HK "LEM" vs. Para Ord "LDA" triggers

[wardog]

Considering a USPc, P2000, or Para Ord LDA for CCW. Starting to be convinced that a consistent trigger pull rather than DA/SA transition is a good thing. (The gun will be worn IWB, and for this type of carry I prefer DA, with a manual safety if the DA is very light.)

A dealer at a show let my dry fire a PO LDA, and it felt pretty good. What does the LEM trigger on the USP or P2000 feel like? How does it compare with the LDA? On the USPc LEM, is the safety lever removed, or is it still there to use?

Thanks,

 

[rauchman]

Wardog,

I've never fired the LDA, but have handled one at a gun shop. At the time, I thought it was a great trigger for what it was. It is exceptionally smooth, with a trigger weight a little heavier than than a typical single action pull. It was noticeably nicer than your standard Glock trigger, if that helps.
The LEM I actually have tried. One the local gunshops has HK day every once in a while. They had a USPc.40 with the LEM trigger. Again, like the LDA, it was very smooth with a pull weight a hair more than your typical single action. I understand on the HK, you can get a variety of trigger spring weights. From what I remember, I believe you can get it as low as a 4.5 lb trigger pull. I think it comes with a pull weight of around 8 lbs. I don't remember for sure, but I think it still comes with the safety.

Hope this helps.

 

[10-Ring]

No safety on the LEM equipped pistols. I have shot both & maybe it's my HK bias speaking but I preferred the LEM over the LDA but only marginally.

 

[BerettaNut92]

10-ring did you ever LEM out your gatzz?

 

[Smurfslayer]

Reset!

One important difference in the LDA and the LEM is the trigger reset distance. The PO is more like a double action only, you must allow the trigger to go all the way forward for the next shot.

The LEM is a very, very short reset, equal to, or better than the p99 by a slight amount. I have the 'low trigger weight' LEM and it is ridiculously fast to get into action. Essentially, what happens is you squeeze the LEM trigger, finding next to no resistance until you get to rear 1/4" of travel - just where the follow up shot will reset at. The pull increases here, and breaks cleanly and consistently. You then ride the trigger forward an incredibly short distance and the gun is again ready to fire.

HTH

 

[10-Ring]

I'll prolly have the LEM done after the holidays.

 

[George Hill]

Reset Distance.

I don't see this as an issue. It means little to me as any trigger system can become naturalized to you with just a couple boxes worth of ammo. After that, any reset distance advantage is out the window.

 

[wardog]

Thanks for the replies.

With a DA that light, I think I'd want the safety on when carrying IWB. Guess that rules out the HK's with LEM. Really trying to like the PO, but like the HK USPc better. Maybe I'll just live with (and try to learn to like) the DA/SA transition.

 

[10-Ring]

The LEM doesn't have or need an external safety much like the Glock, SIG, or P99.

 

[JPM70535]

If you like the idea of a manual, external safety and like most shooters, find the 1911 style grip fits most hands better than any other, then I would't let a little thing like trigger travel influence my choice.

IIRC Jerry Micklic (spelling?) holds the worlds speed record with a S&W double action revolver and we all know how long those trigger pulls are.

I've shot Glocks, HKs, SIGs, Berettas, and just about any other quality automatic you can name, and while all of them have their claims to fame, (and there is no doubt they are fine weapons) a 1911 style pistol with an external slide mounted safety that not only locks the slide, but disables the trigger and locks the firing pin, represents just about the ideal CCW.It is the one pistol I feel comfortable carrying IWB sans holster. Of course this excludes all conventional SA/DA autos like Ruger and S&W with external safeties. The trigger pull on these can't compare with the light smooth trigger pull of the PO LDA

 

[nemesis]

If you're looking for a carry gun; the skinny Para is a lot easier to conceal than one of those blocky HK's. That business about the trigger reset distance is immaterial. I've been shooting one for years and haven't even noticed it.