Help me pick an air rifle/pistol combo

[D.B. Cooper]

Okay. I'm doing it. With the local gun ranges shut down indefinitely, I'm going to set up an indoor (garage) air range to be able to continue to practice while on lock down.

I've got 15 ft to the wall. I'm looking for a rifle that is accurate enough for quality training/practice in what, essentially, would be 10M Air Rifle. (I Shoot NRA High Power/Service Rifle, so I want to work on those positions specifically.) I probably want a multi pump rifle, so I can dial it down in regards to velocity. (Although, if a springer produces velocities low enough to not punch through a garage door then that's okay.)

For a pistol, I'm a little conflicted. I could just go with some sort of multi pump air pistol and wrk on sight alignment and trigger control. ORRR I could go with a CO2 replica gun. My main handgun, that I shoot the most is a Ruger Redhawk, followed closely by a S.A. XD-E. This might be more "realisitc" practice. Which path should I go (pump vs CO2) and What gun would be best for that purpose.

 

[George P]

What about a PCP with adjustable pressure?

 

[D.B. Cooper]

What about a PCP with adjustable pressure?

Hadn't thought of that, but hadn't really considered PCP just because I don't want to have refill an air tank. (The scuba shops are shut down by the quarantine.)

 

[troy fairweather]

I have a older one of these, has more metal and maybe better sights then the new one's. But mine is very accurate, even killed some small game with it, I have the 22 version tho. I know there are some revolver pistols I had a s&w and a python copies when I was a kid.

I don't know much about air rifles but like to try that ruger 10-22 copies they have.

https://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-p1377-air-pistol-brown.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020845512

 

[Kookla]

If you don't want to spend a lot of money, and if the cmp still has them, go with a daisy 853 for $115. Think that's the price for a used one. New, you could look at the daisy 753. Velocity is low. They are single stroke pneumatic air rifles. That, pellets and a tube of pellgun oil and your set.

 

[troy fairweather]

I shot a few 300s with the daisy when I was in jrotc air rifle team before I went to a walther. I'd like to get one someday.

 

[Kookla]

For pistols, crosman's 2240 series is good, c02. There's a single stroke pneumatic air pistol from beeman called the p17 that's supposed to be really good.

The p17 is a copy of the beeman p3, which is very similar to my beeman p2 which I'm very pleased with.

 

[George P]

Hadn't thought of that, but hadn't really considered PCP just because I don't want to have refill an air tank. (The scuba shops are shut down by the quarantine.)

Do you have a really good air compressor at home?

If you have a decent backyard, most places do not consider an air rifle a "firearm"; I shoot mine into a target trap that is a cardboard box with 5 plastic lids from 5 gallon pails
I use a RWS 34 springer and it is a lot of fun; but if I had to do it all over again, I would have gone with a .22 air rifle

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I have a older one of these, has more metal and maybe better sights then the new one's. But mine is very accurate, even killed some small game with it, I have the 22 version tho. I know there are some revolver pistols I had a s&w and a python copies when I was a kid.

I don't know much about air rifles but like to try that ruger 10-22 copies they have.

https://www.airgundepot.com/crosman-p1377-air-pistol-brown.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1020845512

Yeah, I once had a 1377 as well. Little muzzle heavy. The rifle is essentially what is used in CMP's Sporter Class for 3 Position 10M Air rifle. If you could swap out the front sight for a ramp, it would match up to my M1sights halfway decent.

 

[Ernie Bass]

TX, Weilrauch, Walther, Air Arms, RWS Diana,

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Do you have a really good air compressor at home?

If you have a decent backyard, most places do not consider an air rifle a "firearm"; I shoot mine into a target trap that is a cardboard box with 5 plastic lids from 5 gallon pails
I use a RWS 34 springer and it is a lot of fun; but if I had to do it all over again, I would have gone with a .22 air rifle

This needs to be an indoor set-up. I do have an air compressor, however it has a rust hole in the tank. It will build and hold 120 psi, but the motor runs non-stop. Good enough for airing up tires, changing tires, running shop tools etc etc. I'd have to put a filter on the line to prevent crud getting into the gun. I really hadn't thought of that before.

 

[Ernie Bass]

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[Kookla]

@D.B. Cooper what's your budget for both?

 

[Ernie Bass]

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[dh1633pm]

I purchased a Weilrauch springer but not sure what it would do to your garage door. I am practicing outside. Although rain the last couple days and more today.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

@D.B. Cooper what's your budget for both?

Meh. Couple hundred each, probably top out at about $250-ish. Not more than one would pay for a decent rimfire. I may, however, buy one gun and the range materials first, and then go back and buy the second gun later.

 

[Kookla]

Meh. Couple hundred each, probably top out at about $250-ish. Not more than one would pay for a decent rimfire. I may, however, buy one gun and the range materials first, and then go back and buy the second gun later.

If that's the case, I'd recommend get the Daisy, either the 753s new, or the CMP model used.

If you really want something that's perfect for 15 feet, get a Daisy 499b, it's a target bb gun. Will keep all it's bbs in a dime at 5 yards with avanti bbs. Got three of them, amazingly fun and about $150. Spend the remaining $100 on bbs, you'd be shooting for a long time.

