Help me choose, HK P2000 LEM or CZ P01???

[Deshoots]

I'm looking for a hammer fired carry gun and have narrowed it down to two pistols; the HK P2000 with LEM trigger, or the CZ P01 (DA/SA) with de-cocker. I am open to both the light LEM and regular LEM versions. Any experience from those who have owned both the P01 (or PCR) and an HK P2000 LEM would be appreciated! Thanks!

 

[Chuck R.]

It really depends on what you want for a trigger....don't have a CZ, but 3 of my HKs that started out as DA/SA all turned into light LEMs and the majority of my DA/SA Sigs went elsewhere. My CCW is a P2000 light LEM in 357Sig that's been worked over by Lazy Wolf Guns and been plated ROBAR NP3+. Other mods include Trijicon HD sights and thin slide stops:



I've also got the .40 barrel. To me at least the LEM is about the perfect carry trigger, kind of a cross between a 2 stage and a striker with a long take-up. It also gives the "warm fuzzy" that a hammer provides while reholstering.

 

[Deshoots]

It really depends on what you want for a trigger....don't have a CZ, but 3 of my HKs that started out as DA/SA all turned into light LEMs and the majority of my DA/SA Sigs went elsewhere. My CCW is a P2000 light LEM in 357Sig that's been worked over by Lazy Wolf Guns and been plated ROBAR NP3+. Other mods include Trijicon HD sights and thin slide stops:

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I've also got the .40 barrel. To me at least the LEM is about the perfect carry trigger, kind of a cross between a 2 stage and a striker with a long take-up. It also give the "warm fuzzy" that a hammer provides while reholstering.

Thank you for the feedback. I too am looking for the warm fuzzy feeling of thumbing the hammer while re-holstering. Would you happen to know the trigger pull weights of the light LEM vs standard LEM? I think it is something like 7lbs vs 4.5lbs, is that right?

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I've got a light LEM in my P30sk. It's a wonderful trigger.

I wouldn't bother with the standard LEM. There's no real reason for it. The light LEM is easy to control and shoot accurately

 

[Chuck R.]

The lite is just about 4.5 lbs. My P2K came in just under 4Lbs, probably due to the N3P+.

 

[JR24]

I am not much a fan of HK pistols in general, mostly hand fitment related. That said I really like the light LEM trigger.

I used to love CZ guns but have found my recent years of Glocks and 1911s that the CZ beavertail (P07/P09 excluded) doesnt fit my grip right and is downright uncomfortable now. I also prefer SIG in the stock SA/DA department.

So.. hmm. Were it me I'd go with the HK with LEM trigger.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I'm just going to add that while I know CZ makes a good gun, I also know that all three of my HKs have functioned without a single malfunction in any of them, and they all get shot regularly.

It's a small sample, and I'm not saying they are more reliable than CZ guns. I'm just saying that mine work.

 

[I6turbo]

I had an HK P2000 SK V3 (for about 2 months until I sold it because I did not care for any aspect of the gun), and I have both a CZ 75 PCR and a P-01. I find the CZs and the HKs to be DRAMATICALLY different in hand, so if you haven't actually handled both you definitely should do before you invest in any of them.

Here's the comparative sizes, but this is the compact version of the HK P2000.


The P2000 SK "looks" smaller and more compact than the PCR, but other than a little shorter barrel, it really isn't. The grip is annoyingly short for no apparent reason. Here are the two, the SK on top of the PCR. They are aligned along the top of the slides and at the back of the slides.

 

[sigarms228]

As far as hammer fired pistol, I like HK LEM for CCW but prefer the P30SK and CCW it with either 10 round or 13 round magazine.

 

[bannockburn]

Like I6turbo the ergonomics of the P2000 just doesn't work well with my particular hand size. I would say right out the box the DA/SA trigger of the P01 could use some work but it feels so much better in my hand; like a smaller version of the Browning Hi-Power.

 

[I6turbo]

Like I6turbo the ergonomics of the P2000 just doesn't work well with my particular hand size. I would say right out the box the DA/SA trigger of the P01 could use some work but it feels so much better in my hand; like a smaller version of the Browning Hi-Power.

The Cajun Gun Works Ultra-Lite Kit makes a noticeable improvement in both D/A and S/A trigger pull on all of the CZ 75-based guns and also the 97, and it makes racking the slide easier if that's an issue for anyone.

https://cajungunworks.com/product/54420-ultra-lite/

Then the next level above that is their Race Hammer Kit. It provides a really dramatic improvement that further lightens the trigger pull and eliminates the characteristic camming-back of the hammer prior to firing in S/A.

 

[Bentonville]

I don’t have any experience with the CZ bit I do have lots with the HK. The P2000 fits me like a glove. I have the LEM with the 4.1 trigger and night sights . It’s as accurate as I am and never fails .

 

[jjones45]

2 fine handguns indeed. I don’t own a p2000 but have shot them in the past. I do own a p01 and love it. Out of the box the p2000 light LEM trigger will be better in my opinion. But there’s just something about Cz’s that allow me to shoot them extremely well so I vote p01, especially if you can get a trigger job. I also recommend changing the grips out on the p01 for something thinner, it makes a world of difference in how the gun feels. LOK grips and Cz custom make excellent grips in both style and function.

