while they can be great fun and wonderful tools, in the wrong hands the results can get bad quickly. I have been robbed at gunpoint, had to use a gun in my own defense, and I have almost been shot by several people who just didn't know what they were doing, and while none of that scared me away from guns (nothing will) it did make me think twice about who I bring. Now if anyone new is coming to shoot with us, before anything comes out or gets loaded we do a VERY detailed safety talk. I always like teaching people new stuff about guns and bringing them to experience something which is a big part of my life, but safety has to come first and foremost.

I don't want to get into it here, but I'll never join the NRA. I have my own personal reasons for this and don't want to get into the debate here. In spite of this, I do what I can with regards to activism and protecting the 2nd amendment. It's up to us to protect this stuff, that's why it was written, and I believe every American has not only the right but the responsibility to arm themselves and act as the last line of defense for this country we all love.
 
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The first "gun" I had was a bb gun that my mother bought to shoot dakrats in our yard. I was 12 at the time and had a lot of fun with that. My brother and I would go to a friends house that was a few miles out of town and shoot stuff. He had a .22 though, so I slowly began to desire a real gun. I would shoot his .22 sometimes (even though my parents instructed me not to), and a few times I went to another friends house who invited me over to shoot his 20 gauge. At age 14 I wanted a gun of my own, so my parents told me I had to attend a hunter safety class, which I did, and I bought a Winchester 1200 12 gauge as my first gun. Ever since then the number of guns in the house has gone up and up. My brother bought a gun of his own not long after I did, then my father bought some guns. When I asked my parents why they never had guns, they just said they had no need for one.
 
The first time somebody I knew posted a picture of their new AR15 my response was basically "Why the____do you need that?!"

Then reasonable people presented me with intelligent and articulate points and I realized some things.

There was also an incident while I was working in a fast food restaurant that made me realize how easily you can be totally in your own.
 
I started shooting in Boy Scouts and Explorer Scouting programs.

On graduation from high school I joined the Marine Corps. Then Viet-Nam that’s when things changed. I lost my enthusiasm after that for firearms and hunting for along time. To the point that I decided law enforcement was not a career path I wanted to pursue but it had been a career I had always wanted prior to my military service.

Life went on until a serial killer struck close to home. That’s when I opened my old service foot locker and pulled out a 1911-A1 that had not seen the light of day for a long-long time. In addition at the time I acquired S&W M15 38Spec also.

After wards I got involved with the DCM for across the course rifle shooting. I’ve been a NRA Life member for several decades now.

As for big game hunting its something I did but not every year and in recent years not at all.

I did instruct my children in the handling of firearms and shooting. When the grandchildren reach the appropriate age I’ll also instruct them also.
 
I've always been 'pro-gun', but I couldn't always articulate why.

Even in my most wayward days, I never really considered an anti position. I was in college then. This was in the days of Pearl, Mississippi, Columbine, etc. There were actually quite a few 'school shootings' back between 1995 and 2000, but I know that I never once reacted with acceptance of any anti position or agreement with any of their arguments.

I wasn't a gun-nut/gunny though. I can't remember how I specifically felt about guns, the 2nd Amendment, etc. back then. I just know that I never once thought there was logic in any anti position.
 
ArfinGreebly, I really enjoyed reading your story.

I was always into guns. My parents were both neutral, at best. I saved my allowance and mowed lawns for months and when I was 12 convinced my parents to come with me to buy a 10/22.

That was it for awhile. I went with my dad to the range a few times but he was pretty busy with work and not being super into them himself, it was difficult to make it out there. I turned 18 and inherited my own rifle and went off to college. I went a bunch of times to the range by myself and slowly got more and more into it. Then I turned 21 and bought a pistol. Not because I anticipated carrying or using it for SD, but because I could. And it seemed like another fun thing to take to the range.

As it turned out, my parents were in the "rifles and shotguns are okay but handguns are EVIL" camp. It took some convincing but finally I got them to the range and they both enjoyed shooting the handgun, and now they have a few of their own. They understand the value of them at least, although they rarely go to the range unless they are tagging along with me. I think what did it, was realizing that they aren't evil instruments of death. They are tools that take a person to manipulate and lots of practice to even become proficient. And they are fun!

So I am proud to say I at least converted 2 :)
 
Rifles and shotguns were always there when I was growing up. My dad is an avid hunter. I went hunting a few times with him, but I hate the cold. We shot clays every once in a while. He always taught me that guns were nothing more than tools. Whooped my butt proper one time I forgot to check to see if the shotgun was unloaded.

But, I was never "into" guns until recently. Being from Canada, pistols aren't very common. I live in the US, now, a friend took me shooting with his Glock, and I was hooked. Rifles and shotguns were always fun to shoot, but there's just something about pistols that lights my fire, I guess.

I was obsessed, and did research. I never realized the struggle gun owners had trying to protect their rights, I didn't know anyone was trying to take 'em away. But I'm proud to say that I joined the fight.
 
Also, my mother was never an anti, but didn't really want anything to do with guns. She started dating a guy who is really into guns, and she's got her CPL, now, as well, and is also a "certified gun nut". She actually paid for my CPL class for my 21st birthday present.
 
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