Help me decide between a shotgun or a pistol.

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By the way, if an intruder surprises you, it is VERY easy to grab that bulky, low capacity shotgun and either immediately take it out of your hands or hit you and then take it.
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Your going to have to demonstrate that suprisingand taking a low capacity shotgun out of my hands I'll put a primer and paintball in an empty hull. You will have to sign a wavier that I'm not responsible for your injuries .Number one you will not get in my house with out me knowing it number two you would be on unfamiliar ground I can move through my house with a shotgun in total darkness (I practice)


16 oz glass pepsi bottles work better Steve. Put lid on bottle transfer to left hand act like you are going to set bottle down ,act like you are reaching for something in right pocket. side arm pepsi bottle. collect my new knife cut drunks belt to collect sheath that goes with the knife. kick him in ribs one more time so he will remember in morning go on have good time
Disclaimer this happened around thirty years ago. today I would not kick him after he was out and would call ems You pull a knife on me I keep it
Roy
 
Two people want the obvious proven to them. It's real complicated: intruder surprises you and grabs part of that 16 inch + barrel and pulls/twists it away from you.

Something that complicated DEFINITELY requires all sorts of studies and citations :rolleyes:
 
e7grt5,

Your first posts here at THR and TFL have not gone over very well.

At TFL you shared about a suppressed mini-mac for home use.
That does not set well with members at TFL or here on THR from the context and tone of your postings.

You do not realize whom all are members of TFL , THR and other sister sites.
Amongst our family we have those that have written the books on strategy and tactics with using shotguns for defensive needs.
These members assist those in LEO, and Military, including Military going to and now serving in Iraq ,and Afghanistan.

Amongst our members are those that wrote the strategy and tactics in regard to weapon retention, and alleviating a criminal of their weapons.

Tread lightly.

Since you never replied to my challenge, I have my answer.
So the challenge is off.

Regards,

Steve
 
Two people want the obvious proven to them. It's real complicated: intruder surprises you and grabs part of that 16 inch + barrel and pulls/twists it away from you.

Something that complicated DEFINITELY requires all sorts of studies and citations
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Look, it's simple. If what you're claiming is so OBVIOUS and TRUE, there should be tons and tons of sources backing it up. Right or wrong? I'm giving you an opportunity to prove me and the rest of the other commenters here wrong. All you have to do is post TWO verifiable instances where an intruder was able to disarm a home owner of their shotgun during a home invasion. Two sources. It's that easy.

Real arguments require real evidence to back them up, otherwise they're known as wishful thinking or anecdotes. Neither of which means jack when you're trying to get people to take you seriously.
 
e7grt5
first you will not get into my house without one of my four dogs alerting me. one of those dog bark I'm wide awake .Number two as I said before I can move though my house in total darkness you would be on unknown ground (dealing with the dogs) number three you get past the dogs and manage to get hold of the barrel of my gun who's on the other end? I and 5'11" tall people like dotors and such guess my weight at 250 or so I weigh #300 I have swung pipe wrenches for the last 24 years you ain't going to just twist it out of my hands plus I have some military training and hung around some bad areas I can handle myself fairly well. you are talking to people that have been around the block a time or two not a bunch of teenage Mall ninji's . read listen and learn and you might survive an incounter with a bad guy continue with the I know it all attitude and you could very easily get youself killed.
My wife and I have burried a child, it hurts like hell. I don't want your parents to go through that
Roy
 
By the way, if an intruder surprises you, it is VERY easy to grab that bulky, low capacity shotgun and either immediately take it out of your hands or hit you and then take it.
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:rolleyes:Just be sure to avoid a full-sized 1911 if you get a pistol. It's very easy for an intruder to grab that big 6" slide and remove it, making the low-capacity .45 inoperable. I saw Jet Li do it in Lethal Weapon 3. So it's an obvious poor choice for HD. :rolleyes:

Shirley, the very fact that you admit that training is required in order to merely maneuver a bulky shotgun inside the house proves my point.
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Training and/or practice. Which I hope we all do with a pistol as well.
 
Since you've already got two pistols, the next choice should be a shotgun. Nothing more authoritive than the racking of a shotgun.
 
Shirley, the very fact that you admit that training is required in order to merely maneuver a bulky shotgun inside the house proves my point.
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Wow, what a profoundly ignorant statement.

You don't practice with your firearms? Not sure I'd admit that in public.
 
e7grt5,

This thread began with a simple request for suggestion: 9mm or shotgun. The responses overwhelmingly are in favor of the shotgun. Many of these responses come from men and women who have vast experience as LEOs, military, and life in general.

A shotgun is not useless, it is not easily removed from your hands, and it's great for clearing your house. My question was not because I ignore these qualities of a shotgun but because I was trying to convince myself and muster support in favor of buying the Bersa.

I've been reminded, cordially, that the logical decision is to get the shotgun over another standard size 9mm.

I hope you too learn something from the cumulative wisdom so freely shared by all the posters.
 
