Heller aftermath: Hawaii will review laws

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Ten days ago the U.S. Supreme Court released its landmark Second Amendment decision on District of Columbia v Heller, the Washington, D.C., gun ban case. Hawaii gun laws, among the strictest in the nation, are now subject to scrutiny relative to that decision. Will it have an effect here? Attorney General Mark Bennett has announced he will review Hawaii's gun laws.

The D.C. ban on handguns and requirement that long guns in the home be disassembled or have trigger locks were ruled unconstitutional. The protection of the right to have guns in the home, available for self- protection, was upheld, as an individual right, not just a protection for the organized militia.

According to the decision, the right to firearms is not absolute, and laws against concealed carry, possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, prohibitions on carrying "dangerous or unusual weapons" and licensing requirements are not struck down. D.C.'s ban on "an entire class of 'arms' that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense" was found unconstitutional.

The debate about what constitutes "dangerous and unusual" is left open.

The decision should make it harder for gun-control advocates in Hawaii to get enough support to pass de facto gun bans and impossibly strict storage laws like the overturned D.C. statutes. Bennett will hopefully look hard at Hawaii's present ban on standard factory magazines for ordinary handguns commonly kept in the home for self-defense.

The decision opens the way immediately for a number of lawsuits across the nation. The Second Amendment Foundation's suit against Chicago, where handguns are banned, was filed 15 minutes after the courts opened following publication of the Supreme Court decision.

Likewise, the National Rifle Association, et. al., have filed against the city of San Francisco. If the Hawaii Rifle Association and many others had not worked with several state legislators, such as Rep. Joe Souki of Maui and former Windward Oahu Rep. Terrance Tom, to defeat a 1994 statewide ban on handguns, proposed by Gov. John Waihee and pushed by the state Senate and county police and prosecutors, we would have grounds, too.

Washington, D.C., Chicago, San Francisco and other municipalities most likely will drag their feet in recognizing their responsibilities under the decision, delaying restoration of Second Amendment protection to their residents.

Of course, there are dire predictions about the consequences of the decision from anti-gun organizations and some law enforcement agencies. But a dramatic reduction in violent crime rates in D.C., as is anticipated by gun-rights proponents following restoration of the means of self-protection to their residents, should answer all reasonable critics.

The Supreme Court decision is a significant victory for all who prize their basic rights and liberty.

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First, here's a page on Hawaii's gun laws:

http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=42&Itemid=47

Take at look at their state Constitutional RKBA clause:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Article I, Section 17.

Yeah. They copied the 2nd WORD FOR WORD. Which means the Heller decision applies to HI right now.

Ohhhhh yeah baby, this is gonna be great. No incorporation issue! There's no way anybody in HI's gov't can claim with a straight face that the same words in HI mean something different than what Scalia laid out. YEEHAW!

I also did some digging into HI's CCW system. It turns out that HI doesn't have language restricting CCW to HI residents, in fact the CCW rules specifically say that a police chief can issue to a foreign national (!). So we don't have a Saenz-style situation. See also:

http://www.mgawley.com/hawaii_revised_statutes_134.htm - look under section 134-9.

That means the issues are drop-dead simple: there's no incorporation problem (unless he wants to try and read Hawaii's copy of the same text differently than Scalia!) and there's no Saenz-type issue (discrimination against visitors) the way there is in California, Colorado, etc.

That means Bennet's review is the FIRST opportunity we'll get to establish a right to carry outside the home in some fashion. Bennett will have to decide whether to allow open carry, reform the CCW process into something sane, or both.

OK. We need to get a letter written to him, on a lawyer's letterhead (best) or a gun rights org (second best).

This is a first-thoughts, rough-draft outline of what would go in it...

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Dear AG Bennet,

Thank you for your efforts in reviewing your state's gun laws in light of the Heller decision.

As you're no doubt aware, the HI state constitutional section on the right to keep and bear arms is a word-for-word copy of the Federal 2nd Amendment. We think you'll agree that you have to translate the meaning of your state's copy in line with the Heller decision.

We believe that the Heller decision must be read as allowing self defense outside of one's home, in some fashion. It's true that holding #2 in Heller says that a state can regulate or even ban concealed carry. However, the rest of the holdings refer to an individual, personal right to keep and BEAR arms, such as holding (1)(a):

The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but
does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative
clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

Nowhere does the Heller court separate the right to "keep" and "bear". In order for you to support a right to keep but NOT "bear" (explicitly listed as personal defense outside of the home), you would have to create a doctrine to support this notion out of whole cloth. We believe you're too honest than to attempt so.

