High school punk threatens to stab me, his substitute teacher!
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That is a really sad reflection on today's public schools. I really think kids are so disrespectful and so bold because they are so assured teachers "can't touch them." Back in the day, we had teachers that would physically deal with kids... and there was much more order and discipline then.
Apple a Day
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RH,
Good lord, man! It sounds like the inmates are running the asylum.
Sun Tsu talked about only fighting the battles you can win. It sounds like you aren't allowed to win on that battleground. Do you have another source of income? Could you sub at a different school?
Good luck and come home in one piece. At the end of the day it's just a job and not worth getting busted up for.
Apple
Good lord, man! It sounds like the inmates are running the asylum.
Sun Tsu talked about only fighting the battles you can win. It sounds like you aren't allowed to win on that battleground. Do you have another source of income? Could you sub at a different school?
Good luck and come home in one piece. At the end of the day it's just a job and not worth getting busted up for.
Apple
Snagglepuss
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As a former assistant principal here are my thoughts.
You should not have raised your hands in mock play.
Doesn't matter, he threatened you. You perceived the
"shank" comment as a threat so it was a threat. He would have been immediatly expelled in our district and charged by the police, unless of course he was in some sort of special ed program. That is a whole different situation.:banghead:
You should not have raised your hands in mock play.
Doesn't matter, he threatened you. You perceived the
"shank" comment as a threat so it was a threat. He would have been immediatly expelled in our district and charged by the police, unless of course he was in some sort of special ed program. That is a whole different situation.:banghead:
rageofangels
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And I wonder why Florida has such loose requirements for teacers these days... all you need is a Bachelors and to pass their state certification by passing with a ... 51% is it?
I am sorry that you have to work in such a lame working environment, sir. And I hope that things get much better for you. Have you ever considered trying to maybe sub at private schools where there is not as much chance for this kind of thuggery.
BRING BACK CORPORAL PUNISHMENT, PLEASE.
Maybe Bill and Hillary Clinton could sub for your class so they could "feel your pain" and "feel for the children" at the same time.
So, when I have kids, I guess I'm going to place them in private school. Garr.
I am sorry that you have to work in such a lame working environment, sir. And I hope that things get much better for you. Have you ever considered trying to maybe sub at private schools where there is not as much chance for this kind of thuggery.
BRING BACK CORPORAL PUNISHMENT, PLEASE.
Maybe Bill and Hillary Clinton could sub for your class so they could "feel your pain" and "feel for the children" at the same time.
So, when I have kids, I guess I'm going to place them in private school. Garr.
Lupinus
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they need to bng back the days when yard sticks were good for more ten measuring and pointing. Socity today breeds thugs because it protects them so much and tv crap makes them think they are smart enough to be a real gangsta. Where do you think he learned the term shank? Betting it wasn't in jail.
BTW I was homeschooled starting in tenth grade and the highschool made it as much a pain in the arse ass is humanly possible. To the point (and they didn't tell us this from the start) homeschooled classes wouldn't give me highschool credit and if I choose later on to go back to regular schooling I needed to go back in the grade I left the regular school at, so I could have spent sophmor and junior year in homeschooling and wanted to go back for senior year and nope would have had to go back in the tenth grade. And diploma? Nope didn't get a diploma I got a crappy little piece of paper that doesn't hardly even count as a ged and now I'm having to either get a ged or go through one of those home school high schools and spend over a grand and a few years to get a diploma.
BTW I was homeschooled starting in tenth grade and the highschool made it as much a pain in the arse ass is humanly possible. To the point (and they didn't tell us this from the start) homeschooled classes wouldn't give me highschool credit and if I choose later on to go back to regular schooling I needed to go back in the grade I left the regular school at, so I could have spent sophmor and junior year in homeschooling and wanted to go back for senior year and nope would have had to go back in the tenth grade. And diploma? Nope didn't get a diploma I got a crappy little piece of paper that doesn't hardly even count as a ged and now I'm having to either get a ged or go through one of those home school high schools and spend over a grand and a few years to get a diploma.
Special Education "Protections"? I disagree.
The issue of special education, IEPs, etc, has no protective nature to a student. If the student is "a danger to self or others the protections and provisions of the IEPC shall be set aside. Furthermore, if the student has full understanding of the school's rule in question, and understands that what he or she is doing does not comply with the rule, then the provisions of the IEPC shall be set aside." That is a quote from the student handbook that I wrote, and enforced, in my last principalship.
