HK: Because we hate you
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Due to some stances HK has taken on several occasions against the civilian market while having a different stance towards police and military. Even when not required by law, just because you are a mere commoner and not one of "the only ones professional enough."
They also tend to be full of themselves after building a reputation. Some of thier products really are not that different from other products, but because they are HK they charge double, and people pay it.
If anyone then has any problems with thier product, those individuals just must not be sophisticated enough to appreciate thier superiority and they are the ones who are incorrect.
So people have interpreted that as the slogan you speak of. Why? Because we hate you, (peasant.) I believe Correia said something like it ("HK. Because you suck. And we hate you."), and it started being repeated in different places by different people.
HK promote the attitude that there is seperate classes of people, even when laws do not exist on a subject to support that. They project that attitude that has long existed in Europe onto the American market. As a result they actualy help to encourage that mindset, that police and other civilians are different and with seperate rights. Something that was long contrary to American beliefs of equality and balance.
Since we are at a crossroads were that is actualy taking place more often, a company that goes beyond the law to encourage that even more is particularly offensive.
When we are all equal then we all stand side by side fighting for the same rights. Once we are distinct seperate classes, we are on different sides. Ask the police in parts of Europe that walk around with certain firearms if they believe thier citizens should even be allowed to have in thier homes what the LEO are free to walk around with. They will usualy be against it. Once they are held to seperate laws and standards, a divide is created. If they were subject to the same law they would be absolutely opposed to the restrictions for anyone. When subject to seperate laws many in fact support restrictions on others, restrictions they then are tasked with enforcing. The trend to exempt LEO in new gun control and restrictions is increasing, in no small part thanks to the attitudes of places like H&K who go above and beyond.
Changing America for the worse and laying the groundwork for future inequality and oppression.
Yet because of thier very arrogance, they gain even more of an aura of perfection. They won't even let mere commoners buy some of what the law would allow them to, simply because that is thier stance.
So since it is unobtainable to mere commoners and only available to LEO and military, it must be even better right?
Tell some people they can't have it, it is too good for them and those people actualy believe it. It really must be fantastic, and unlike things more friendly companies will sell to them.
They also tend to be full of themselves after building a reputation. Some of thier products really are not that different from other products, but because they are HK they charge double, and people pay it.
If anyone then has any problems with thier product, those individuals just must not be sophisticated enough to appreciate thier superiority and they are the ones who are incorrect.
So people have interpreted that as the slogan you speak of. Why? Because we hate you, (peasant.) I believe Correia said something like it ("HK. Because you suck. And we hate you."), and it started being repeated in different places by different people.
HK promote the attitude that there is seperate classes of people, even when laws do not exist on a subject to support that. They project that attitude that has long existed in Europe onto the American market. As a result they actualy help to encourage that mindset, that police and other civilians are different and with seperate rights. Something that was long contrary to American beliefs of equality and balance.
Since we are at a crossroads were that is actualy taking place more often, a company that goes beyond the law to encourage that even more is particularly offensive.
When we are all equal then we all stand side by side fighting for the same rights. Once we are distinct seperate classes, we are on different sides. Ask the police in parts of Europe that walk around with certain firearms if they believe thier citizens should even be allowed to have in thier homes what the LEO are free to walk around with. They will usualy be against it. Once they are held to seperate laws and standards, a divide is created. If they were subject to the same law they would be absolutely opposed to the restrictions for anyone. When subject to seperate laws many in fact support restrictions on others, restrictions they then are tasked with enforcing. The trend to exempt LEO in new gun control and restrictions is increasing, in no small part thanks to the attitudes of places like H&K who go above and beyond.
Changing America for the worse and laying the groundwork for future inequality and oppression.
Yet because of thier very arrogance, they gain even more of an aura of perfection. They won't even let mere commoners buy some of what the law would allow them to, simply because that is thier stance.
So since it is unobtainable to mere commoners and only available to LEO and military, it must be even better right?
Tell some people they can't have it, it is too good for them and those people actualy believe it. It really must be fantastic, and unlike things more friendly companies will sell to them.
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When having problems with my .40 HK USP they first told me "no +P loads" after shipping it back to the factory. OK so I tried not using +P loads. Still had problems sent it back again and I was informed I was limp wristing it.
OK, but it is funny no problems with limp wristing my Glocks, Sig, Ruger, Paras, Kimbers, S&W .357 snubs,10mm Withness, Berretta etc ..........
I only limp wrist my HK 
NukemJim
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Zoog, everyone in america should hear the underlying message you have there.
There is no equlity. In a land where both the polititian and the officer are supposed to be citizens FIRST, they are now a ruling class.
