Have you guys seen CCI's new jacketed 22LR? Uppercut 22 Long Rifle 32 Grain

[Jim Watson]

When I see Uppercut (and Punch) readily available, I will put some over my Garmin, along with Minimag and Velocitor. I have a S&W Compact 3.6" for representative Mean Street performance.

 

[230RN]

They are advertised at 950 fps from a 4-inch or shorter barrel. Wonder what that would be from a 16 or even 20 inch barrel?

There's a limiting factor there. I recall that .22's (probably 40gr standard) start losing velocity in barrels over 18." Reckoning as they do for big shipboard naval rifles, as length ÷ diameter, that would be about 80 "caliber." A long ride for the pressure to keep giving increased velocity, but with that quoted velocity out of a shortie barrel, it might get you a boost out of a long barrel. But it makes me wonder about the mechanical parts in a blowback semiauto.

And I wonder about barrel wear and fouling. It used to be said (EEK!) that you didn't ever have to clean .22RF barrels unless they got wet or a bullet got stuck. A little bit of powder fouling tends to enhance consistency. After all, that's why they used to allow four or five fouling rounds in high power matches before record shots.

Not that you'd be shooting a lot of these jacketed rounds, but I'm the type who thinks about those things.

Not to be a smartbutt, but I agree with some of the above posts: that the round was developed in the advertising department, not the engineering department. Full-jacketed .22s were made for the military (as being non-expanding) for survival/hunting for a while, but once again, they weren't meant to be fired on a routine basis.

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Terry, 230RN

 

[doubleh]

But I don’t think a mini mag does anything a Federal value pack wouldn't do either.

Except ignite more regularly and hit closer to point of aim in my experience.

 

[WooD]

I guess I am at the wrong forum for this one. Rimfirecenteral is probably a better audience for this one. If I see a box of these at the local Academy I will definitely be picking up a box or two and try them out on some limb-rats and up-armored-opossum. I am a sucker for "premium" 22LR. Killed a lot of ground hogs with Stingers and a few with Velocitors before I moved to the south.

I've killed many "up-armored opossum" armadillos with CCI SV and subsonic.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I think the 950 ft per sec velocity is specified from a 2.5 to 4 inch barrel. CCI advertises the Uppercut ammo as optimized for small defensive semi-auto handguns.

Hornady Critical Defense .22 magnum ammo is also optimized for better performance from very short barrels. It also performs with .22 wmr velicities from rifle length barrels.

It would be nice to learn the velocities the CCI Uppercut gets in 16", 18", 20" barrels.

 

[herrwalther]

I can’t imagine it would work any better on .22 class of game. I’ve killed a coyote with a .22 LR but it was close and perfect broadside on its noggin

My preferred round for a coyote is 5.56. But that is only because I don't own a 22 Magnum rifle at the moment. Something I hope to change this year. Shots on my property can get a little too far than I want to use 22LR for. But a box of uppercut 22LR is going to be cheaper than a 22M rifle any day. So might as well have some on hand.

 

[357smallbore]

I'm just going to stick with a winner I've been shooting since the mid 80s.
CCI Stingers worked just fine then, have worked just fine for 40 yrs. No point in changing.

 

[mcb]

I'm just going to stick with a winner I've been shooting since the mid 80s.
CCI Stingers worked just fine then, have worked just fine for 40 yrs. No point in changing.

~40+ years ago when I bough my first box of Stinger for my first gun a 10/22 to hunt groundhogs with my uncle made a similar case for standard 40gr 22LR high velocity rather than those expensive Stingers. Dad told me not to take him too serious and me with my Stingers and dad with his 5mm Remington Magnum gave'em hell. I hope that some young teenager sees these new 22LR and loads his favorite rifle up and gives it a go just to see if it work better than the old stuff. Nothing wrong with the old reliable but you can't let that stop you from trying the new stuff on occasion too.

 

[DeepSouth]

Except ignite more regularly and hit closer to point of aim in my experience.

Maybe a little, but not much. Certainly not enough to matter to the average user, at least the ones I know.

Either way, I think we’re off the point of the op so I’ll bow out. Apologies to the OP.

 

[DM~]

I am also not thrilled with the thought of scrubbing out copper fouling in a rimfire barrels. I suppose I could wax lube it myself, but why wouldn’t we want a jacketed .22 also lubricated? It’s only going through 2-4” of barrel right?

