Ukraine Train
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Modern Marvels: The Magnum. 9pm
The commercial looked pretty sweet, lots of big guns.
The commercial looked pretty sweet, lots of big guns.
History channel tonight...
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Poohgyrr
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Thanks for the heads up. Here in Sacramento it's scheduled twice, 6PM & 10PM. Hopefully we'll see some nice N frames.
Mr Jody Hudson
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THANKS.
Ala Dan
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I'm going to catch it at 2000 hrs tonight CDT!
I've got the VCR set to tape it, also.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life member
I've got the VCR set to tape it, also.
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life member
Bowlcut
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hmmm might have to tune it in. now where is that TiVo i so wanted 
. i swear i need one of those for such things cause i got things i could be doing instead of sitting on the couch
. i swear i need one of those for such things cause i got things i could be doing instead of sitting on the couchKamicosmos
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Just saw it...decent show. More about rifles though...but the army sniper part was pretty cool.
What was the deal with the narrator saying 'Loud and Violent' whenever he was describing a Magnum handgun?
What was the deal with the narrator saying 'Loud and Violent' whenever he was describing a Magnum handgun?
Tamara
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The problem with Tales Of The Gun is that it's, at best, maybe 50% factual.
I annoyed my downstairs neighbour so much with my yelling at the screen that I was eventually put out of doors.
OTOH, we at least got to see some interview footage with Roy Jinks; he does know a thing or two about Schmitties...
I annoyed my downstairs neighbour so much with my yelling at the screen that I was eventually put out of doors.
OTOH, we at least got to see some interview footage with Roy Jinks; he does know a thing or two about Schmitties...
Yeah, there is that occasional factual inaccuracy thing, but at least it doesn't appear to be politically motivated, so I can tolerate it. All in all, I tip my hat to the History Channel for airing all the gun shows. Actually, I probably watch the History Channel more than any other, and it does make me wonder if they have an equal number of errors on their other kinds of programming. Still, kudos HC.
Tamara
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SteelyDan,
Heh.
Warts and all, we call it the Weapons Worship Channel 'round here.
Heh.
Warts and all, we call it the Weapons Worship Channel 'round here.
BluesBear
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Watching it right now.
Several good moments... lots of laughs.
Sniper stuff OK. Nice photography.
.44 magnum is 44/100 of an inch? I'll let that one pass. It would be too confusing to explaine it accurately to the masses.
Anything with more powder is a magnum? More powder than what?
Guy trying to recite Dirty Harry dialogue. Didn't exactly get it right. :banghead:
Col Walker invented the Walker Colt?
Walker Colt is more powrful than Dirty Harry's 6½" 29?
Walker was shooting point blank down the muzzles of Mexican cannons to get them to fire?
Walker was mortally wounded by a Musket Shotgun?
First commercial be back later.
Several good moments... lots of laughs.
Sniper stuff OK. Nice photography.
.44 magnum is 44/100 of an inch? I'll let that one pass. It would be too confusing to explaine it accurately to the masses.
Anything with more powder is a magnum? More powder than what?
Guy trying to recite Dirty Harry dialogue. Didn't exactly get it right. :banghead:
Col Walker invented the Walker Colt?
Walker Colt is more powrful than Dirty Harry's 6½" 29?
Walker was shooting point blank down the muzzles of Mexican cannons to get them to fire?
Walker was mortally wounded by a Musket Shotgun?
First commercial be back later.
BluesBear
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Guns suitable for pheasant & quail weren't effective on Elephants.
Well... DUH!
Express rifles ensured that large animals could be shot and not worry about charging.
Express rifles had double barrels made of super strong steel so you could fire both barrels at once? What about standard bone SHOULDERS on the shooters?
Magnum was a large bottle of wine. OK agree with that.
They were looking for a fancy new name for a handgun cartridge and decided the name Magnum was catchy? Weren't there Magnum rifles first?
After the commercial, (showing and engraved S&W) "An American manufacturer captures the power of a magnum rifle in a handgun.
Well... DUH!
Express rifles ensured that large animals could be shot and not worry about charging.
Express rifles had double barrels made of super strong steel so you could fire both barrels at once? What about standard bone SHOULDERS on the shooters?