There is no equlity. In a land where both the polititian and the officer are supposed to be citizens FIRST, they are now a ruling class.
tinygnat219
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NukemJim,
I have to wonder when a handgun customer service person doesn't understand that there is no such thing as "+P" .40 S&W. Kinda makes your head hurt. :banghead:
H&K also has to wonder where its market growth is going to come from. It ain't gonna be from Europe. The USA is really the only market where handguns can really be accepted on a mass market level.
I have to wonder when a handgun customer service person doesn't understand that there is no such thing as "+P" .40 S&W. Kinda makes your head hurt. :banghead:
H&K also has to wonder where its market growth is going to come from. It ain't gonna be from Europe. The USA is really the only market where handguns can really be accepted on a mass market level.
Claude Clay
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near as i can figure as the 40 has been my carry round ( and i been reloading it) since the century changed--the standard load for it is the max load. to +P it would be to make a 10mm round. if their going to not like me: i'm just gonna not like them right back.
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Does anyone have documentation of HKs alleged stance?
It actually makes sense from a business standpoint to focus on police and military contracts. It's a lot easier and more profitable to sell 65,000 guns to the Department of Homeland Security than to sell one gun to 65,000 people. All you need is some big government contracts and you are set.
TexasRifleman
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Our very own moderator Correia coined the "HK, because you suck and we hate you" right here on THR.
Here is a link to the story......
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
Here is a link to the story......
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/
Loosedhorse
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H&K used to be a "boutique" handgun manufacturer. They were making enough on their G3 rifle contracts, so they could decide to be very innovative in their handguns, even if they didn't fill the mass-market need:
HK 4: one frame, four calibers--attractive to folks who like "cool" stuff, or who had trouble getting licensed for more than one pistol (frame)--here was 4 pistols in 1.
P7--like the (Walther) P5 and the (SIG-Sauer) P6, developed for the W. German police trials (after the Munich Olympics). Unique--most folks love 'em or hate 'em--and that becomes the H&K signature.
P9S--fixed barrel .45. They did it just because they could.
VP70--holster-stocked machine-pistol, in the tradition of the Mauser '96: old but new. (Machine-pistol???? Fun, yes--but anyone actually find this useful?). Famous as the first polymer-frame pistol.
Despite the fact that the G3 platform was so flexible (spawning everything from the SP89 to the belt-fed HK21) sales inevitably started to slack, so they put a lot of capital into the G11--whole new concept, caseless ammo not requiring case ejection, etc. It literally blew up in their faces. Put the whole company on the financial rocks.
Change of management. 1991 they became part of British Aerospace/Royal Ordnance, and we got a succession of products (marked by the USP and the SL8) that don't quite seem to match the previous HK concepts. Now it's derivitive (let someone else pay for R&D), focused on lower production costs, designed to sell to mass buyers (bureaucrat-driven PDs), not the aficionado. Add British disdain for civilian armament--and of course German, ah, characteristics (most of which are good, but...).
Royal Ordance sold HK off in 2003, but the company's direction had been set. Anyone these days who goes into a wistful gaze at the mention of "HK" is remembering the older products, not the new.
With apologies to the USP fans out there.
HK 4: one frame, four calibers--attractive to folks who like "cool" stuff, or who had trouble getting licensed for more than one pistol (frame)--here was 4 pistols in 1.
P7--like the (Walther) P5 and the (SIG-Sauer) P6, developed for the W. German police trials (after the Munich Olympics). Unique--most folks love 'em or hate 'em--and that becomes the H&K signature.
P9S--fixed barrel .45. They did it just because they could.
VP70--holster-stocked machine-pistol, in the tradition of the Mauser '96: old but new. (Machine-pistol???? Fun, yes--but anyone actually find this useful?). Famous as the first polymer-frame pistol.
Despite the fact that the G3 platform was so flexible (spawning everything from the SP89 to the belt-fed HK21) sales inevitably started to slack, so they put a lot of capital into the G11--whole new concept, caseless ammo not requiring case ejection, etc. It literally blew up in their faces. Put the whole company on the financial rocks.
Change of management. 1991 they became part of British Aerospace/Royal Ordnance, and we got a succession of products (marked by the USP and the SL8) that don't quite seem to match the previous HK concepts. Now it's derivitive (let someone else pay for R&D), focused on lower production costs, designed to sell to mass buyers (bureaucrat-driven PDs), not the aficionado. Add British disdain for civilian armament--and of course German, ah, characteristics (most of which are good, but...).
Royal Ordance sold HK off in 2003, but the company's direction had been set. Anyone these days who goes into a wistful gaze at the mention of "HK" is remembering the older products, not the new.
