Yarddog
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HE (45__Auto) Does'nt Get it,, And He Reload :banghead: Sorry I'm not buying it ; )
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Posted by gamestalker: I've read posts now and then about some that simply don't trust a reload to be reliable enough for self defense carry. These particular posts commonly express a strong impression that reloads just aren't reliable, and shouldn't be considered for a self defense application....
As for me, I will not trust my life to factory ammunition, over those loads I personally build.
Yep, the reason that EVERY major firearm manufacturer recommends using ONLY handloaded ammo and NOT factory ammo in their firearms is because of the vastly higher quality and fewer problems caused by the handloaded ammo!
That could be easily answered by taking a poll on how many people on here would prefer to shoot other people's handloads or factory ammo.
Almost every week I have someone at the range offer me some of their handloads. I've never taken them up on the offer.
I have had handloads given to me by other people. They've all been pulled down.
I believe there was a poll on here a while back about whether posters would shoot other people's handloads. Maybe I'll try to find it if I get bored enough.
Ok, found the thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=628887&highlight=handload+poll
Looks like about 45% would shoot the reloads, 55% would not.
What do you think the percentage would be if it was 100 rounds of factory ammo instead of 100 rounds of reloads?
Overall, why do you think reloads have such a bad reputation for quality, even among reloaders?
Could it be because they realize how easily it is to make a mistake?
.How do you know that? You're using the exact same components the factories are.
higgite,I hope y'all will forgive me for trusting my life to Hornady , but I've only been making ammo for about 2 years. Hornady has me by a few years. I carried factory ammo before I started reloading and I see no reason to trust it any less now than I did then. I also don't have the means nor the inclination to do ballistic testing of my own reloads, so I have no idea how far my typical reloads would penetrate a block of gelatin nor how well they would expand after passing through 3 or 4 layers of denim. No, I don't trust Hornady SD ammo to go bang any more reliably than my own, but, yes, I do have more confidence in it stopping a BG in a crunch. If that ever changes as I gain experience, then I'll rethink it. ymmv
bullfrogken said:I've seen factory loads with primers in backwards. I've seen ones with no powder at all, and with the flash hole not punched. I've seen squibs, and overcharges. I've seen case necks crumpled to hell with only half the neck still holding onto the bullet.
How do you know that? You're using the exact same components the factories are.
And why exactly would I want to do that?
winchesteraa said:Whoa.. You totally don't understand the concept of "Quality vs Quantity"
winchesteraa said:So, if I produce one round per year, my one round should be 1,500,000,000 times more awesome than a factory round. It's simple math, man! (ignoring diminishing returns, of course.)
...the books I learned from back in the day, never stated that keeping brass trimmed to spec. was an option, but rather the proper method.
Brass I use always gets an acetone moistened Q-tip wipe down internally prior to using it. And for brass that has been lubed, I actually dip the cases in acetone, or another residue free solution to remove any remaining film, and then I tumbled to make sure it is completely free of something that could inadvertently foul the primer or powder charge. These elements of reloading, and others I've not mentioned, are easily found in the pages of every good instructional book. And if followed to the "T" will produce ammunition that is significantly higher quality that most any ammunition available off the shelf.
And another aspect that I think contributes to trust worthy reloads in my opinion, is using jacketed projectiles. Not because lead is unreliable, or sub standard. But because lead commonly requires lube to be on the projectile, which in my opinion increases a fouling risk. And even though there are a number of lead projectiles that will significantly out perform a jacketed bullet, jacketed is probably a better option for self defense, but because it doesn't introduce the risk of contamination.
ArchAngel,higgite,
I will agree with you to a point. If you are loading bullets of an unknown source or have been untested, sure, since you can't test their performance go with factory ammo. BUT, most bullets these days are available as components for reloading. I like Speer 135gr Short Barrel GDHP ammo and Speer sells those bullets as components. If I load that bullet to the same velocities as the factory ammo there is no reason in the world my ammo will not perform exactly as the factory loaded ammo does.
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...I don't have a chrono to be able to match factory velocities. I'm sure I'll get one sooner or later, but not now.
COMPLETE CONFIDENCE.
Where'd you pull this number? I suspect it's way too low. If you include their UMC line, I would increase this estimate by a factor of ten!For example, if Remington ships 1,500,000,000 total rounds per year and 1,000 of them are bad, then 1,000/1,500,000,00 of their rounds are defective. In other words, .0000007% are bad, 99.9999993% are good.