heavy recoil and front rest?

[Axis II]

I just loaded some 300gr Hornady HP for 45-70 and according to the book I should be around 1900-2kfps. 46gr IMR4198. It dawned on me that I had issues before with front and rear sand bags and the rifle flipping upwards so I'm looking for advice to control it a bit and see what the rifle can do on paper without fliers from muzzle flip. I'm using a Caldwell rock now and cant afford a lead sled nor do I like shooting off them.

 

[LoonWulf]

I'm hardly the best shot off a rest, but what I do to counter the muzzle flip is hold the front end and rest my hand.
Or let it jump, but try to control/direct the initial recoil impulse.
To do that I pull the stock back hard into my shoulder pocket, dont lean as hard forward as with lesser kicking rifles, and try to get the recoil to come straight back, then up.

I can get pretty consistent groups from my .375 now, but it kicks me enough out of position so I have to rebuild before the next shot.

 

[Offfhand]

This photo is a good demonstration of holding a rifle on rest to control muzzle jump. Pull forend down hard into the rest...

 

[jmorris]

If you don’t want one to beat you up and don’t want to use a recoil absorbing rest, you might try not shooting from a bench or prone.

I built this rest from a scissor jack, I can use bags or let it free recoil.

 

[Axis II]

Well I took your guys advice and I still shot like crap lol. Not your guys fault! It did help a lot but there is something goofy going on here! I was even thinking about putting a ratchet strap on there!

 

[jmorris]

If it’s that out of control, just get some factory ammo or load for a trapdoor rifle. You can still kill stuff without one of the things being your shoulder.

 

[Bfh_auto]

Like jmorris said, start lower on recoil. Once you get settled with technique, you can move up.
I hold down on the front of the sling if the rifle likes to jump. This adds another factor into the equation, but helps if you are consistent with down pressure.

 

[Axis II]

If it’s that out of control, just get some factory ammo or load for a trapdoor rifle. You can still kill stuff without one of the things being your shoulder.

Its not too terrible I was joking about the ratchet strap comment. It jumps and I figured it was throwing me shots but im thinking something else maybe going on here then the rest and recoil.

 

[LoonWulf]

What are you seeing on your targets that prompted the question?

 

[Axis II]

What are you seeing on your targets that prompted the question?

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/what-is-going-on-here.843228/

 

[DannyLandrum]

Muzzle flip does NOT cause fliers! Something else is causing your inaccuracy problems as long as you are holding it *consistently* from shot to shot; i.e as long as it flips up the same every time, with the same grip and technique.

 

[Jessesky]

I just loaded some 300gr Hornady HP for 45-70 and according to the book I should be around 1900-2kfps. 46gr IMR4198. It dawned on me that I had issues before with front and rear sand bags and the rifle flipping upwards so I'm looking for advice to control it a bit and see what the rifle can do on paper without fliers from muzzle flip. I'm using a Caldwell rock now and cant afford a lead sled nor do I like shooting off them.

Muzzle flip is one thing, but the bullet has left your barrel long before recoil could ever have any effects on fliers.