With apologies to the USP fans out there.
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Thanks for the link.
armoredman
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See the pictures of all the new guns destroyed per an HK contract?
I don't like HK because they are wrong. I have personally seen LOTS of HK USP pistols fail, and fail BAD. We had 6 on the rental range, when I left 1.5 years later,we had one, the others had failed. Tucson Police Department issued the USP, and every week, the Department armorer would come in from the station across the street, and test fire repaired USPs. It got so bad that TPD dumped HK for Glock. Worst was when an officer came in to fire one during his shift, his duty weapon he was counting on right then - it failed to fire every other round.
The old P7 is an awesome pistol, but company attitudes and cheapening construction makes the premium price simply not worth it, not at all.
I don't like HK because they are wrong. I have personally seen LOTS of HK USP pistols fail, and fail BAD. We had 6 on the rental range, when I left 1.5 years later,we had one, the others had failed. Tucson Police Department issued the USP, and every week, the Department armorer would come in from the station across the street, and test fire repaired USPs. It got so bad that TPD dumped HK for Glock. Worst was when an officer came in to fire one during his shift, his duty weapon he was counting on right then - it failed to fire every other round.
The old P7 is an awesome pistol, but company attitudes and cheapening construction makes the premium price simply not worth it, not at all.
NonConformist
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The same reason I wont support HK any longer is why I wont buy a Colt. They have the same mentality. They still sell neutered rifles exclusivley on their 'civilian' site and you have to go through a distributor or LE dealer to get a Colt 'evil' featured AR and they were very quiet about allowing 'civilians' to have such rifles after the ban.
I hate arrogance and double standard and wont tolerate them!
and in before the Colt Cult jumps me LoL
I hate arrogance and double standard and wont tolerate them!
and in before the Colt Cult jumps me LoL
Gunnerpalace
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There is the problem,
There still is a ban on imports, I plan on doing a counter letter to point out a few problems I will do it when things get straightened out.
ServiceSoon
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Since the quality of H&K weapons are so good you won't need to call customer service
armoredman said:
That's one reason right there.
See this thread: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=396766&highlight=shocking+pictures
Any company that wants you to destroy 6500 perfectly new and valuable handguns so they can sell you their guns ... is not worthy of business.
And other companies that care about selling to us civilians work around that.
Or they build their stuff over here, so they can get around the import restrictions.
If I am not mistaken, HK has a plant here in the US. If they really cared about selling to civilians, they'd start producing firearms here for sale. There's enough HK admirers like you who would buy their stuff, or well, anything with the hallowed two letters stamped on the side.
Nugilum
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The classic picture from MTMilitiaman
Gunnerpalace
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Right now would you invest several million dollars into US tooling?
November, after that if it goes good I think they will try the 416 if bad well you know.
Who said I own anything HK or like them, I just am a fan of truth.
ColinthePilot
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I started out not liking HK because I couldn't find anything in their pistols to justify the cost. As I got more educated about quality firearms, I realized that its not about cost, its about attitude, especially in the gun industry. I pay more for a Sig than I would have to pay for an H und K. And it goes bang every time, and Sig doesn't think I suck; they actually like me quite a bit. Their customer service department has returned emails about products they haven't released yet (P250 questions a year ago) and pistols they don't make anymore (P6) within 24 hours. I'm just a little bit short of being a Sig Fanboy.
110% agree with you! Matter of fact the strongest opposition LEOs have ever given to gun control laws here in the US was the Lautenberg Amendment. I never forget the one line I read at the FOP Grand Lodge's website a few years ago: "For the first time in gun control history" just stuck in my mind.
As for HK many of you know here I have shot several of their pistols and I'm still waiting to be impressed. If any of you have read Correia's blog where he states a Makarov has a better trigger than HK pistols. That is not an understatement or fallacy either it is dead true!
There is no reason for HK to have that attitude. Right now I can buy a SIG 556, PS90, PS2000, SAIGAs and VZ-58s not to mention FN is bringing the SCAR. FN even is selling 50 round mags to civilians. How is that so and I can't get a G36 or standard cap mags? No 16 inch MP5? There is no excuse for that.
To add insult to injury none of those companies making those firearms has ever freaked out when a civilian acquires non-NFA parts from one of their rifles like how HK had a conniption fit when people sold off HK416 uppers.
One last thing how come HK doesn't try to support competition shooters? SIG does, Glock does (GLOCK even created their own shooting competitions, even an NRA application included in with each pistol), CZ etc yet where is HK? The argument about our laws restricting them from supporting us and delivering the firearms we want just went out the window there.
I know who sucks and it isn't me.
mgregg85
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I'd like to own a P7, thats about it.
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