Magnum was a large bottle of wine. OK agree with that.
They were looking for a fancy new name for a handgun cartridge and decided the name Magnum was catchy? Weren't there Magnum rifles first?
After the commercial, (showing and engraved S&W) "An American manufacturer captures the power of a magnum rifle in a handgun.
BluesBear
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Facts are pretty good about the S&W Registered magnum.
First ones in 1935, this one is of recent manufacture, somewhere around 1970 but similar. RECENT? 30 years ago is recent? By that math an original is only just a little older.
"Patton carried a Colt on one hip and a Magnum on the other." Correct
(Except that they never showed him wearing the Magnum.)
But the servicemen would never be able to carry a revolver so big! How big did they think a 1917 was?
Best segment so far though.
First ones in 1935, this one is of recent manufacture, somewhere around 1970 but similar. RECENT? 30 years ago is recent? By that math an original is only just a little older.
"Patton carried a Colt on one hip and a Magnum on the other." Correct
(Except that they never showed him wearing the Magnum.)
But the servicemen would never be able to carry a revolver so big! How big did they think a 1917 was?
Best segment so far though.
C.R.Sam
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Agree...
Bout 50 percent accuracy.
That a lot better than most stuff.
Sam
Bout 50 percent accuracy.
That a lot better than most stuff.
Sam
BluesBear
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Dirty Harry... this guy worked on Dirty Harry and wrote Magnum Force??
It was a HOTDOG he was eating you putz NOT a hamburger.
And just go ahead a point that muzzle at the cameraman as you lay it down.
LOL, little guy handles the recoil of the .454 Casull MUCH better than the tall guy.
I thought the first guy was gonna crease his skull with it.
Dirty Harry... this guy worked on Dirty Harry and wrote Magnum Force??
It was a HOTDOG he was eating you putz NOT a hamburger.
And just go ahead a point that muzzle at the cameraman as you lay it down.
LOL, little guy handles the recoil of the .454 Casull MUCH better than the tall guy.
I thought the first guy was gonna crease his skull with it.
BluesBear
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U.S. Army snipers... with .300 Winchester Magnums, 220 grain spitzer boattail.... REACH OUT AND THUMP SOMEONE!! 
All in all a pretty decent show. I liked it overall.
But why only BIG magnums.
Why no .22 WMR?
Why no .32 H&R Magnum?
And why the hell no .41 Magnum?
There was a brief shot with a photo of Elmer keith but why no mention of him or that the .44 Remington Magnum was developed from the .44 S&W Special? They made a big deal about the .357 coming from the .38.
Oh well. At least it was 100% positive.
And I did like the old B&W movies of the troopers shooting tracers for target practice.
I bought a .30cal ammo can full of U.S. military .38 Special tracers from Ray's about 1978. Lots of fun out of a snubnose. You could watch them just canter out to the targets.
All in all a pretty decent show. I liked it overall.
But why only BIG magnums.
Why no .22 WMR?
Why no .32 H&R Magnum?
And why the hell no .41 Magnum?
There was a brief shot with a photo of Elmer keith but why no mention of him or that the .44 Remington Magnum was developed from the .44 S&W Special? They made a big deal about the .357 coming from the .38.
Oh well. At least it was 100% positive.
And I did like the old B&W movies of the troopers shooting tracers for target practice.
I bought a .30cal ammo can full of U.S. military .38 Special tracers from Ray's about 1978. Lots of fun out of a snubnose. You could watch them just canter out to the targets.
"Walker was shooting point blank down the muzzles of Mexican cannons to get them to fire? "
That isn't what he said, he said breech.
Tamara: I know this might scare you, but I often read your posts and think to myself: that is exactly what I thought. Same here: I was watching this show and thought, this is crap, I ought to shut it off. Then I said to myself, if Roy Jinks is on it, I gotta at least listen to him.
That isn't what he said, he said breech.
Tamara: I know this might scare you, but I often read your posts and think to myself: that is exactly what I thought. Same here: I was watching this show and thought, this is crap, I ought to shut it off. Then I said to myself, if Roy Jinks is on it, I gotta at least listen to him.
BluesBear
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While he was saying breech they were showing the muzzle.
Most people out in TV land wouldn't know the difference.
