Help cleaning a Bryco P58 380
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Manedwolf
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While it might not be useful advice for the situation, I'd say don't even bother, just get rid of it before the thing explodes in someone's hand and hurts them. I'd not ever try firing it. Yes, they ARE that bad.
No need to take the slide off just throw it in a bucket of acid and forget it!
Probably the best thing for it and the most safe for your friend.
They are junk but if you must there should be a latch on the back of the slide that holds the fireing pin in and the slide on the frame. Be careful because it has spring pressure, parts will fly out and never be seen again if you are not careful. Push it in and lift the back of the slide up it should then slide off the frame towards the front.
Probably the best thing for it and the most safe for your friend.
They are junk but if you must there should be a latch on the back of the slide that holds the fireing pin in and the slide on the frame. Be careful because it has spring pressure, parts will fly out and never be seen again if you are not careful. Push it in and lift the back of the slide up it should then slide off the frame towards the front.
First of all they are a safe gun, my mother has a M48 which was the only gun that fit her hand that she liked that has fired lots o' rounds thru it with better than average accuracy. Gun Tests even tested one and they liked it quite a bit. Its the Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez 9mm that isnt safe and has documented problems.
The M58 is a double stack 380 right? Im pretty sure they strio down the same, ill have to see if she still has the original manual.
Are they the greatest gun ever? No not even close. Are they a servicable gun that will go bang? Yes, and some of them are quite accurate.
The M58 is a double stack 380 right? Im pretty sure they strio down the same, ill have to see if she still has the original manual.
Are they the greatest gun ever? No not even close. Are they a servicable gun that will go bang? Yes, and some of them are quite accurate.
Manedwolf
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I would never call a gun of horrible metallurgy (potmetal zinc) "safe". Even a .380 develops enough chamber pressure to blow a gun apart...and take some of your fingers or an eye with it if you're unlucky.
Firing one of those is encapsulating a chamber pressure of almost 22,000 PSI in something with the metallurgy and casting of a cheap cap gun.
I wouldn't do it. Ever.
Firing one of those is encapsulating a chamber pressure of almost 22,000 PSI in something with the metallurgy and casting of a cheap cap gun.
I wouldn't do it. Ever.
The delivery driver for my store heard that we were into guns and brought us his "trophy:" A Bryco .380 (unsure of the model) split along the top of the slide from bow to stern, taking the barrel with it.
Said it scared the bejesus out of him but didn't do any other harm. He was lucky.
Said it scared the bejesus out of him but didn't do any other harm. He was lucky.
Most common problem I have seen with the Jennings/Bryco guns is that they
fracture firing pins without much use and they tend to blow the front of the slide off after about 300 shots.
The slide fractures all the way around and the muzzle ring portion and recoil spring follow the last bullet on down range.
The rest of the posters aren't yanking your chain, these guns were and are nothing but trouble.
I thank God the company went bankrupt and I rarely need to deal with them anymore.
fracture firing pins without much use and they tend to blow the front of the slide off after about 300 shots.
The slide fractures all the way around and the muzzle ring portion and recoil spring follow the last bullet on down range.
The rest of the posters aren't yanking your chain, these guns were and are nothing but trouble.
I thank God the company went bankrupt and I rarely need to deal with them anymore.
MCgunner
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Yeah, move up to a Davis....
denfoote
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Excuse my profound ignorance...
But what does NOS mean??
The only thing I could think of in this context was Not Overly Safe!!!!
Please enlighten me!!!
But what does NOS mean??
The only thing I could think of in this context was Not Overly Safe!!!!
Please enlighten me!!!
pctech
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NOS = New Old Stock
denfoote
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Thanks!!
In this context, however, I think my definition is better!!
In this context, however, I think my definition is better!!
darn it
I recently purchased the M48 .380. I haven't had a chance to fire it since weather is crappy. I haven't read any decent reports on it yet and have seen threads on here telling me to throw it away or use it as a paper weight.
Dang it, I only paid $80... I will shoot my moneys worth come hell or high water hahaha. But any information on keeping it clean or even on how to make it look fancy enough for me to sell it for a highier price haha
-Matt
I recently purchased the M48 .380. I haven't had a chance to fire it since weather is crappy. I haven't read any decent reports on it yet and have seen threads on here telling me to throw it away or use it as a paper weight.
Dang it, I only paid $80... I will shoot my moneys worth come hell or high water hahaha. But any information on keeping it clean or even on how to make it look fancy enough for me to sell it for a highier price haha
-Matt
skinnyguy
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I have a Bryco model 59 in 9mm. The model 58 is built on the same frame and the only major difference is the 58 is chambered for .380.