The Heller court speaks favorably of open carry as a basic civil right, and cites 19th century cases stating so with approval.

(Discuss the Ohio case of 2003 next...)

(TO BE CONTINUED LATER, I ain't done but I have to relocate where I'm typing...)
 
You should also be aware that the issue of CCW protected under the Ohio constitution was decided by that state's supreme court in Klein v. Leis, 99 Ohio St.3d 537, 2003. The Ohio constitutional arms clause is more obviously personal-rights oriented and is hence a good legal model for the HI clause as understood in Heller:

The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

The court in Klein found no state constitutional protection for concealed carry of personal defense weapons, with or without a permit process. That court did however find protection for open carry, noting almost in passing that the concealed carry ban could be supported because the open carry alternative was available:

{¶24} Under intermediate scrutiny, a regulation will be upheld only if the
regulation is narrowly tailored to serve an important government interest and
leaves open other means of exercising the right. Id. The state argues that the
carrying of concealed weapons must be banned to protect public safety. Ensuring
public safety is an important government interest that would satisfy the first prong
of the test, if the statute were narrowly tailored. Further, the state correctly asserts
that the statute leaves open the ability to bear arms by openly carrying a firearm,
satisfying the third prong of the test.

This was actually a surprise to police departments in Toledo, Cleveland and many other cities which had long been arresting people for "disturbing the peace" or similar. With that practice ended, the practical effect in Klein was to create open carry legallity where it had been questionable (or certainly "questioned" by law enforcement) before. That led to proponents of personal defense gleefully engaging in open carry protest marches (in which zero violence was ever recorded) and within a year, annoyed legislators drafting a concealed carry license system that all could live with, based on objective standards (training and background check).

If your office supports legal open carry but leaves the concealed carry permit process in it's current state, a repeat of Ohio seems very likely.

This wouldn't insulate your state from costly litigation. Unlike Ohio which had no permit issuance at all at the time the Klein decision was penned, HI does have a carry permit program marked by statutory discretion by law enforcement in issuance. While it seems constitutional to have a concealed carry permit program, any discrimination, favoritism or corruption in that process would come under severe scrutiny.

Discretionary permit processes are found in a few other states, including New York and California. Sheriff Carona of Orange County California is currently facing charges for, among other problems, issuing carry permits to politically connected friends with criminal histories. In New York City, a member of the brass in charge of gun permit issuance was found to have issued permits to two members of the band "Aerosmith" while at the same time having backstage passes, shared limo rides with the band and other unusual amenities.

Are you absolutely sure behavior of this sort won't turn up in Hawaii once lawsuits and discovery begin?

Even without finding this sort of idiocy, a system of assigned access to a constitutional right via the personal discretion of unelected bureaucrats seems highly vulnerable to challenge.

At present unlicensed carry of a loaded firearm of any sort, open or concealed, are felonies in your state. This is going to have to change.

As noted, open carry will likely lead (legislatively) to concealed carry. If you scrap the current carry permit process and do open carry only, you'll at least insulate the state from lawsuits while throwing policy decisions on concealed carry back to the legislature.

Another reasonable answer would be to reform the permit process into a "shall issue" (also known as "objective standards") situation. A background check would be involved, and possibly some training standards - but we would caution you that causing the price to rise too high could trigger it's own category of litigation.

Finally, you should consider that while Heller established a personal right to arms for self defense purposes, it didn't go back and wipe out potential "militia purposes" in line with the 1792 concept of a militia. Under the "militia purposes" portion of the 2nd Amendment, it would seem rather odd to completely ban semi-automatic versions of US military personal rifles such as the M16/AR15 family, or functional equivalents. Restrictions on the full-auto versions would be easier to support in court although the matter isn't yet clear cut; the semi-auto versions are useful as "militia weapons" as US v. Miller 307 US 174 termed them via cases like Aymette v. Tennessee. We would argue that the "militia right" encompasses the right to gain skill with arms useful in a serious state or national emergency. Military-pattern rifles (altered to semi-auto for the civilian market or otherwise) have the necessary durability and cheap parts access (plus surplus ammo availability) to facilitate the level of training needed to be part of an effective militia.

In conclusion:

* Think carefully before perpetuating the ban on personal defense outside of the home, and how you want to go about opening it up.

* Be careful in general of pricing civil rights out of reach. Costs of any permit process must be kept as low as practical at a minimum, free where possible.