IF your bbls are so rough that you will need to scrub out copper at those velocities, then you are already scrubbing out plenty of lead!!

DM

 

[luv2safari]

Night hunters and poachers can.

I’d probably keep some on hand for armadillos. I hate armadillos, they kill cows and cost me money.

I know nothing about Armadillos. I'm curious as to how they kill livestock?

Do they burrow and leave big holes the cattle step into, breaking legs?

 

[DeepSouth]

I know nothing about Armadillos. I'm curious as to how they kill livestock?

Do they burrow and leave big holes the cattle step into, breaking legs?

Among other ways, yes.
I’ve also had at least one calve born that got pushed into a dillo hole and had his neck broken as he got pushed out by mom.
Had a couple get the head in a hole during birth and apparently suffocated before they got the strength to get up, mom has to clean his nose off and she can’t get to it if it’s in a hole.
But yes broken legs are the most common in my experience. You’d be amazed at the ways a cow can find to die.

I HATE armadillos, they are my favorite 22 targets. As a kid every few months me and my brother would load up in back dad’s pickup and ride around the pastures night hunting them. Good times.

 

[Demi-human]

I’m not sure if copper cares how fast the friction happens.
Moreover, much of it is vapor deposited by the heat and pressure of combustion, settling on even a mirror smooth surface.

I also realize I am conflating defensive pistol and likely much higher round count rifle barrels, yet still my question remains, despite the finish of my bores…

My copper-washed, copper-plated, and brass-plated rimfire ammunition still carries a wax lube. Why would a relatively tougher jacket, pressing even more firmly on the bore, not benefit from wax lube during its ride down the pipe?

I often lubricate my centerfire jacketed ammunition and find lessened fouling in the bores, pistols and rifles alike.

A question perhaps not directly related to the topic, but brought up by the conversation, none the less. Like others, I find this ammunition offering interesting, just not for Self-Defense.

 

[mcb]

I’m not sure if copper cares how fast the friction happens.
Moreover, much of it is vapor deposited by the heat and pressure of combustion, settling on even a mirror smooth surface.

I also realize I am conflating defensive pistol and likely much higher round count rifle barrels, yet still my question remains, despite the finish of my bores…

My copper-washed, copper-plated, and brass-plated rimfire ammunition still carries a wax lube. Why would a relatively tougher jacket, pressing even more firmly on the bore, not benefit from wax lube during its ride down the pipe?

I often lubricate my centerfire jacketed ammunition and find lessened fouling in the bores, pistols and rifles alike.

A question perhaps not directly related to the topic, but brought up by the conversation, none the less. Like others, I find this ammunition offering interesting, just not for Self-Defense.

Copper is a self lubricating metal and as a bullet jacket does not need lubrication to work will. Yes it can benefit from lubrication but does very well without it as proven by most modern center fire ammunition. The idea here is in a small pocket 22 LR used for self defense, the bullet lubrication used by most 22LR ammunition has some serious down sides attracting dirt, pocket lint, and similar that would compromise function. A copper jacket removes the requirement for this sticky lubrication reducing this risk.

 

[pharmer]

Another answer searching for the question. Fortunately, this is still the USofA and money may be spent in any direction. Joe

 

[Demi-human]

The idea here is in a small pocket 22 LR used for self defense, the bullet lubrication used by most 22LR ammunition has some serious down sides attracting dirt, pocket lint, and similar that would compromise function. As copper jacket remove the requirement for this sticky lubrication reducing this risk.

Aha! See? I knew there was something I was missing.
Thank you for entertaining my question in earnest. It’s well appreciated, MCB.

I know it very much matters what kind of wax is used, as I wax my carry pistols instead of oiling them to keep them from attracting debris (sawdust).

I genuinely believe that if the velocity performance of this round was very similar to the Stinger’s it would make an exceptionally better hunting round than a soft lead hollow point. I’ve seen some become obliterated inside one of the Megalo-Coon that forages around here. Retaining weight, through a jacketed base and being supported by skived petals, makes a more impressive terminal effect.
As well, I’m not really a fan of a pass through, ever, so I only use LRN for steel targets and dirt berms. Even then, a soft lead hollow point splashes better.