Most people out in TV land wouldn't know the difference.
timbo
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About the Walker Colt revolver... They actually said that Walker teamed up with Sam Colt to design this revolver.
I thought the show was basically right on a lot of what it said but it was tailored for those that don't know a lot about firearms. They only had an hour to explain it all, I'm sure if they had 2 or more hours to talk about it they could have filled out that amount of time.
I thought the show was basically right on a lot of what it said but it was tailored for those that don't know a lot about firearms. They only had an hour to explain it all, I'm sure if they had 2 or more hours to talk about it they could have filled out that amount of time.
Hutch
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I'm still rather about the claim that the Walker Colt was more powerful than the original .44Mag. I presume the reference that was made to it (the Walker) being eclipsed in the early '80's referred to the Casull. Speaking of that, I thought the big guy with the Casull was gonna use his forehead as a recoil stop! They actually showed pictures of game falling to gunfire, which is about unheard of on major-channel TV these days.
about the claim that the Walker Colt was more powerful than the original .44Mag. I presume the reference that was made to it (the Walker) being eclipsed in the early '80's referred to the Casull. Speaking of that, I thought the big guy with the Casull was gonna use his forehead as a recoil stop! They actually showed pictures of game falling to gunfire, which is about unheard of on major-channel TV these days.Mike Irwin
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In the 1970s some .44 Mag. loads were putting out 1,000 ft. pounds of energy...
What's the bullet weight on a .44 round ball or a conical?
What about the powder charge/velocity for a Walker?
I have a VERY tough time buying this claim.
The .45 Colt of 1873 fired a 255 gr. bullet at roughly 900 fps for just under 460 ft. lbs. of energy.
The original .357 Magnum loads would better that by about 100 ft. lbs.
I know Phil Schrier... He's a nice guy, and he should know better, I'd think...
What's the bullet weight on a .44 round ball or a conical?
What about the powder charge/velocity for a Walker?
I have a VERY tough time buying this claim.
The .45 Colt of 1873 fired a 255 gr. bullet at roughly 900 fps for just under 460 ft. lbs. of energy.
The original .357 Magnum loads would better that by about 100 ft. lbs.
I know Phil Schrier... He's a nice guy, and he should know better, I'd think...
Poohgyrr
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Yeah, they stumbled on a few things, but it was fun, and I got to see some good people and nice engraving Glad I don't have one of those fancy engraved Smith's. I'd want to shoot it.....
Glad I don't have one of those fancy engraved Smith's. I'd want to shoot it.....
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I saw parts of it last night.
Of course they quoted the famous Dirty Harry line. I just wish afterwards they would have admitted that the 44 Mag is not the "most powerful" handgun in the world and that it will not "blow a head clean off".
They also made a claim that those Magnum rifles in the beginning were so powerful because "the bullet could be seen going down range" and the bullet traveled "three times the speed of sound". They failed to mention the same can be said about many non-magnum rifles.
Parts of it seemed like more magnum propaganda.
Of course they quoted the famous Dirty Harry line. I just wish afterwards they would have admitted that the 44 Mag is not the "most powerful" handgun in the world and that it will not "blow a head clean off".
They also made a claim that those Magnum rifles in the beginning were so powerful because "the bullet could be seen going down range" and the bullet traveled "three times the speed of sound". They failed to mention the same can be said about many non-magnum rifles.
Parts of it seemed like more magnum propaganda.
hansolo
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Side B.A.R.(!)
On another "Tales of the Gun", the gangsters of the 20's & 30's and their weapons -- were the subject. I never knew that "...95 lb. Bonnie(of Bonnie and Clyde fame)handled a Browning BAR with the best of them"...until she, and Clyde, were Swiss-cheesed in their car.
On another "Tales of the Gun", the gangsters of the 20's & 30's and their weapons -- were the subject. I never knew that "...95 lb. Bonnie(of Bonnie and Clyde fame)handled a Browning BAR with the best of them"...until she, and Clyde, were Swiss-cheesed in their car.
Ukraine Train
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I thought it was pretty good overall, though I'm not as knowledgable as most of the people here. The guy that wrote Dirty Harry did make we wince though. Between pointing the gun at the camera man and butchering the lines from the movies he made a fool of himself.
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