I have put somewhere around 1000 rounds through mine and it has not kaboomed or even threatened to kaboom. I am the third or fourth owner of the gun and so it's impossible to tell how many rounds it has run.
It is picky on the ammo it likes. UMC seems to work best with mine.
Now, to address your question; breakdown is VERY easy.
Remove the magazine and make sure the chamber is empty. Point in safe direction, and dry fire. (yeah, makes me cringe too) Look at back of slide. you will see a "keyhole" shape. (see photo) This is your slide release.
Using a pen or similar item, press the hole in the slide release GENTLY. Lift up on the rear of the slide until the release clears the frame. Be careful here because there is a spring that will shoot itself and the slide release across the room. Turn pistol muzzle up and let the release, spring, and firing pin to fall out. Pull slide slightly rearward and lift. When the slide clears the chamber, it will go forward and come off the frame. Take note of how your slide springs are arranged when they come out of the frame/slide.
Clean your pistol, and reassembly is reverse of breakdown.
GOOD LUCK!!!!
I have put somewhere around 1000 rounds through mine and it has not kaboomed or even threatened to kaboom. I am the third or fourth owner of the gun and so it's impossible to tell how many rounds it has run.
It is picky on the ammo it likes. UMC seems to work best with mine.
Now, to address your question; breakdown is VERY easy.
Remove the magazine and make sure the chamber is empty. Point in safe direction, and dry fire. (yeah, makes me cringe too) Look at back of slide. you will see a "keyhole" shape. (see photo) This is your slide release.
Using a pen or similar item, press the hole in the slide release GENTLY. Lift up on the rear of the slide until the release clears the frame. Be careful here because there is a spring that will shoot itself and the slide release across the room. Turn pistol muzzle up and let the release, spring, and firing pin to fall out. Pull slide slightly rearward and lift. When the slide clears the chamber, it will go forward and come off the frame. Take note of how your slide springs are arranged when they come out of the frame/slide.
Clean your pistol, and reassembly is reverse of breakdown.
GOOD LUCK!!!!
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steppenwolf
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I am curious as to what you all that are negative are doing to the Bryco/Jennings. I own a 9mm and a .380 and have put almost a thousand rounds through the 9mm and right at 480 through the .380.
I have not seen or experienced any of the charges that have been made so far. I have cleaned the unit in a liquid gun dip and run the snake down them several times. But I have never experienced any of these problems.
I have not seen or experienced any of the charges that have been made so far. I have cleaned the unit in a liquid gun dip and run the snake down them several times. But I have never experienced any of these problems.
kingpin008
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Am I the only one who finds it rather sad that it took 14 posts for someone to answer the OP's question? I mean really, we all know that Bryco and the like aren't exactly "top-of-the-line" products, but do we really need to drag out all the disparaging pot metal/jam-o-matic/you'll blow yourself up comments when the guy just wants to know how to get his gun apart?
Sometimes less is more, ya know? I know from my own experience with posting questions here, that most times people will always have their say, no matter how helpful or sought-after it is. But at least try to answer the question, will ya?
Sometimes less is more, ya know? I know from my own experience with posting questions here, that most times people will always have their say, no matter how helpful or sought-after it is. But at least try to answer the question, will ya?
Your help is here
Ok first I am going to tell you how to get your slide off then give you some quick suggestions on how to make it better.
First you are going to need the tool that came with the gun or something like it.. A retractible ball point pen would be great. Retract the ball point on the pen. Next insert it into the rearmost part of the slide where the little red indicator will pop out when cocked... Don't just stick it in the hole actually push that little key shaped sob that surrounds it all the way in until it stops. Next carefully hold that thing in being careful as to not let it slip..(It is on a spring and will shoot out as you take off the slide if you let it)Pull the slide back slightly and upward and then forward after it goes up... Don't lose the spring or the indicator.. Or the little goofy shock up front... Or the firing pin... Ok now tips to make this thing reliable... First off lube your barrel with molybedium and synthetic motor oil and stick it in the freezer for a few hours/ overnight... Do the same with your Mags... get everything out of the freezer and allow everything to naturally warm to room temp. Now clean that barrel out really well with just your little gun cleaning patches... No solvent at all.. Wipe mags clean with rag.. Reassemble the weapon and take it to the range... Feel free to now use full metal jackets, hollow points, whatever you want... when you clean the gun do not use solvents simply clean with synthetic motor oil, wipe clean with patch, reapply moly/ motor oil mix wipe clean with patch.. Repeat freeze cycle every 1000 rds. Let these fine people know your firing range results as far as reliability goes and let them all know that I am in fact the man. Also as time goes by this weapon will have extractor problems unless you do the moly freeze cycle on the extractor as well... If you need instructions on how to remove the extractor my email is [email protected].