 

[Ernie Bass]

For pistols, crosman's 2240 series is good, c02. There's a single stroke pneumatic air pistol from beeman called the p17 that's supposed to be really good.

The p17 is a copy of the beeman p3, which is very similar to my beeman p2 which I'm very pleased with.

It does not take a lot of money to find a nice air gun to have fun.
The P17 has had a great following for years. One of those Chinese replica's that really got it right. I own two of them. Amazing how they did such a fine job for $35.00 that cost 15 times that. Kookla, word of advice, if you ever run across a Baikal Mdl 60 single shot jump on it with both feet. These Russian guns have almost a cult like following. 6 way adjustable trigger. Have know many guys actually use them for competition and the cost is ridiculously low. They have recently made a US version, but that gun which is a clone just does not cut it. They stopped importing them during the Clinton Admin.

Also a great buy is the Makarov. (not the blow back) BB gun. Nice size similar to the Micro 9mm's and very good build quality I have had one for years and still chrony;s around 400 fps, just like the day I bought it. Also the 1911's are fun to shoot. Some so real they even take real 1911 parts.

A really fun gun for inside like a garage. Also the Walther PPKS.
Mak next to ruger LC9


I bought this 22.cal for $10.00 used. Customized it with a Steel receiver, New Trigger, Lothar Walther Barrel. TKO Shroud. Shoot dead on and so quiet you can only hear the hammer spring when fired.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

If that's the case, I'd recommend get the Daisy, either the 753s new, or the CMP model used.

If you really want something that's perfect for 15 feet, get a Daisy 499b, it's a target bb gun. Will keep all it's bbs in a dime at 5 yards with avanti bbs. Got three of them, amazingly fun and about $150. Spend the remaining $100 on bbs, you'd be shooting for a long time.

Never heard of that gun, but if you hadn't included the link to the article, I would have dismissed as a Red Ryder with fancy sights. Thanks.

 

[George P]

GAMO makes some nice springers for the money.

 

[Ernie Bass]

Never heard of that gun, but if you hadn't included the link to the article, I would have dismissed as a Red Ryder with fancy sights. Thanks.

I have a special report just for this special day. It involves a BB gun, Daisy’s Avanti Champion 499 — also known as the world’s most accurate BB gun.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/tag/daisy-avanti-499-champion-bb-gun/

 

[cslinger]

As far as a compressor goes be aware that even the BEST commercial tool type compressor will not work in this regard. You will need a very specific compressor rated for up to 4500 PSI where typical compressors are what like 120 PSI.

Buy a Weirauch HW30S and an HW75 and you will have two extremely well made, easy to use, accurate guns that will give you pride of ownership, outstanding triggers and more fun then you thought possible. Neither are powerful. You have firearms for powerful. You want light, easy to use and accurate. You will enjoy these as will whomever you leave them to.

chris

 

[Ernie Bass]

For pistols, crosman's 2240 series is good, c02. There's a single stroke pneumatic air pistol from beeman called the p17 that's supposed to be really good.

The p17 is a copy of the beeman p3, which is very similar to my beeman p2 which I'm very pleased with.

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Buy a Weirauch HW30S and an HW75 and you will have two extremely well made, easy to use, accurate guns that will give you pride of ownership, outstanding triggers and more fun then you thought possible. Neither are powerful. You have firearms for powerful. You want light, easy to use and accurate. You will enjoy these as will whomever you leave them to.

chris[/QUOTE]

Agree, and these are guns you will hand down to your kids and their kids. The HW30 or Beeman R7 has a reputation for being shot more often even by folks like myself that have a lot of upper end guns. I have a vintage Santa Rosa that was actually tuned by owner of Vortek. He used my guns to design the Kit for the R7. About as smooth as you will ever see and quite. The weird part is that it actually increased velocity.

The price of $279 at AOA is worth saving up for . A very great price for a HW. Then move up to the HW50. If you buy a cheap Springer now, and get into the sport you are going to get one in the future anyway.

If I was decided on a less expensive gun, the one choice would be the Stoeger. They make some fine products. Solid.

 

[cslinger]

My HW75


One of my HW30's next to a Ruger 10/22. The HW30 is a FAR nicer rifle.
This was just some off hand plinking at like 20 yards.


Here is another HW30 with a rested 10m group. Yes that is 6 shots in one hole. Yes I was sweating those last couple shots.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Pyramid Air is a great shop and they may be able to also give some input. There is a new Air Venturi pistol out that is worth a look. The P17 mentioned before is a great buy but you may not be happy with it as they can be a little low on the QC at times.

Air compressor will not do PCP's unless you have a 2nd high pressure one connected to it. I would stick with springers in this case for simplicity. Not a fan of CO2 as they have failed me too many times over the years.

I would go .177 for your use case, don't need a .22 for indoors. Quality does go up with price so don't go too cheap or you won't be happy in the long run.

If you want sights on the rifle that will limit options some. Pyramid has a good search tool to help.