* Consider carefully before perpetuating total bans on hardware with a clear-cut "old school militia purpose" still present in the the right to arms.

Thank you for your kind attention to these matters, and for your wisdom in reviewing your state's laws in the post-Heller legal environment.

(signed)
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Done. Thoughts?
 
After seeing Hawaii's state RKBA clause (identical to Fed 2A) I decided to check on other states. Found a neat guide:

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/states.rkba.html

We'd have to confirm accuracy of course before basing litigation on it but for now it looks accurate.

Alaska is another 2A clone, but I doubt there's anything to challenge :).

North Carolina is a "partial clone" and I think close enough that Heller should immediately apply:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the carrying of concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice." N. C. Const. art. I, S 30

It's an open-carry state per: http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html

Let's see here, who's next...

RHODE ISLAND: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." R. I. Const. art. I, S 22

opencarry.org says it's a "licensed open carry state" and I know their CCW permit process is a friggin' mess. Oh MAN are they ever open to challenge. Chortle. Wait...this site:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

...says they're shall-issue. Did that change recently?

Oh well. What I find interesting from this list:

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/states.rkba.html

...is that of all the states listed, only Hawaii, Illinois and Mass. have serious restrictions on personal defense (assuming RI is OK, gotta check that). The Mass. RKBA clause is a very weak one, listing "common defense" only. Illinois is almost as bad:

ILLINOIS: "Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Ill. Const. art. I, S 22

All the rest have strong state-level RKBA clauses and are at least decent in regards personal defense with the sole exception of Hawaii. And now that the ground has seriously shifted under Hawaii, expect that one to change bigtime, one way or the other (read: do we need to sue the hell out of 'em or will they cave?).
 
With the way the tourism economy is sliding downhill.....you might want to consider writing letters also to the HTA (Hawaii Tourism Authority), and say that since Hawaii will not reciprocate your CCW permit, you will not be going there on vacation. With a cc to the governor & AG offices.

The dollar speaks loudly sometimes.
 
Dr. Max Cooper is the President of the Hawaii Rifle Association, and is no stranger to the editorial section (he also campaigned against the .50 BMG ban the HPD Chief was trying to push through). Although the laws are strict here, at least there are no outright bans of handguns or AWB-style restrictions on rifles. There were a number of high-profile murders and assaults here recently that should highlight the need for individuals to be allowed use of all the tools necessary to defend themselves and others.

I wonder which lawyer here would pick up such an issue.
 
IL's clause "subject only to the police power" was added specifically to neuter the amendment during Constitutional Convention debates in 1971. I have the transcript of the last floor debate before the amendment was passed. The anti-gun side actually argued to the pro-gun side that they'd been had, and what they'd thought was a compromise was in fact the complete neutralization of the amendment, so they might as well just forget the whole thing and leave it out. Some on the pro-gun side said the same, actually, but others wanted something to take home to rural districts.

It was worded that way because "the police power" meant the power of the state as a political unit to enact legislation and enforce it. In other words, the amendment could be translated accurately as "Unless the legislature enacts a law which infringes the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

It sucks. Incorporation is going to be very important in Illinois.
 
I'm sure they'll be reviewed and found to be completely constitutional.
I don't know anything about the AG in question, but I take the fact that he is going to review the laws as a good sign. Most of the antis are not even considering the possibility that their laws may need some review.
 
Bennett will hopefully look hard at Hawaii's present ban on standard factory magazines for ordinary handguns commonly kept in the home for self-defense.
I really like that choice of working. Very much.
 
I have researched the State Constitutions also and have the RKBA clauses (if existing) and links to where they were found at:
http://www.mcrkba.org/states.html
You need to update it. Wisconsin DOES have a RKBA amendment in their constitution.



Right to keep and bear arms. SECTION 25. [As created
Nov. 1998] The people have the right to keep and bear arms for
security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful pur-
pose. [1995 J.R. 27, 1997 J.R. 21, vote November 1998]


Right to fish, hunt, trap, and take game. SECTION 26.
[As created April 2003] The people have the right to fish, hunt,
trap, and take game subject only to reasonable restrictions as
prescribed by law. [2001 J.R. 16, 2003 J.R. 8, vote April 2003]
 
Here is the actual language of HRS 134-9

§134-9 Licenses to carry. (a) In an exceptional case, when an applicant shows reason to fear injury to the applicant's person or property, the chief of police of the appropriate county may grant a license to an applicant who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty‑one years or more or to a duly accredited official representative of a foreign nation of the age of twenty-one years or more to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor concealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. Where the urgency or the need has been sufficiently indicated, the respective chief of police may grant to an applicant of good moral character who is a citizen of the United States of the age of twenty-one years or more, is engaged in the protection of life and property, and is not prohibited under section 134‑7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm, a license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted. The chief of police of the appropriate county, or the chief's designated representative, shall perform an inquiry on an applicant by using the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, to include a check of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement databases where the applicant is not a citizen of the United States, before any determination to grant a license is made. Unless renewed, the license shall expire one year from the date of issue.