Ok first I am going to tell you how to get your slide off then give you some quick suggestions on how to make it better.
First you are going to need the tool that came with the gun or something like it.. A retractible ball point pen would be great. Retract the ball point on the pen. Next insert it into the rearmost part of the slide where the little red indicator will pop out when cocked... Don't just stick it in the hole actually push that little key shaped sob that surrounds it all the way in until it stops. Next carefully hold that thing in being careful as to not let it slip..(It is on a spring and will shoot out as you take off the slide if you let it)Pull the slide back slightly and upward and then forward after it goes up... Don't lose the spring or the indicator.. Or the little goofy shock up front... Or the firing pin... Ok now tips to make this thing reliable... First off lube your barrel with molybedium and synthetic motor oil and stick it in the freezer for a few hours/ overnight... Do the same with your Mags... get everything out of the freezer and allow everything to naturally warm to room temp. Now clean that barrel out really well with just your little gun cleaning patches... No solvent at all.. Wipe mags clean with rag.. Reassemble the weapon and take it to the range... Feel free to now use full metal jackets, hollow points, whatever you want... when you clean the gun do not use solvents simply clean with synthetic motor oil, wipe clean with patch, reapply moly/ motor oil mix wipe clean with patch.. Repeat freeze cycle every 1000 rds. Let these fine people know your firing range results as far as reliability goes and let them all know that I am in fact the man. Also as time goes by this weapon will have extractor problems unless you do the moly freeze cycle on the extractor as well... If you need instructions on how to remove the extractor my email is [email protected].
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Bryco pistols are safe. Just don't dry fire them (I use snap caps) and I wouldn't carry any of the cheap striker fired pistols with a round in the chamber. Check Steve's Pages and he will probably have a manual for online viewing. You can also get a schematic from www.e-gunparts.com.
Usually you empty the gun completely and pull the trigger to release the striker. Next you either depress a button on the back of the slide (or sometimes on the side of the frame and lift the slide up and forward. One of the things I like about these guns is the simplicity of them. Not much to go wrong. Occasionally the front of the slide will crack after a few hundred rounds but they don't usually explode in your face. Nice part is you used to be able to get a new slide for about $30-$40. If you need one check with Jimenez Arms or e-gunparts.com or ebay.
I did see an article once about a lawsuit against Davis Arms (now Cobra Ent.) because one of their .380's broke and a piece of the slide damaged someone's thumb and eye. Fact is this has happened with more expensive guns also. There have been tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of these types of "pot metal" guns sold. If they really exploded all the time you would have a lot more first-hand accounts of people getting hurt by them. Also don't forget that even S&W has produced some of these type guns with pot metal slides. That is key. It's OK to make the frame out of pot metal (zamak or zinc-aluminum alloy) but if you make the slide out of this material it is best to make it very thick and robust and probably not wise to go over .380acp on the power scale.
Pot metal slides on .22LR pistols are becoming quite common these days.
I think these so called SNS's have helped some other more prominent gun manufacturer's learn new ways to make their manufacturing processes more efficient.
Now, after all that, if you really believe the gun is unsafe, let me know and I would be willing to buy it for cheap. I'm serious.
Usually you empty the gun completely and pull the trigger to release the striker. Next you either depress a button on the back of the slide (or sometimes on the side of the frame and lift the slide up and forward. One of the things I like about these guns is the simplicity of them. Not much to go wrong. Occasionally the front of the slide will crack after a few hundred rounds but they don't usually explode in your face. Nice part is you used to be able to get a new slide for about $30-$40. If you need one check with Jimenez Arms or e-gunparts.com or ebay.
I did see an article once about a lawsuit against Davis Arms (now Cobra Ent.) because one of their .380's broke and a piece of the slide damaged someone's thumb and eye. Fact is this has happened with more expensive guns also. There have been tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of these types of "pot metal" guns sold. If they really exploded all the time you would have a lot more first-hand accounts of people getting hurt by them. Also don't forget that even S&W has produced some of these type guns with pot metal slides. That is key. It's OK to make the frame out of pot metal (zamak or zinc-aluminum alloy) but if you make the slide out of this material it is best to make it very thick and robust and probably not wise to go over .380acp on the power scale.
Pot metal slides on .22LR pistols are becoming quite common these days.
I think these so called SNS's have helped some other more prominent gun manufacturer's learn new ways to make their manufacturing processes more efficient.
Now, after all that, if you really believe the gun is unsafe, let me know and I would be willing to buy it for cheap. I'm serious.
ashtxsniper
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If you just fire it a few times it will disassemble itself.
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