High Capacity Carry Piece with Longer Barrel

[.455_Hunter]

What threat matrix supports a lower capacity gun of the same size as a higher capacity gun that is easier to reload? I don't remember that in linear algebra.

Is it the the eigenvector of a good neighborhood matrix? We going down the nice neighborhood rabbit hole, yet again?

No. It's called lack of situational awareness, lack of realistic threat understanding, and lack of opening of eyes beyond what "recognized trainers" like to cover in their pontificating.

 

[westernrover]

The only justification for your choice of a G19 is how the low weight and small size make it less burdensome to carry. There's nothing else unique to it that makes it a better weapon to fight with than something bigger, heavier, with a longer barrel and a more stable platform for a larger sight. The G19 has been popular for exactly the same reasons the aluminum snubby has been, and for no better reason.

 

[Kleanbore]

Threat matrix differences are absolute drivers for defensive armament choices.

The potential impact of the likely differences drives little. We can reasonably assume that the vast majority of civilian encounters will involve somewhere between one, two, or three attackers, and that no one can predict which. We can predict problems in parking lots, gas stations, and at alley openings.

 

[GEM]

Explain realistic threat analysis. That sounds like just throwing around a term for nice neighborhood. Situational awareness refers to avoiding a conflict usually, not what happens if the fight starts.

Are we going down the 3,3,3 always happens, the bad guy runs away story? Most DGUs have no shots fired. Carry no ammo and be situationally aware!

I didn't expect we would do the same old revolver story so soon.

BTW, have folks seen trained folks shoot Glocks or similar guns. They don't have any real handicaps compared to a SW Model 19 for instance. That's just BS.

 

[.455_Hunter]

GEM and Kleanbore- You guys are completely out of your element sometimes. Expand your thinking beyond the ATM in the convenience store parking lot. It's a big world out there.

 

[bangswitch]

Oh, yawn - a mild attempt at humor in the endless "I carry a revolver" - give me an attaboy set of threads. Since I'm older, but carried since I was younger, I don't believe in the gun as a fashion accoutrement but an instrument of deadly force with the most utility for a mode of carry, the larger revolvers aren't optimal. Can't beat the G19s or similar guns for the reality of an optimal gun with current technology.

I've carried an SW Model 19 - great gun. I like it but comparing carrying it vs. a Glock 19 or even a 1911 for an optimal gun in more than the one opponent scenario which hopefully goes well, there's no contest.

Let's do this again. Maybe the BP OC crowd will chime in. Let's see another square range group.

The RDS debate is being empirically tested. I know folks doing that with proper human factor analyses.

Most people carry what they're comfortable using and have experience with, and the OP of the thread was clear about that. Which is why I proposed a snubnosed revolver. I do carry my M66 at times, depends on what I feel like strapping on at the time, but generally, I collect revolvers, and carry semiautos. I'm not overly concerned with weight, the difference between a single stack Commander size 1911 and a polymer framed double stack of the same caliber isn't enough to argue about. I'm not a big proponent of high-capacity guns, either; I don't foresee meeting the zombie apocalypse and needing 14-15 shots before reloading, and a 8-10 round gun with a spare magazine is just as handy, or even a 6-shot with an extra speed loader.

For comparison of size, my three most compact handguns aren't very much different in size, but they vary quite a bit in firepower: the SR40c is my standard CC.

 

[ontarget]

This has gone waaaay off track.
I think the OP was asking about holsters.
He clearly stated that he is comfortable carrying a 38 Spl revolver. And he wasn't asking for advice on which auto loader would be better than his revolver.
IMHO most of the arguments in this thread belong in the tactics, strategy, and training sub.
I understand the viewpoint of our certain members who strongly disagree with the use of a revolver for EDC, but that viewpoint is not pertinent to this particular thread and makes it difficult for the rest of us to gain any knowledge in the subject as started by the OP.

 

[Pat Riot]

This has gone waaaay off track.
I think the OP was asking about holsters.
He clearly stated that he is comfortable carrying a 38 Spl revolver. And he wasn't asking for advice on which auto loader would be better than his revolver.
IMHO most of the arguments in this thread belong in the tactics, strategy, and training sub.
I understand the viewpoint of our certain members who strongly disagree with the use of a revolver for EDC, but that viewpoint is not pertinent to this particular thread and makes it difficult for the rest of us to gain any knowledge in the subject as started by the OP.

Thank you. You pretty much summed up what I was going to say.

The OP has decided what he is going to carry and wants recommendations on carry options.

I am interested in hearing what folks have to recommend as well.

 

[Tallball]

Thank you everyone for your kind words.

I was mostly thinking about times when I drive my dog to the nearby lake and creek to walk around or maybe fish a bit. Sometimes my daughter hikes with us.

