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Well, I was mostly posting that tongue in cheek, because a lot of people say that sample sizes are too small without actually checking. I've got my old statistics text book buried in storage, so I went to an online tool.

First, what are we sampling? We'll assume US Citizens over the age of 18. Potential voters, in other words. Sure, we don't have any way to know that only US Citizens over 18 voted in the poll, but that's really the least of the problems with that kind of poll. (IOW, I agree it's a frivolous poll. Even more frivolous than one on a network news site.)

Checking the census website, I find that the estimated US population for 2013 is 316,128,839, and that 23.3% are under 18. That gives an estimate of 242,470,819 US citizens over 18.

So, I'll plug that into a sample size calculator. This is just the first one I found online. I'm not vouching for it, but the math isn't really that hard, so I'll assume that if whoever made it can do basic programming, they can do basic statistics.

For a confidence level of 95 with a confidence interval of 5, I get a valid sample size of . . .

384!

Much lower than you'd think. Heck, much lower than I thought, and I knew it was bound to be a low number.

For a confidence level of 99 and a confidence interval of 5, the number is 666. (Yikes!)

For a confidence level of 99 and a confidence interval of 1, the number is 16,640. That's a pretty stiff level for this sort of thing, though. You won't find too many studies or opinion polls attempting this level of confidence, though even some online polls will easily net over 16k responses.

Of course, size is only one measure of whether a sample is valid.

So, sample size can be surprising.

The usefulness of these polls is another matter, but it never hurts to express your opinion on a subject in a non-confrontational format, either.
 
Well, I was mostly posting that tongue in cheek, because a lot of people say that sample sizes are too small without actually checking. I've got my old statistics text book buried in storage, so I went to an online tool.

First, what are we sampling? We'll assume US Citizens over the age of 18. Potential voters, in other words. Sure, we don't have any way to know that only US Citizens over 18 voted in the poll, but that's really the least of the problems with that kind of poll. (IOW, I agree it's a frivolous poll. Even more frivolous than one on a network news site.)

Checking the census website, I find that the estimated US population for 2013 is 316,128,839, and that 23.3% are under 18. That gives an estimate of 242,470,819 US citizens over 18.

So, I'll plug that into a sample size calculator. This is just the first one I found online. I'm not vouching for it, but the math isn't really that hard, so I'll assume that if whoever made it can do basic programming, they can do basic statistics.

For a confidence level of 95 with a confidence interval of 5, I get a valid sample size of . . .

384!

Much lower than you'd think. Heck, much lower than I thought, and I knew it was bound to be a low number.

For a confidence level of 99 and a confidence interval of 5, the number is 666. (Yikes!)

For a confidence level of 99 and a confidence interval of 1, the number is 16,640. That's a pretty stiff level for this sort of thing, though. You won't find too many studies or opinion polls attempting this level of confidence, though even some online polls will easily net over 16k responses.

Of course, size is only one measure of whether a sample is valid.

So, sample size can be surprising.

The usefulness of these polls is another matter, but it never hurts to express your opinion on a subject in a non-confrontational format, either.

I know it was tongue in cheek, and I enjoyed posting my answer because of that!

:)

As for confidence levels and such...polls are heavily influenced/biased by a lot of factors, and not always maliciously so. (Maliscious only comes into play when people are playing around with things in order to get results which support a particular conclusion.)

For example, this string was started out to get people to hit the poll. The poll is posted on a website for "Black Professionals and Small Business News". This website will have a certain demographic of people who frequent it, whatever that may be, and the numbers of people who frequent it determine how widely known it is. How thewe people vote is based on the demographics of the people who frequent (and the few who visit) the site.

We all know that if you were to ask the same question on a well known, very conservative media website you'll get a very different number of people who will tend to vote more heavily towards the conservative beliefs on the matter.

By the same token, we all know that if you were to ask the same question on a well known, very liberal media website, the demographics there will very likely skew it the opposite direction.


By posting this string calling out for people here, who are almost all very much against gun control, to answer the poll, what we've done is skewed the demographic results of this poll...it's no longer statistically representative of the demographics of the people who normally frequent this website.

"Random" samples of small numbers of large populations MAY be statistically significant. But again, what populations and on what subject? Ask 500 people from the Big Apple questions on gun control, religion, sex, politics, etc, and then ask another 500 random people out of an equal sized population of rural people the same questions. See what you get.


"Statistically significant" can mean a lot of things to different people. But at its heart, what it really means is that the sampling is large enough to be truely representative of the characteristics of the population as a whole.

If said population was homogenous, then a sampling of a specific number of any of the people will give you a "statistically significant" result. But since populations are rarely, if ever, homogenous this isn't always true.

;)
 
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Will stricter gun control laws stop the rise of school shootings in the U.S.?
Yes
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No
80%
Total votes: 597
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Agreed, Chief. I'd say most internet polls are fairly useless.

And let's not forget the old "lies, damned lies and statistics." :D
 
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