High Point A Cheap Unreliable Gun?

[makarovnik]

I like Hi-Points too but enough already with the Hi-Point threads.

 

[Mp7]

i guess if someone in communist bloc had gotten to producing
a good S&W copy in .357 that you could get as surplus for 99$
that would be in everyones toolbox.

there isn´t.



like the vids!
a sticky, definitely.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I've paid four to six times as much for handguns that still malfunctioned and broke.

 

[1stmarine]

As I said at the begining of the post I am a glock guy but after I saw what Irak Veteran and his buddies did to the HP I have to get one. Just for fun but I need to experience one. I am pretty sure I will not regret one bit of it. It might more accurate of less, more pretty or less but I don't care. Also it looks that when you are out of ammo it makes a great nice heavy piece to through to someone like they did in the video. Even to use as an improvised hammer. LOL!

Is there a model/caliber more reliable than another?. I was thinking the C9 as they were using for the torture testing? It looks that it can take any overpressured load so we might try it to kill griz. bear! lol!

 

[aceman]

Is there a model/caliber more reliable than another?. I was thinking the C9 as they were using for the torture testing? It looks that it can take any overpressured load so we might try it to kill griz. bear! lol!

The C9 is a good choice out of the bunch. The .40 and .45 are quite a lot
larger.

Ps..I like Glocks too

 

[ET]

I guess I'll never get the cheap gun in the toolbox thing
Do you just put one in there and never look at it again?
Do you let it bounce around and get filthy then expect it to work if you need it?
Are you talking a big cross bed toolbox on your truck or just a small type that you carry around?
ET says he wouldn't use one for self defence but would put one in the tool box? Is it to be used as a hammer?

These are good points. I will always carry (or stage in my car) a more expensive gun. The reason I put my C9 in the toolbox out in the garage is because I looked for a place where I seem to find myself unarmed the most often & that place was the garage. So I decided that placing the Hi-Point in a toolbox in the garage might come in handy someday because I could get to it quickly without having to go back into the house. It doesn't bounce around and get beat up, but the garage isn't a climate controlled place in my home. I would never place a more expensive gun out there, but since I already have the Hi-Point I might as well place it where some day it might come in handy. It would be better than not having anything in my hand if I was confronted while working on my car in the garage, since I don't crawl under my car with a gun on my hip. It works well enough that I could count on getting a few shots off. If that situation does come up and I'm standing there with my Hi-Point in my hand I probably will wish I had stuck my 12 gauge pump or a Glock 21 in the toolbox, but as I stated above I would never keep a better gun in that environment. Is that trusting my life to the Hi-Point? Maybe, but I look at it as filling a gap with a gun that fits the need.

 

[Nushif]

Reliable, but could they get any uglier. Shave some material off it and make it not so square, save more money mfg and sell them for $100.

I'd be a horrible fanboy if that was the case. A smaller, well designed and CHEAP pistol that's reliable? Sign me up! I'm drooling at the thought.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

Cheap, yes.
Ugly, yes.
Heavy, yes.
Unreliable... no.

They're extremely simple straight blowback guns. The miracle would be if they didn't work.

 

[Smoovbiscuit]

ha I just posted a thread asking about these, didn't see this one (durr, I'm new to the forum). Well I think I'm just about sold on the c9 for a target pistol (not for self defense, carrying or to show off at bbq's) I'll let you guys know how it works out for me

 

[1stmarine]

Wow. That was quite a response. I hope you guys enjoyed the videos. I thought everyone would like to see them. I love what Irak Veteran does.

We do not need to hear more posts that they are hardy and reliable. As we can see in the videos they are indestructible. In my opinion if they are ugly who cares?... A bullet coming at you is uglier than anything you have seen in your life. Same thing having to shoot someone whatever the reason.

Also I found interesting that someone considers this a great 'tool box' gun. Not a bad idea and if you cannot find the hammer you can use the HP in a pinch!

Also some consider that this would be an everyday gun so we do not scratch the other more expensive guns. I never thought there was a 'Sunday' gun vs. a weekday gun.
I like my guns to be worked out. Internally well maintained but with lots of use. That's the way I know they work great and also means I practice so I get better. Good shooting ability is a perishable skill.

Anyway, this is a nice crew here and we learn a lot.
After seeing IrakVeteran I didn't think much of these little bastards but now I think that I am going to the shop this weekend to get one for fun. For that kind of moola, maybe two?

Cheers,
E.

 

[Rocketmedic]

I'm hoping to pick up a C9 to go with my 45 and get my CZ-52 back from the GF.

 

[notasfancy]

Those were nice videos. Thank you so much for posting them. I am going to look into one of these babys and tell my friends how I saved a bunch of money by switchin to gaiko.

 

[writerinmo]

I posted on another thread about the reliability and accuracy of the C9 Comp and JCP .40 that I have, but thought I would post on here as well about a couple of other things that were mentioned.

I have three reasons why I would not carry a Hi Point, but these shortcomings (IMHO) in no way really effect their ability as a range shooter.

1. Ten rounds? C'mon...

2. If you carry with a round chambered, the firing pin/striker is under full spring tension. If either the tip of the sear or the rear lip of the firing pin fail, there is a high probability of an AD

3. They are bulky as heck. With the 8 round mag, the C9 is almost ok, but 8 rounds? The JCP would be like carrying a cordless drill...I went with the SW40VE with 14+1

 

[russ45]

I don't own one, but a fellow I shoot with owns a 40 caliber. It is accurate and reliable. Clunky and heavy and ugly, though.