 

[nettlle]

Although I have no experience with the HK I do know it to be a highly respected brand. As far as CZ goes I do have a PCR that I am very pleased with. Couldn't want for a better carry gun.

 

[bannockburn]

I6turbo

Thanks for the info on the Cajun Gun Works Ultra-Lite Kit!

 

[I6turbo]

I6turbo

Thanks for the info on the Cajun Gun Works Ultra-Lite Kit!

No problem! FYI, I use the Black hammer spring (the lighter one of the two in the Ultra-Lite Kits) in my 97 B and 85 Combat, and have not had a failure to fire on any of the several brands of ammo I've used. I use the Blue hammer spring on the PCR, P-01, and 75B because I also shoot the Kadet Kits on those guns (22LR reportedly requires more hammer spring to be reliable, especially when the gun gets a bit dirty).

The 85 Combat also has the CZ pre-B short trigger reset, the CGW 6-SAO trigger, CGW floating trigger pin, and the CGW Race Hammer Kit. I loved the CZ 75-based guns before adding these components to the 85 Combat, but they elevate this gun to another level in terms of S/A use. The trigger position is moved rearward, it has only the slightest bit of take-up (I have mine set at about half the thickness of the trigger but it could go lower), is crisp and light at 3#, the characteristic CZ hammer camming is reduced by about 90% or more, and reset is only about the thickness of the trigger. I'm planning to make the same trigger and race hammer modifications to the 97 B but just haven't taken the time to order the rest of the parts. The only thing I'd change about the 85 Combat is that I'd probably go with the ring hammer version instead of the flat top, but that's just cosmetic.

You can see the trigger position and thickness in the photo below.

 

[bannockburn]

I6turbo

I use the Blue hammer spring on the PCR, P-01, and 75B because I also shoot the Kadet Kits on those guns (22LR reportedly requires more hammer spring to be reliable, especially when the gun gets a bit dirty).

Thanks for more good news because I have a Kadet Kit for my P01 and that Blue hammer spring will come in handy!

 

[I6turbo]

I6turbo



Thanks for more good news because I have a Kadet Kit for my P01 and that Blue hammer spring will come in handy!

I also used the Kadet Kit on the 85 Combat with the Black spring for a couple hundred rounds and haven't had a FTF, but I've heard from a couple of people who said that their 75Bs would occasionally fail to ignite the primer with the Black spring. I think it depends upon how freely the striker moves in the Kadet upper, and how clean it is.

Another reason I keep the heavier Blue spring in the P-01 and PCR is that they also serve as HD and CC guns.

Have you ever tried a green laser on your P-01?

 

[bannockburn]

I6turbo

Have you ever tried a green laser on your P-01?

I thought about making my P01 my home defense gun in which case I probably would have put some kind of laser/light combo on it. As it happened a little while after I got the P01 I came across a really great deal on a used P229R and that along with a SIG STL-900L laser/light module became my home defense set-up. So my P01 became part of my CCW rotation, along with a Ruger SR9c and a Kahr CM9.

 

[Destructo6]

I've broken 4 or 5 P2000s. The trigger rebound spring is a common failure point. I'm not impressed.

 

[jjones45]

I've broken 4 or 5 P2000s. The trigger rebound spring is a common failure point. I'm not impressed.

4 or 5? Wow, that’s an extremely high failure rate for a proven gun that’s been in use for many years now. Not saying I don’t believe you, but I’ve never heard of anybody breaking that many HK’s. It’s safe to say you and Hk don’t mesh.

 

[Chuck R.]

I've broken 4 or 5 P2000s. The trigger rebound spring is a common failure point. I'm not impressed.

Can you elaborate as to the circumstances????

That trigger return spring is the same basic spring/setup in the HK USP and HK45, so in theory that sort of failure rate for the TRS should be across those models also.

 

[KYamateur]

I have the CZ P-01, and it is one of the most accurate pistols I own - straight from the box. It is my night stand gun. I don’t have large hands, and the pistol just fits me well. I usually only practice shooting at about 10-15 yards and you can burn the center circle up with it. The only H&K I ever had was the newest (p30 I think) and it had the LEM trigger and I never warmed up to it. The most accurate 9mm pistols I have ever owned were a S&W 5906 and the CZ P-01. I have a gen 4 Glock 17 that is close behind.

 

[Destructo6]

Can you elaborate as to the circumstances????

I've broken 3 trigger rebound springs, a trigger bar, and a hammer strut, personally. All were different guns and each had 7k-10k rounds through them.

I've also seen several slides crack at the front, where the recoil guide rod rides. I've even witnessed this area crack off and fly down range.

That trigger return spring is the same basic spring/setup in the HK USP and HK45, so in theory that sort of failure rate for the TRS should be across those models also.

Same basic setup, but not exactly the same and I've not seen that problem with the USPc. No experience with the others.

It’s safe to say you and Hk don’t mesh.

We get along just fine, I simply shoot them a lot and don't baby them.

 

[d'zaster]

P2000SK 9mm. the LEM trigger is good for CCW.
P2000 40 DA/SA is more accurate tho.