Over the course of being a principal, I had several Special Education students arrested by the State Police, by the County Police and I even expelled a couple. Suspension was so much more simplified! The 10-day rule simply means reconvene an IEPC and reassess. By the way, in Michigan, the principal is the chair of the IEPC, not the special education teacher.
Doc2005
The issue of special education, IEPs, etc, has no protective nature to a student. If the student is "a danger to self or others the protections and provisions of the IEPC shall be set aside. Furthermore, if the student has full understanding of the school's rule in question, and understands that what he or she is doing does not comply with the rule, then the provisions of the IEPC shall be set aside." That is a quote from the student handbook that I wrote, and enforced, in my last principalship.
Over the course of being a principal, I had several Special Education students arrested by the State Police, by the County Police and I even expelled a couple. Suspension was so much more simplified! The 10-day rule simply means reconvene an IEPC and reassess. By the way, in Michigan, the principal is the chair of the IEPC, not the special education teacher.
Doc2005
Snagglepuss
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Here in Minnesota you would have to prove that the action was not a manifestation of the students disability. If not, then all school rules apply. If the action were due to say emotional/behavioral disability the school is still required to educate the student. This usually ends up with an alternate placement at the cost of the district but not expulsion. I may not agree with this but it is the law here.
MrTwigg
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He commited an assault.
An assault is nothing more than a threat, and is a offense one can be arrested and incarecerated for.
Battery is the actual contact hence: "Assault & Battery".
An assault is nothing more than a threat, and is a offense one can be arrested and incarecerated for.
Battery is the actual contact hence: "Assault & Battery".
Lupinus
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tell that to a personal friend who lost her job insisting for months the school punish one of the boys in her class and was finally fired because the parents threatend a lawsuit. The boy would punch kick spit etc on another boy constantly and since he was special ed and the parents had a fancy lawyer the school refused to do actual suspension or expulsion.
Sad as it is it isn't just the schools reinforcing its the parents. I remember getting whacked upside the head by my mothers friends if I was at their house, then why my mother found out I'd probably get whacked agian, and if it was bad enough and my grandfather found out (father not in picture and lived with grandparents and mother) you an guess that yep, I got anoter few good whacks. Now you don't have to hit your kids, but for the love of god stop with the positive renforcment no punishment make sure you don't hurt their feelings crap.
Sad as it is it isn't just the schools reinforcing its the parents. I remember getting whacked upside the head by my mothers friends if I was at their house, then why my mother found out I'd probably get whacked agian, and if it was bad enough and my grandfather found out (father not in picture and lived with grandparents and mother) you an guess that yep, I got anoter few good whacks. Now you don't have to hit your kids, but for the love of god stop with the positive renforcment no punishment make sure you don't hurt their feelings crap.
SSN Vet
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and this is why...
I break my back (and the bank) to send my daughters to a private school.
In many states....expelling a student (esp. a spec. ed. student) is a very expensive decision for the admin. to make, as they will be paying for a 1:1 home tutor for our little delinquent (know this for a fact as my wife was the tutor).
The whole secular psycho babble philosophy is so concerned about junior's self esteem that they can't see the light at all. And as far as corpral p. goes....they'll send soc. services out to pull the kids out of the home if they get a report that even mom and dad spanked their kid.....
Our public education crowd long ago abandoned the concept of letting kids reap the logical consequences of what they sow. This was a huge disservice IMHO, because guess what.....they'll live in the real world some day and when they pull the same cr@p they've been allowed to get away with for years.....they will be sorry!! Fired, arrested, addicted, beat up, maybe even murdered.
The principle of sowing and reaping is as eternal as the principles of physics. When you try to seperate a young person from the consequences of their actions, you only delay the innevitable and instill a sense of false confidense. Oh, and you'll condemn the future innocent bystanders and victims as well. But since when does our "modern" society give a rip about them.
At my kids school, if you can't follow the rules.....the door is wide open to expell the student. No laws requiring them to give 1,001 second chances.
I'm aquainted with a guy who through unfortunate circumstances (laid off computer guy) is driving a school bus for a private transport company. The drivers regularly request to get the routes and special trips for my kids school, because they don't have to put of with any cr@p ... because the kids have been taught to respect and obey those in authority (both at home and school). When they schedule field trips for the public school, they have two drivers on the bus. One to drive and one to watch the kids (and call the cops).
How long is our society going to coddle delinquents.....remember the law of sowing and reaping.....we'll collapse under the cost of incarceration eventually.
