Have you ever needed your carry gun?

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Kimberkid, in short about all I can say is I am of the less than 1% of individuals, in that, I've survived multiple deadly encounters with some of the most deadly criminals on the planet. I would have to spend hours writting to cover all the incidents. Mind you, I am not in law enforcement, I'm not involved in criminal activity, all have either been random incidents, or the result of me doing the right thing by testifying as a witness against a suspected criminal in which I witnessed the crime.

I would have to actually sit down and recall the number of times I've been kidnapped, robbed, assaulted, and even two attempts to blow me up in my car by the same two individuals. I'll keep it short and post just a few details of the most deadly one's.

I once had a .357 mag. shoved in my mouth and was made to beg for my life. When I did so, he said I didn't sound sincere, I better shed some tears or he would blow my brains out. Then as quick as it started, he suddenly said I could go. I was armed, but he got the jump on me and caught me totally by surprise.

My Sister and I were kidnapped at knife point in the mid 1970's from a bus stop. I had absolutely no other way of saving our lives but to shoot.

In another encounter, and at the age of 12 yrs. old, I was kidnapped by a sicko while riding my bike to my favorite rabbit hunting spot in the very early hours of the morning. I was armed with a 22 cal. pistol. In that incident I had no choice but to shoot. If not for my love of hunting and the great outdoors, I most definitely would have been sexually assaulted and very likely killed.

My wife and I were kidnapped in an apartment complex in the early evening hours as we exited our car, just after dark. We were nabbed at gun point by two men and held captive for 2 or 3 hours before escaping from a locked closet and retrieving my gun laying on a table in the room. They wanted money, but all I had was a credit card and a measly few bucks in my pocket. So they were trying to figure a way of getting me to the bank in the morning to pull the money off my card without being seen on camera. All I could get from the ATM back in those days (1980's) was about $200, which wasn't enough for them. So one of them suggested holding my wife hostage until the other came back from the bank with me, and $10,000.

I've been kidnapped at my place of employment at least 4 times, but more like 7 or 8 times. I was unarmed and at the mercy of the bad guys in all those incidents.

My wife was held at gun point during an armed robbery once. The robber fired two shots at her, he missed, but she pretended to be dead, which likely saved her life.

Many more deadly encounters to cover, but like I said, it would take hours and hours to detail each incident.

The laws in certain states prevented me from reporting many of these incidents for fear of being prosecuted due to bad self defense laws. So most were not ever brought to the attention of LE, though some were. This is the primary reason why I now live, and have been living in Arizona for most of the last 40+ years. And also why I'm literally never without a sidearm, it's either on my person, or under my pillow. I have missed out on numerous family trips over the last 4 decades, simply because I won't travel too, or through states that restrict my ability to lawfully defend myself, or restrict my ability to carry a loaded firearm.

Today I had to mail a package, which meant I couldn't legally carry my sidearm into the post office. I just love winter, cause it allows me to wear a long heavy concealing coat, not that I was wearing, just saying...

Out of respect for my circumstances, I ask that those who reply please refrain from criticizing me, such as, I was asking for it by not maintaining a state of awareness, or how could you not see that coming. As well, please refrain from casting doubt upon my claims, it only makes me feel victimized all over again. I know that in some of these incidents I made mistakes, and that I left myself wide open for the attack. That said, I was once robbed 3 times by the same 3 men, and each robbery was committed one week apart. But in my defense, and even after having been victimized numerous times, the bad guy almost always has a preemptive and a well premeditated plan of attack.And when it concerns abductions or sexually motivated crimes, the perpetrator is often on the intelligent side. Armed robbers and the like are usually very stupid, they often fail to think things through before hand, often committing the crime without much planning.

" When seconds count, the police are minutes away "


GS
 
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Good thread. It seems like a lot of bad stuff happens early morning. Interesting.
 
I've never thought about calculating how many attacks occurred in the morning v.s. night, but that's an interesting statistical direction I may indulge. But just off the top of my head, it seems that the bulk of them were perpetrated between late afternoon and midnight, with a few in the early morning or late morning hours.

I really wish I would have seen this thread earlier in the day, rather than just before bed time, cause now I'm gonna have nightmares all night long.

GS
 
Once, no shots. Didn't even draw, I just grabbed the grip and the situation quickly diffused.
 
Warp,
Yes. Exactly. He was approx 100 yds away and approaching and I wanted to end the poor animal's suffering before whoever was coming actually arrived.
 
In the old days (1980's), merely presenting a gun was usually enough. Had that happen a couple of times back then. Both times, good awareness of my surroundings provided enough time to be able to afford a warning that was heeded, AND I held the only gun at the party. Today might be decidedly different.

Being older and less intimidating, and faced with criminals with a much different mindset today, I doubt that I will have as much warning and expect that today's criminal is more likely to be more violent and better armed. This dramatically increases the likelihood of a shooting - still not likely, but more likely than it used to be.
 