H&K mp5K is the best weapon (full auto version)
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Doc,

I can't agree. The H&K is overly heavy for what it is, and even for those with the funds and potential need for FA, is being phased out because of the tendency of 9x19mm ammunition to overpenetrate building materials and fail to penetrate body armor.

e7grt5,

"Lack of training" = "don't know what you're doing". I'm not saying that everyone has to attend some big name school to learn how to use a firearm defensively, but some instruction from a qualified instructor is definitely helpful. Your comments just reflect ignorance.

John
 
gallo,

I am sorry your thread took some serious drifts and I apologize for adding to the drifts.

I appreciate your patience and understanding with your thread.

Some very good information was shared.

What do you think about having Staff edit posts , including mine, and locking this thread, so in the future when folks do a search, there will be quality information to be gleaned?

Self Policing if you will.


Regards,

Steve
 
SM,

Your post have little hidden gems between the lines and are most welcome. I'm fine if the Mods decide to edit and lock this thread. I think it has run its course.

Thank you
 
Other than zombie fantasies or the fantasy of "racking the slide to scare the heck out of an intruder," a shotgun is almost useless. It's a big oversized "friend impresser" but that's about it. Taking a shotgun on a shooting trip is bulky and boring. People rush to buy shotguns because they are cheaper brand new than most new handguns.
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Whoa! Finally an expert that knows what they're talking about....probably a proponent of common sense guns like AR-pistols and supressed subguns....don't forget the nuclear hand grenade, which makes a hole in the ground 75' across and 25' deep....being an expert, I'm sure you'll work out that little problem of only being able to throw the thing 50'....keep up the great posts....we can all learn from you.
 
Hey, gallo, I've always had quite a few guns around the place....1911's, SAA's, copies of both, various DA revolvers, both big bore and rimfire, rifles both bolt and self-loading, small bore shotguns/pistols, etc etc....the one I always grab when concerned is the 12ga pump....I live in the middle of nowhere, the only law about 45 miles north....the 870P is a great comfort, and very useful/fun for chores/hunting.....expand your horizons after you get the one gun you should never do without....large bore smoothbores have ALWAYS been the most versatile firearm, from indian northwest tradegun fusil, to the shotgun that tamed the west (and it was farmers/ranchers with shotguns that truly settled this country, most folk couldn't afford fancier guns)....
 
It's a game getter, repel boarders, poor man's elephant rifle....I've had many fancy guns, military and otherwise....my 870P is my favorite "assault rifle"...the 18"cyl bore will suprise you with #00 patterns out to 30yds....several weeks back, a security guy from my base was at the range with his tricked out AR, and he was quite good with it...I jokingly challenged him to a chamber-empty drag race, the first guy to put eight or more holes in the 30yd torso target the winner....I had nine holes before he finished charging/aligning his weapon.

Now, if you want the Bersa, just get the darned thing....always buy what you want....otherwise, you end up getting it later, at higher price, maybe selling something else at a loss....
 
A shotgun with 5 #6 shells in it should be all you ever need for HD and the shot is less likely to kill one of your kids or neighbors if you miss. (IMHO)
 
Two people want the obvious proven to them. It's real complicated: intruder surprises you and grabs part of that 16 inch + barrel and pulls/twists it away from you.
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Spoken like someone who's never been beat about the head and shoulders ( and other parts of the anatomy ) with various surfaces of a long arm.

For the record, the laundry list of potential injuries a person is apt to get from trying to take even an empty shotgun away from a person that knows how to use it is a long one. Figure a couple of rounds of ammo in there, and things get downright messy.

Anyway... I'd certainly pay good money to watch e7grt5 try to disarm any one of several people here. It would at least be entertaining, I'm sure. Brief, but entertaining none the less.


J.C.
 
Wow. Some folks got some interesting viewpoints.

I think I still remember how to smack somebody with a club. Yep, I do. So, my shotgun or my AR are a funny shaped club that Uncle taught me how to smack people with in real special ways. Ain't taking my gun. Pain will ensue.

Steve, you're a peach. I love reading posts where you're showing people they put both their legs in the same pantleg this morning. :D

Gallo -- if you've got a pistol, get a longarm. If you've not got a pistol, then pick the one you need most. Good luck.
 
By the way, if an intruder surprises you, it is VERY easy to grab that bulky, low capacity shotgun and either immediately take it out of your hands or hit you and then take it.
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Heh. You're serious?

Ok, lets say you surprise me and grab the barrel of my shotgun, and attempt to wrest it away from me. At this point, you run into your first problem: I have a solid grip on the both the forearm and the butt of the gun, making it very difficult for you to keep hold of the barrel, let alone take the gun away from me. Now I step backwards, and my momentum and the leverage afforded to me causes the barrel of the shotgun to line up straight with your sternum.

So lets review: I have a superior grip on the firearm, you're trying to hold onto the barrel as I backpedal, and now you've got a .729 caliber hole pointing at your chest, with only a twitch of a finger preventing 9 rounds of .33 caliber 00 buckshot from getting extremely well acquainted with your chest cavity.

Not exactly the best position to be in.

And as for hitting you and taking away from your gun: they could do that with a pistol, to. The trick is not getting surprised in the first place.
 
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