 

[1stmarine]

Carry the glock and have the C9 in the toolbox, the car, boat, motorcycle, etc...
Also it looks that you can run any load you want w/o blowing up so it should be good to hunt bear at close range! lol!
I am joking. Don't try this even if the videos do.

 

[MarshallDodge]

I agree with X-Rap. Why is the gun in the toolbox and not on your hip? What good is a lifetime warranty when you are in a dark alley and the gun takes a dump?

Reliability? One of the test guns jammed at about 55 seconds into the video as well as having mulitiple failures to lock back. Typical from what I have seen.

If you like your Hi-Point then fine, have fun with it, but please don't think you got any more than a $150 pistol when you bought it.

 

[X-Rap]

I also hear them called good range guns or guns that are fun to shoot. That logic also excapes me, why do I want to burn up my ammo with a gun I won't carry unless it is an uber target accurate pistol that would be used in competition. A 22 Ruger or Browning is a fun gun to shoot and often puts meat on the camp table while in the woods.
The HiPoint seems to be a gun that folks just have to invent a reason to own.

 

[okespe04]

My first 9mm was a hi-point C9. It was a great little gun but lacked some major features that other 9mm have these days such as double stack mags and easy take down for cleaning and such. If you just want a 9mm that shoots the C9 will do it.

 

[Smoovbiscuit]

X rap I think you need to think outside the box, not everyone is in the same situation as you. Your logic escapes me, so you only shoot guns that you would carry?

 

[1stmarine]

Smoovbiscuit,
I think you are right. I love to shoot my 'dirty harry' 44 magnum and I am not carrying that gun unless I get a butler to carry it for me.

X-Rap,
I got your point to some degree. I think that everyone should think about buying a pistol they feel good about it. Then train a lot with that pistol and not just with the training ammo but with the mags and carry ammo so you know your pistol likes that combination and you get good at it. Also the pistol is just half of the equation as you need to train drills for carry situations. If you do not do this the brain will freeze and the muscle memory will not be there to take over when you need it.

I open this thread exclusively for fun so people could see how a $150 gun would still fire after all the things they did to it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also lets consider that there are many folks out there that cannot afford a glock, Sig, H&K, S&W and others alike and they might not have another choice nor even really need it.

The decision on what to carry is reserved to the specific needs and circumstances, likes and dislikes of the person carrying. The posts here is something we do just to have fun and people should not take things heart about what they read here although sometimes one can learn something.

I recommend that anyone before buying any firearm see if they can get an opportunity to try it. Most folks at the ranges are very open and will let you take a taste if you are polite, act safely and offer to cover the cost of ammo. Firearms enthusiasts are always open to talk about the pros, cons and opportunities of an specific system. Sometimes we go shooting and spend a lot of time talking about what we are doing or why we are doing or what to try or not to try. It depends on the day but if you like firearms consider yourself a member of the 'social firearms' world that is open for discussion 24x7.

I offer myself if soneone likes to try something before they decide and the same way folks offer me these opportunities all the time. If you want something so much and nobody is around to test a few shots, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet.

Cheers,
E.

 

[MarshallDodge]

1stmarine- I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

Purchasing a hand gun for fun is one thing, purchasing it for self defense is an entirely different scenario. Just purchasing a gun and putting it on a night stand will not automatically make you the winner. You must train with that gun and learn how to use it effectively, something that I have learned will cost you many times more than the purchase of the gun.

 

[triplebike]

1stmarine- I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

Purchasing a hand gun for fun is one thing, purchasing it for self defense is an entirely different scenario. Just purchasing a gun and putting it on a night stand will not automatically make you the winner. You must train with that gun and learn how to use it effectively, something that I have learned will cost you many times more than the purchase of the gun.

Totally agree, no matter which firearm you decide to own, practice is the key. I would rather go against someone with a Kimber that has only shot a mag or two through it than go against someone with a Hi Point that has fired a couple of thousand rds.

 

[marineimaging]

I bought a 9mm carbine and after getting used to it I love it. I also bought a .30-06 Savage with Nikon 3-9x40 for serious hunting so the big one stays home while I take the carbine and Ruger SR9 to the range. I've shot about 500 rounds through it so far and found that one should take advantage of it's plus P rating. I was shooting 115grn but started 124 NATO rounds and it's been rock solid except that the ammo is varying somewhat making me think it was me or the gun. Now the ammo is suspicious. No misfires or misfeeds, just random swaying rounds.

 

[mr.trooper]

If you think a High Point is worth your money "for fun", then go right ahead... but I'm about as sick of threads like this, trying to 'prove' how good HP is, as I am of the Glock fanboy threads.

Will the general populace please stop posting them? It's a matter of opinion, like White Castle burgers - you're never going to convince Ronald McDonald they are any good.

At LEAST make one of this litany a sticky, so they can be merged together.

 

[1stmarine]

I had fun watching the videos from Irak Veteran and his friends shooting the tarts.
What is not fun for some might be for others and viceversa, right?
This post is optional. Not interested in a post? Don't need to stay...move on.
Cheers,
E.