I've never seen more than one or two people out there, and that's rare. Some of them have been a bit sketchy-looking, though, and there are snakes and critters. My dog is a large pit bull mix. but I still like to have a revolver with me.

I'm thinking about getting a thick belt and good holster that would be comfortable for the walking and driving parts.

The Model 82 is a humble weapon. One of its purposes was as a military/LEO sidearm in smaller countries like Thailand. Taurus made a bazillion of them. Mine probably cost $199 brand-new in 1992. That being said, I won't mutilate it needlessly or carelessly. If and only if I end up carrying it regularly in a holster that doesn't require the hammer for retention will I remove the hammer spur.

I finally remembered that I have an old leather duty holster in my safe that fits a my Rossi 720. It will probably fit this one, too, so I can get some practice carrying in the near future. IIRC, that holster does require a hammer for retention.

Thanks for the advice on belts and holsters.

 

[Kleanbore]

GEM and Kleanbore- You guys are completely out of your element sometimes. Expand your thinking beyond the ATM in the convenience store parking lot. It's a big world out there.

Mr. Hunter, we have had that discussion before. Your point is valid. But the OP did not mention bears.

 

[Kleanbore]

I think the OP was asking about holsters. He clearly stated that he is comfortable carrying a 38 Spl revolver. And he wasn't asking for advice on which auto loader would be better than his revolver.

He said that he carries a .38 in a pocket holster, and he wondered about the idea of carrying something with a longer barrel and higher capacity. He mentioned the possibility of belt carry under a cover garment.

My Performance Center 686+ with a 5 inch barrel might fit that spec, but the OP added a size limitation that rules that one out. GEM pointed to a Glock that would fit the need. GEM is extremely knowledgeable of self defense, and he emphasized the advantages of capacity.

There have been some good suggestions on holsters.

 

[ontarget]

He said that he carries a .38 in a pocket holster, and he wondered about the idea of carrying something with a longer barrel and higher capacity. He mentioned the possibility of belt carry under a cover garment.

My Performance Center 686+ with a 5 inch barrel might fit that spec, but the OP added a size limitation that rules that one out. GEM pointed to a Glock that would fit the need. GEM is extremely knowledgeable of self defense, and he emphasized the advantages of capacity.

There have been some good suggestions on holsters.

I just reread the OP.
His idea of higher capacity is going to a 6 shot as opposed to five. His idea of a longer barrel is 3 inch as opposed to his normal 2 inch Snub.
The OP has also already chosen his new weapon.
This means that derailing the thread by recommending he consider ANOTHER option (semi auto) is just that. Derailing.
The opinions of you, and others, are valid.
I'm not questioning your knowledge, experience, or choice of SD weapons. I personally recently switched from a revolver to a HiCap 9mm for EDC.
None of that is pertinent to a thread asking about holster options for a 3 inch Taurus revolver.

 

[Kleanbore]

His idea of higher capacity is going to a 6 shot as opposed to five.

He said "more than five rounds".

The OP has also already chosen his new weapon.

He had bought one, but he still planned to see how it shoots.

More power to him in his choice.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Mr. Hunter, we have had that discussion before. Your point is valid. But the OP did not mention bears.

Predatory animal defense is just part of my threat assessment. Based on my direct personal experiences, potential two-legged defense in highly remote areas and at extended ranges are also significant data points. There may not be "good" or "bad" neighborhoods, but there are absolutely "different" neighborhoods. Some people spend most of their time in those "different" locations, and the vast majority of tactical training and pontification choses to ignore that alternative scenarios even exist.

With regards to the OP's selection of a revolver, I offer the following...

Until last March, our most recent local LE death had occurred when her high-capacity 9mm handgun jammed in a shootout and she was executed hiding under a car. Somebody familiar with the unfortunate event could absolutely view it as why they want a revolver, and would have just as valid of a justification as a "what about multiple attackers?" viewpoint. Are there any documented cases of where Joe Concealed Carry Citizen (not LE or a business owner/employee) out in public ever "lost" an engagement due to being armed with a revolver or low capacity semi-auto?

For the OP, I would suggest a high-carry variant of the OWB pancake- either from a recognized maker, or have one done locally. A retention strap could also be added for higher security.

 

[Kleanbore]

Based on my direct personal experiences, potential two-legged defense in highly remote areas and at extended ranges are also significant data points.

Also a valid point.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I've become kind of partial to the 1791 belts. They keep my pants up. With a good set of suspenders and one of their wide carry belts, I can walk all day carrying a 6-1/2" Blackhawk on my hip and not lose my britches.

I am older and uncomfortable with modern technology such as fire and agriculture