Good thing our socialist, liberal, a-moral government has provided themselves with immunity from lawsuites seeking damages from the fallout of their failed experiments. Otherwise, those innocent bystanders and victims would actually cost something.
Personal example from 8th grade in a public jr. high in Michigan (around 1978). After foolin' around and cutting up in gym class. Mr. J. called me into his office and told me to put my hands on the desk. I was then introduced to his special made paddle (with holes drilled in it to minimize air resistance). Lesson learned....oh so well......don't fool around in gym class and don't ever mess with Mr. J! He was the only teacher in the school who had his kids under control.
I break my back (and the bank) to send my daughters to a private school.
In many states....expelling a student (esp. a spec. ed. student) is a very expensive decision for the admin. to make, as they will be paying for a 1:1 home tutor for our little delinquent (know this for a fact as my wife was the tutor).
The whole secular psycho babble philosophy is so concerned about junior's self esteem that they can't see the light at all. And as far as corpral p. goes....they'll send soc. services out to pull the kids out of the home if they get a report that even mom and dad spanked their kid.....
Our public education crowd long ago abandoned the concept of letting kids reap the logical consequences of what they sow. This was a huge disservice IMHO, because guess what.....they'll live in the real world some day and when they pull the same cr@p they've been allowed to get away with for years.....they will be sorry!! Fired, arrested, addicted, beat up, maybe even murdered.
The principle of sowing and reaping is as eternal as the principles of physics. When you try to seperate a young person from the consequences of their actions, you only delay the innevitable and instill a sense of false confidense. Oh, and you'll condemn the future innocent bystanders and victims as well. But since when does our "modern" society give a rip about them.
At my kids school, if you can't follow the rules.....the door is wide open to expell the student. No laws requiring them to give 1,001 second chances.
I'm aquainted with a guy who through unfortunate circumstances (laid off computer guy) is driving a school bus for a private transport company. The drivers regularly request to get the routes and special trips for my kids school, because they don't have to put of with any cr@p ... because the kids have been taught to respect and obey those in authority (both at home and school). When they schedule field trips for the public school, they have two drivers on the bus. One to drive and one to watch the kids (and call the cops).
How long is our society going to coddle delinquents.....remember the law of sowing and reaping.....we'll collapse under the cost of incarceration eventually.
Good thing our socialist, liberal, a-moral government has provided themselves with immunity from lawsuites seeking damages from the fallout of their failed experiments. Otherwise, those innocent bystanders and victims would actually cost something.
Personal example from 8th grade in a public jr. high in Michigan (around 1978). After foolin' around and cutting up in gym class. Mr. J. called me into his office and told me to put my hands on the desk. I was then introduced to his special made paddle (with holes drilled in it to minimize air resistance). Lesson learned....oh so well......don't fool around in gym class and don't ever mess with Mr. J! He was the only teacher in the school who had his kids under control.
WI too. IEP's do not protect a kid from receiving consequences of the law, just require the district to educate the kid in the "least restrictive environment" for that kid. If a kid is running roughshod over the rights of others, he's not properly placed.
Doc2005, I'd be curious to see how well your handbook stuff held up in court.
Spot on...
I don't quite understand why teachers put up with this behavior from the students or the admin. You guys are really the lifeblood of our future and deserve to be treated as such. I think the only solution would be a future walk-out state wide. They'd have to do something if the teachers refused to teach for fear of their life. All those little 'darlings' running the streets due to lack of available teachers would most certainly get some attention.
MNgoldenbear
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Been teaching 20 years -- mostly full time, some subbing. Your actions were unwise. Your attitude seemed poor as well in your first incident (confrontational). Blocking, if necessary, and simply showing neither fear nor anger would be much more appropriate. Bugs the heck out of them when you simply deal with their garbage, taking appropriate actions, without getting flustered. A relatively flat affect is a formidable weapon with teens trying to push your buttons. That said, I've had similar situations and taken similar actions. It's a tough, frustrating job at times. If you really like it, you find the approaches to problems that work for you. Doesn't sound like the administration or police are very helpful. Principal needs to $h*t or get off the pot. (No, their jobs are not easy either.) In that last incident, I'd like to see what the officers would have done if you tried the same "prank" on them! Good luck, Hawkeye. For the first time in my adult life, I'm thinking of hanging it up.
While subbing, it was my practice to log all incidents (as well as general daily notes to the teacher), giving a copy to the teacher and retaining one. If there was a problem with a student, I also had the office retain a copy, and made certain the principal understood that I had retained a copy (especially if s/he was known for inaction). By all means, report and document. If nothing else, when the kid finally does something major, there's a file showing his pattern, making it easier to get some sort of punishment/judgment.