(b) The chief of police of each county shall adopt procedures to require that any person granted a license to carry a concealed weapon on the person shall:

(1) Be qualified to use the firearm in a safe manner;

(2) Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;

(3) Not be prohibited under section 134-7 from the ownership or possession of a firearm; and

(4) Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be mentally deranged.

(c) No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.

(d) A fee of $10 shall be charged for each license and shall be deposited in the treasury of the county in which the license is granted. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1994, c 204, §8; am L 1997, c 254, §§2, 4; am L 2000, c 96, §1; am L 2002, c 79, §1; am L 2006, c 27, §3 and c 66, §3; am L 2007, c 9, §8]

As far as I know, concealed licenses are simply flat out not issued. I'm not even sure if unconcealed licenses have been issued either.
 
Jim:

Yes, Rhode Island's "town permits" issued under 11-47-11 is shall issue. The problem is that we have some police chiefs who are being recalcitrant about the issue and being dragged cooking and screaming to issue licenses. It'll probably end up in front of the Rhode Island Supreme Court again.

Read Mosby v. Devine. Also, take a look at CRALRI's forums.

Better yet, here's a picture. Keep in mind that 4 years ago, the entire state was red and did not issue at all.

CCW.bmp
 
Thank you for the interest freakshow10mm. I do list the Wisconsin RKBA amendment, but after the right to life article.

I list "right to life" articles where found because "right to life" and right to defend life justifies right to keep and bear arms.

Thank you for your review -- it is hard to get these pages right and any error detected by other eyes is helpful.
 
OK, I see it now. It took us a while to get it added to the constitution. I lived in WI up until 3 years ago. We worked our ass off to get it on the ballot for public voting. The right to hunt/fish/trap one was easier to get.
 
It seems like 50 has always been the polar opposite of 49 when it comes to gun laws. It's a shame because it's such a convenient vacation spot for us frost covered haoles. You get on the jet at 20 below zero and a few hours later it's a balmy 80.

Ha has always seemed more like a colony than Ak, though both economies are quite dependent on tourism and natural resources. The Japanese influence on the islands is enormous, which may have something to do with the gun laws. Also the island mentality which encourages paranoia about outside influences. Coupled with the radically different attitudes between the Hawaiian natives and Alaskan natives when it comes to firearms. Ak natives have been willing and eager to use the most effective tools since the days the Battle of Sitka. Accounts I've read from the late 19th century describe nearly every adult male including natives has having at least a rifle musket. (One experienced English big game hunter was not at all happy with how upity the local natives were, and was even less happy when he was arrested for game violations.) AFAIK the Ha natives were never allowed to be armed with modern weapons, even under their traditional monarchs.
 
According to the decision, the right to firearms is not absolute, and laws against concealed carry, possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, prohibitions on carrying "dangerous or unusual weapons" and licensing requirements are not struck down. D.C.'s ban on "an entire class of 'arms' that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense" was found unconstitutional.

Sidebar: Where in Heller did the majority say that concealed carry laws are on their face constitutional as this quote implies? The others I recall, but not concealed carry. Also, if all of this true, especially "prohibitions on carrying "dangerous or unusual weapons"", doesn't this imply that OC is legal as long as the weapon is not dangerous or unusual (i.e. handguns are not according to Heller)?
 
It's right there in the "holdings", which is the most important part.

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.
It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, con-
cealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment
or state analogues.
The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast
doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by
felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of fire-
arms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or
laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of
arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those
“in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition
of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
Pp. 54–56.
 
Also the island mentality which encourages paranoia about outside influences.

This is one of the reasons why I'm skeptical about having our "may issue" to "shall issue" in the near future. Despite high-profile murders and assaults, including the knowledge that there are multiple-repeat criminals free in our neighborhoods, there is always the "Eh... dis not da mainland brah" mentality to overcome.
 
Good luck to our fellow gunowners in HI. I hope something good comes about although I supect nothing will change without a direct challenge.
 
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