In the old days (1980's), merely presenting a gun was usually enough. Had that happen a couple of times back then. Both times, good awareness of my surroundings provided enough time to be able to afford a warning that was heeded, AND I held the only gun at the party. Today might be decidedly different.

Being older and less intimidating, and faced with criminals with a much different mindset today, I doubt that I will have as much warning and expect that today's criminal is more likely to be more violent and better armed. This dramatically increases the likelihood of a shooting - still not likely, but more likely than it used to be.

You do realize that violent crime has dropped dramatically since the 80's I hope
 
You do realize that violent crime has dropped dramatically since the 80's I hope
That doesn't refute his point in any way. Horrific violence can and does have a way of happening to people, and very quickly. You cannot afford to slack in a high-risk environment just because a bureau-administered crime statistic has trended lower.
 
That doesn't refute his point in any way. Horrific violence can and does have a way of happening to people, and very quickly. You cannot afford to slack in a high-risk environment just because a bureau-administered crime statistic has trended lower.

If there is less violent crime, there is less violent crime.

Thanks to the media (mostly), a lot of people seem to think there is more violence or violent crime than there was "back in the day". In point of fact the opposite is true.

The number of guns owned by private citizens has been going up and up, and shall issue carry laws have been sweeping the nation, meanwhile violent crime has been goin down and down.


Yep - about half what they were. Unfortunately, I run a lot slower than I used to.

So do I.

If only I had the physical and recovery abilities now that I did in high school. My God. I could rule the world.
 
I appear to be a much easier target at 55 than I did at 20. Given the bad knee and worse shoulder, gray hair, increased personal wealth, and families of some of my students, I'm in a different demographic than I used to be. I've also come to realize I'm not 10 feet tall and bulletproof (any more!).
 
I appear to be a much easier target at 55 than I did at 20. Given the bad knee and worse shoulder, gray hair, increased personal wealth, and families of some of my students, I'm in a different demographic than I used to be. I've also come to realize I'm not 10 feet tall and bulletproof (any more!).

But you live in a very cool location. :cool:

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Howdy im new here and just reading through the threads and I came across this. I'll share my story in 2002 I was a sheriffs Deputy in eastern oklahoma a part of the country full of outlaws 3 years prior I made an arrest that sent a man to prison I geuss he wanted revenge and had a few years to mastermind his plan to kill me. I worked the graveyard shift so I got off at 7am, I was on my way home in the country about 18 miles out of town when I started noticing a vehicle that seemed to be following me so I made a few wrong turns just to see, sure enough They were following me so I prepared myself to get out of my truck and open my gate when I did the passenger in the car opened fire, I returned fire 4 shots from my XD-9 with 124gn hydrashocks I was able to get 4 shots off 1 of them hitting the man under his chin severing his spine.he died. I was also hit twice once in the hip and once in the mid torso. He was shooting a highpoint 9mm carbine with ball ammo both slugs were recoverd from inside my vehicles interior. I don't work anymore but im never far from my gun. Long story short if he had been shooting Hydrashocks like I was I probably would have been killed.. now I reload alot of my own ammo and for defensive ammo I reload using 124gn Barnes bullets.. Bottom line carry a tried and true bullet in your carry gun, target ammo will not stop a 250lb man unless its a head shot or you are lucky those few seconds count. Believe this...
 
Well, I can believe the posters who speak to needing to use their carry guns when encountering aggressive dogs, wounded or injured animals needing to be put down or the occasional assaultive panhandler or road-rager ...I certainly won't criticize Mr. Gamestalker (post #76),
I would have to actually sit down and recall the number of times I've been kidnapped, robbed, assaulted, and even two attempts to blow me up in my car by the same two individuals.
but seriously, I'm pretty sure most folks involved in lethal threat encounters don't need to "sit down to recall" the number of times their lives have been threatened (perhaps moving to a better part of town would help?)
 
Reloading your self-defense ammo is not best practice based on the training I have had. Two reasons:
1. Ballistics will be unique to the reload making a forensic investigation problematic
2. A prosecutor could exploit this in court, using it against you in some way

Glad you survived your encounter.
...now I reload alot of my own ammo and for defensive ammo I reload using 124gn Barnes bullets.. Bottom line carry a tried and true bullet in your carry gun, target ammo will not stop a 250lb man unless its a head shot or you are lucky those few seconds count.
 
I was armed with a Glock17 (one of the first into the country, given to me by Gaston Glock personally in honor of my former black-ops experiences) and a Rem870P 14" bbl folder loaded with 000 magnums.On this particular fateful day my team was assigned to patrol Sector Zebra-1, the mall. It was an uneventful day, until the unthinkable happened…It was about 8:45PM, and the mall was closing and nearly empty. Me and my ’shadow’ were sweeping quadrant 069E, the mall arcade, a known hotspot for Asian Gangs and assorted thugs. The arcade was located at the far east end of the mall, next to the movie theater and the orange julius.I smelled trouble, and couldn’t spot any movement from the arcade, which was unusual due to the presence of a new Mortal Compact arcade game. Those Asians Gangs love Mortal Combat.I went to “condition red,” and ...