While subbing, it was my practice to log all incidents (as well as general daily notes to the teacher), giving a copy to the teacher and retaining one. If there was a problem with a student, I also had the office retain a copy, and made certain the principal understood that I had retained a copy (especially if s/he was known for inaction). By all means, report and document. If nothing else, when the kid finally does something major, there's a file showing his pattern, making it easier to get some sort of punishment/judgment.
Otherguy Overby
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When
I'm wondering how soon we'll have a big rise in the need for self-defense on the street. These "kids" aren't going to be in school much longer.
I'm wondering how soon we'll have a big rise in the need for self-defense on the street. These "kids" aren't going to be in school much longer.
I could never teach High School kids. I've had a few run-ins with some of the neighborhood teens. What a bunch of pathetic bullying losers! One kid was throwing rocks in my direction, with a few bouncing just behind me. He was also throwing them at mailboxes and garage doors. I stopped and waited for him to catch up, then turned and marched toward him. When I got within about an inch of his face, I told him that I was not his daddy, (in case you never met your daddy) and I'm not your teacher, and I will kick your A@@ right now. He ran across the street and continued to call me names. One can only imagine how these "kids" treat other kids, when they are willing to treat adult teachers and neighbors in such a manner. I've called the cops on a few occasions as well, but nothing ever happens. The cops are usually just a few years older than the teens, and they grew up here as well...so they have the "kids will be kids" mentality. Luckily, most of the bad ones are now in college...one bad one in particular is in law school now.
silverlance
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my humble 02
I'm 26, 5' 7 165lb. use to be fairly muscular, now just ok. pretty decent with my p228, but nobody knows i own guns.
i too deal with similiar kids. I've had IEP, 504, and I also frequent cover for SDC (special day class). I don't have too much advice, just a few things that I like to remind myself (and I didnt' make them up)
1. I'm not afraid of a single one of these kids. Even the ones that are bigger than me. In the worst case scenario, I get sucker-punched. Then I get days off paid, worker's comp, lots of sympathy, and that cute brunette in Room 202 will buy me a drink.
2. I'm a good teacher. I'm not some lazy, uneducated, drug-using faculty bathroom snorting slob of a teacher who is just "putting in the hours". I might not be a great teacher, but I'm working on it.
3. I'm no frail minded weakling who will go home crying because a student called me a name, made fun of my hair, "dissed" me in class. I'm tough as nails and there isnt' a damn thing anyone can do to make me lose control of my emotions.
I often think that kids are like dogs. they sense fear and uncertainty, and they will gleefully exacerbate the situation when that is present. but - BUT - if you are a cool pillar of chiseled ice from which all insults, slights, and pranks slide off like so much powdered snow, then life is much better.
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besides, there's also room suspension: send the alpha kid to a neighboring teacher's room for the rest of the period. refusal to do so (or to change seat as ordered) is perfect grounds for calling (or sending a messenger from your class or anothers) security and having them drag the kid down to the dean's office.
mainly, though, you're the f** adult. don't let the kids' clumsy attempts to get under your skin actually work.
that said, hawkeye, you sound like a good one and i'm pretty sure that at another place, another time, that moron would've found himself kissing mother earth and wondering why there's the taste of metal in his mouth...
I'm 26, 5' 7 165lb. use to be fairly muscular, now just ok. pretty decent with my p228, but nobody knows i own guns.
i too deal with similiar kids. I've had IEP, 504, and I also frequent cover for SDC (special day class). I don't have too much advice, just a few things that I like to remind myself (and I didnt' make them up)
1. I'm not afraid of a single one of these kids. Even the ones that are bigger than me. In the worst case scenario, I get sucker-punched. Then I get days off paid, worker's comp, lots of sympathy, and that cute brunette in Room 202 will buy me a drink.
2. I'm a good teacher. I'm not some lazy, uneducated, drug-using faculty bathroom snorting slob of a teacher who is just "putting in the hours". I might not be a great teacher, but I'm working on it.
3. I'm no frail minded weakling who will go home crying because a student called me a name, made fun of my hair, "dissed" me in class. I'm tough as nails and there isnt' a damn thing anyone can do to make me lose control of my emotions.
I often think that kids are like dogs. they sense fear and uncertainty, and they will gleefully exacerbate the situation when that is present. but - BUT - if you are a cool pillar of chiseled ice from which all insults, slights, and pranks slide off like so much powdered snow, then life is much better.