I’m still waiting for my email alert.

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I bought another case of Standard, in weakness. They should call it “The Gold Standard.”

 

[N555]

"out of stock" at cci.
I'm definitely not going to pay double for it on GunBroker but I'm definitely going to try it when I can buy it at retail pricing.
I have plenty of Winchester silver tip that works great.
I have some bricks of federal punch that delivered less than average handgun accuracy. I'll retest in a rifle and if it still don't impress I'll off load during the next ammo panic. And so far my rifle hasn't liked any fast 32-36gr.

 

[Riomouse911]

Like the other new .22 LR defense-oriented offering it looks like it could be a useful item.

My Dad is 85, the Glock 17 I let him have many years ago is getting to be a bit too much for him to rack. While I also feel a .22 LR is not an optimal choice for HD, 10 of these in his Colt Huntsman is a better HD item than wielding a fistful of car keys and yelling dirty words.

YMMV.

Stay safe.

 

[borrowedtime69]

Question please, do they use the same shells as Stinger & Quik Shok? Those 2 rounds are not to be used with match or bentz chambers, I think the shells are a bit longer than regular .22 shells to make up for the shorter bullet.

I figure that the longer shells get jammed into these tighter chambers and damage the throat where the lands and gooves start....? So I wouldn't use in any ruger mk, browning, etc series that are target grade guns.

Thoughts?

 

[mcb]

It does look like the longer Stinger case. I don't think most of the guns this ammo is intended for are going to have a match chamber. But it's good to keep in mind for other uses.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Finally found a video test from both a 4 inch barreled semi auto pistol and an 18 inch rifle.
32gr JHP
980 fps from 4" barrel
1400 fps from 18" barrel

.My first impression is ".22 Stinger with a jacketed bullet rather than copper plated lead bullet." If I every day carried a .22 for defense, I would expect jacketed bullets would stand up to daily handling better than copper plated lead

 

[mcb]

Finally found a video test from both a 4 inch barreled semi auto pistol and an 18 inch rifle.
32gr JHP
980 fps from 4" barrel
1400 fps from 18" barrel

.My first impression is ".22 Stinger with a jacketed bullet rather than copper plated lead bullet." If I every day carried a .22 for defense, I would expect jacketed bullets would stand up to daily handling better than copper plated lead

Assuming a .084 G1 BC similar to that reported for the Stinger that would have the impact velocity at 100yds from a rifle at roughly the same as point blank from the 4-in barrel which on varmints at 100 yards, give or take a a dozen or two, you could expect those lovely controlled non-fragmenting expansion we see in the close range pistol testing. It would also only have a hair over a 4-inch drop at 100 from a 50 yard zero. Seems like good late season limb-rat medicine to me if it groups well in my rifle.

 

[Jim Watson]

I am keeping an eye open for Punch, Silvertip, and Uppercut .22 defense ammo and will chronograph it versus ordinary .22 high velocity like MiniMags, Velocitors, and Aguila SE.

I think the current trend to sub-minor CCW is interesting.
There are these .22s offered for self defense.
The .32 H&R is getting attention from revolver makers.
I think a .32 ACP on a .380 frame, like an EZ, would sell.
Midrange .38 wadcutters are being carried.

Me?
I am fairly comfortable with .38 and 9mm hollow points in pocketable guns. True, practice sessions are short so as to not induce a flinch. I have a .32 but tend to think of Jeff Cooper saying that a sub caliber puts you in the position of carrying a gun but not being well armed.

ETA
Bought some Silvertip today. Punch is available at Target Sports where a friend has an account like Amazon Prime. Now to find Uppercut.

 

[DustyGmt]

They look neat. For personal protection? No. .22lr for personal protection? If you must, but I don't think I'd use those. I agree with others, a 40gr mini mag would be about as good as it gets.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Looking at field test videos of CCI Uppercut, Federal Punch, etc I was surprised at the number of high end makes and models of .22 LR defensive handguns in the 2.5 to 4 inch barrel size.

People are buying these small .22 handguns for self defense. So there is a real need for quality ammo that performs well and reliably in short barrel handguns, and which will survive rough handling.

I am approaching my 76th birthday and have to deal with the effects of arthritis myself. I can understand why some people have to rely on a .22 handgun they can shoot without distracting pain.