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Gamestalker, are you serious?
 
Gamestalker - That seems like a very unusually high occurance of encounters (of all shapes and sizes).

Did you live in a particularly rough area or are you at all involved with the drug scene? It just seems odd that one person has been in so many life threatening situations.
 
The one time in my life, in 1963, I really needed it I did not have one and that is why I carry now for over 50 years. I was 18 working part time in a gas station in Huntington NY while going to college, the graveyard shift 12-8. Guy comes in says he wanted the money, had a knife, saw an opportunity to take a swing at him with a great right cross to the jaw, as I rotated my body with the punch he stabbed me on the right side, he was about knocked out by the punch and fell backwards through a 6 X 8 plate glass window that came crashing down around and through him. Cut him up real good, spent a few weeks in the hospital before they took him to jail. I required stitches and had to have the wound cleaned out and a drain put in for about a week lucky for me the knife didn't hit anything vital, hurt like hell, next time I'll shoot! He got a bunch of years in the pen. for the attempt, it wasn't his first conviction. I have carried ever since for the first 3 years in NY illegally but no one other than friends knew, when I was 21 got a permit have had a gun on me ever since. living in SW VA and everyone one I know carries a firearm, both male and female. Here in the country 911 is just dial a prayer
 
Practise with your carry so that you can react as needed

Hi All, Was reading the thread and wasn’t going to contribute but then decided that I would. I felt that the situation is one that others might be faced with some time.
I have had a CCW permit since the early 70s and carried without incident until 1985, My wife hated the fact that I carried and was always making snide remarks. After the events below she would actually check and make sure I was carrying my little friend. From that day on she didn’t want me being out late at night without it!

May of 1985 I had to go drive to my companies headquarters and that meant a late night drive back. I had drunk several cups of coffee and found myself needing to visit a bathroom. About 11PM I pulled off the interstate into a rest stop. It was in the middle of nowhere and was a restroom stop only, no concessions very deserted. As I entered the restroom three truckers were leaving and when I got inside, there was just one person and he bent down to tie his shoelace.
I went to the urinal and took care of my business and when I turned around the guy stood up and asked if I had change for a $20. The hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I had the strong feeling that something was wrong. I stayed exactly where I was and answered that ”I don’t carry cash!”Tthen he asked if I had change for a $10. I repeated the response and still stood where I was. He was about 8 feet away and I knew for sure this was not a good situation. Then he said “I want money” and pulled a knife from somewhere. I immediately pulled my little friend from my shoulder holster and he heard it being cocked as I drew it, The next thing he knew, was that he was looking down the wrong end of a .357. it must have looked massive from his view! He screamed MF and ran for the door. I stood there with my heart pounding so hard from fear and adrenaline. I could hardly breathe. I finally got myself calmed down and realized I still had to get out of there and in my car. I had a car phone back in those days. Finally I plucked up courage to open the door and looked around. Not seeing anyone I ran like a madman until I got to my car. I got out of that rest stop in seconds, tires squealing!
After I got about half mile I pulled over and got the police on the phone. Told them what had happened. They asked for the mile marker and within minutes there was a Sheriff’s deputy and a state police car. Finally there were four cars there. We went over again what had transpired and they all took down all the details, description etc. I said I was worried that he would pull the same stunt on someone else. They all chuckled and said they doubted it!!! I had probably scared the heck out of him.
Several observations. Should I have pulled earlier, No I don’t think so. Mentally I had drawn a line on the floor as to how close he was going to get! Luckily he never crossed that point otherwise the outcome would have been a lot different.
After all the police arrived and all the details were given them, Not one officer asked to see my CCW. In reflection that was a big surprise.
In closing I should also state that I shoot at least twice a week and am totally comfortable with the responsibility that comes with carrying a firearm. I look back and realize that all those hours were well spent at the range. The actions when needed, were automatic reflexes and that 357 was out of its holster in milliseconds and pointed right between his eyes.
I am sure some will argue that I should have pulled sooner and maybe even fired. In reflection I would not change a thing that I did that night.
I guess in closing, a couple more points, if you are going to carry, make sure you shoot enough to be totally comfortable with your firearm and also recognize the fact you may have to use it one day, and the second is knowing the right time to escalate a situation or when to back off.
Anyway, I hope this helps someone else along the way
Roger
 
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^Great recounting! And cool that Indiana has had carry since about 1935. You guys had the lead. Love the Hoosier State, especially Derby's Landing, on the Ohio River.

Huck Finn would be right at home there. :)

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