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besides, there's also room suspension: send the alpha kid to a neighboring teacher's room for the rest of the period. refusal to do so (or to change seat as ordered) is perfect grounds for calling (or sending a messenger from your class or anothers) security and having them drag the kid down to the dean's office.
mainly, though, you're the f** adult. don't let the kids' clumsy attempts to get under your skin actually work.
that said, hawkeye, you sound like a good one and i'm pretty sure that at another place, another time, that moron would've found himself kissing mother earth and wondering why there's the taste of metal in his mouth...
I'm not a teacher but I do work with juvenile delinquents. I have found that the best way to deal with aggressive behavior is a slightly aggressive but still assertive stance. The kids I deal with know that I am not an unreasonable jerk and that if I am yelling at them they have done something to deserve it. They know that I was a soldier and that I am acquainted with violence and probably able to break any one of them and possibly even several at a time in half, that sometimes feel like doing exactly that, and that I DO NOT DO IT. This approach seems to work and it sets and example for them that most haven't had.
I was attacked by one of them on once. Due to the nature of the job I do, I am not allowed to retaliate or defend myself other than to restrain the offender and that is all I did. After my coworkers had control of the situation I got the bleeding stopped and wound up going to the hospital (my employer made me go).
I was right back at work when I was scheduled to be, bruises and all.
I was expecting to have to start and reestablish my role with the kids I work with by being a little harder on them after this incident but I found that by not responding with violence and by controlling my temper I actually earned a whole lot of respect from the kids. If this is how it works out with a bunch of teenage criminals I can't see how it wouldn't work with a bunch of "regular" teenagers.
I was attacked by one of them on once. Due to the nature of the job I do, I am not allowed to retaliate or defend myself other than to restrain the offender and that is all I did. After my coworkers had control of the situation I got the bleeding stopped and wound up going to the hospital (my employer made me go).
I was right back at work when I was scheduled to be, bruises and all.
I was expecting to have to start and reestablish my role with the kids I work with by being a little harder on them after this incident but I found that by not responding with violence and by controlling my temper I actually earned a whole lot of respect from the kids. If this is how it works out with a bunch of teenage criminals I can't see how it wouldn't work with a bunch of "regular" teenagers.
Vitamin G
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Therapist in an RTF for delinquent teenage girls with drug problems here... 
(But ridicule me not, some of them are QUITE large)
Touch me, and its called an "Upper Torso Intervention"
Try to push past me, and its more of the same.
Curse at me, threaten me, flip me the bird, and its all good. I don't care. I don't even need to call the police. I'll fill out an internal, very simple incident report, and keep a copy. Guess what? The client doesn't even get to document her side of the story and fill it with blame on behalf of the staff.
Try and jump me with your peers, and I'll do whatever I need to do to keep myself safe.
Worst case scenario: I punch a teenager in the head, she bruises, I get childlined for abuse, it comes back founded (which is extremely rare), I can't work with kids anymore, and I go find a government job as a therapist in an adult jail, working monday thru friday 9-5 making 2x as much.
Really though, internal incident reports, if your place of business has them, are just as effective in terms of documentation.
(But ridicule me not, some of them are QUITE large)
Touch me, and its called an "Upper Torso Intervention"
Try to push past me, and its more of the same.
Curse at me, threaten me, flip me the bird, and its all good. I don't care. I don't even need to call the police. I'll fill out an internal, very simple incident report, and keep a copy. Guess what? The client doesn't even get to document her side of the story and fill it with blame on behalf of the staff.
Try and jump me with your peers, and I'll do whatever I need to do to keep myself safe.
Worst case scenario: I punch a teenager in the head, she bruises, I get childlined for abuse, it comes back founded (which is extremely rare), I can't work with kids anymore, and I go find a government job as a therapist in an adult jail, working monday thru friday 9-5 making 2x as much.
Really though, internal incident reports, if your place of business has them, are just as effective in terms of documentation.
Vitamin G, you are from Pittsburg so I think I know where you work. I used to operate under similar rules of engagement with students- where if they swung, we could do anything we wanted to defend ourselves. I’ve seen tough inner city, gang members knocked unconscious when they tried to jump staff. It’s rare, but there are some juvenile delinquent private schools still around where kids get dealt with old school style- but such places are rapidly disappearing in this country due to lawyers, liberals and idiot parents.
I worked at a school for a few years where we could do almost anything physically within reason to correct anti-social or aggressive behavior. The key was it was only "abuse" if there was major injury. I'm not talking about defending ourselves, we could proactively go after kids for verbal or nonverbal disrespect. Thus we could nip behavior in the bud. A kid doesn't usually swing on a staff member right away- he usually builds up to this through a pattern of escalating bad behavior. The weaker teachers and staff are, the bolder and more aggressive kids get. If minor bad behavior isn't neutralized immediately it simply grows into major bad behavior.
Back then, I could sit alone with 70 juvenile delinquents watching a movie(many of them 16, 17 and 18 yrs old- some of the murderers).... and be safer and more in control than any public school teacher.
I really feel bad for public school teachers today. You are a brave bunch. You have a tough, thankless job. Last I checked today's youth was getting worse and worse.
I have visited with many retired teachers. I always ask them what the problem is with today's schools. The answer is always the same. The ability to control the classroom has been taken away from the teachers. The troublemakers know you are not able to touch them so they take you to the limit, leaving the only alternative being expulsion. And this alternative should be used frequently.
NineseveN
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Mace them, all of them.
Ivy Mike
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I'm on my way back to school to be a teacher...or at least I thought so.
After reading this thread and talking to a few others, I think I may skip it and try something else. I don't really remember my high school days (I graduated in 2000) being all that difficult or seeing that many problem students. Physical altercations with other students were at a bare minimum an RPC and most likely a short suspension. The more aggrevated assaults got you expelled and maybe charges would be pressed. Most of the time it was a simple fist fight and the kids took a couple days off and came back straightened out.
Touching a teacher though was bad news and was almost always immediate expulsion. I played football for a couple years and had coaches as teachers for my entire 4 years there. I knew if I started screwing around, I wouldn't get to play and could expect a nasty surprise when I got home. Needless to say, I was well behaved.
Only once in my entire time in HS did I see a student hit a teacher. This kid was always a problem child, but this time he bit off more than he could chew. He punched a wrestling coach right in the gut and found himself in a nasty joint lock while the school police came running. Far as I know, nothing ever happened to the teacher and thats the way it should be.
I don't think I would have raised my fists to the trouble maker from the first post, but I wouldn't have let him off easily either. I probably would have corrected his form right in front of the whole class. Somthing like "Man, I hope thats not how you box for real because you'd get your clock cleaned."
If threatened with a shank, my response would have been "you're not going to do anything but get back to your desk." Anything further is a write-up and a march over to the dean's office. You don't have to be big, just your presence.
After reading this thread and talking to a few others, I think I may skip it and try something else. I don't really remember my high school days (I graduated in 2000) being all that difficult or seeing that many problem students. Physical altercations with other students were at a bare minimum an RPC and most likely a short suspension. The more aggrevated assaults got you expelled and maybe charges would be pressed. Most of the time it was a simple fist fight and the kids took a couple days off and came back straightened out.
Touching a teacher though was bad news and was almost always immediate expulsion. I played football for a couple years and had coaches as teachers for my entire 4 years there. I knew if I started screwing around, I wouldn't get to play and could expect a nasty surprise when I got home. Needless to say, I was well behaved.
Only once in my entire time in HS did I see a student hit a teacher. This kid was always a problem child, but this time he bit off more than he could chew. He punched a wrestling coach right in the gut and found himself in a nasty joint lock while the school police came running. Far as I know, nothing ever happened to the teacher and thats the way it should be.
I don't think I would have raised my fists to the trouble maker from the first post, but I wouldn't have let him off easily either. I probably would have corrected his form right in front of the whole class. Somthing like "Man, I hope thats not how you box for real because you'd get your clock cleaned."
If threatened with a shank, my response would have been "you're not going to do anything but get back to your desk." Anything further is a write-up and a march over to the dean's office. You don't have to be big, just your presence.
confed sailor
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My father taught auto-body repair in the early to mid 80's at a rather poor rural high school in South Carolina. Corporal punishment did still exist, and was most definatly in use (my dad made all the paddles for the school).He told me he was once threatened by a student, who advanced on him; my father picked up a 10 pound sledge and said (his quote) "if you're smarter than you look, you'll go sit down" the student returned to his seat.
My mother who is an elementary media specialist has to deal with these hooligans when they are only 6-11 years old, and they still scare her. The best she can do is go lock herself in the library office.
To be wholly honest and very low road, if some lil brat was to touch my mother, I would drive home and ensure that they never touch anyone or thing again.
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