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Brief article discussing the problems of Hogs and how some are dealing with it.
Brief article discussing the problems of Hogs and how some are dealing with it.
Hogs are Bad, Hunting is good. WSJ Article
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Saw that ... was going to post a link, but you beat me to it. Title:
Special Ops, Pig Patrol: Commando Wannabes Stalk Porky
Feral Hogs Are the Prey of Sportsmen Equipped Like Rambo; 'a Tactical Gene'.
Fair use quote (one paragraph):
Sounds pretty cool to me!
Special Ops, Pig Patrol: Commando Wannabes Stalk Porky
Feral Hogs Are the Prey of Sportsmen Equipped Like Rambo; 'a Tactical Gene'.
Fair use quote (one paragraph):
Sounds pretty cool to me!
Double Naught Spy
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Don't like the title, but do like the article.
sarduy
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tacticool at it best 
Shadow 7D
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WSJ sucks, they should have contacted Flintknapper for a real story, go to hunting and check out his hog thread (it's stickied)
Shadow 7D
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DON'T read the comments
I was going to link Flint's Hog thread, but after seeing 2 pages of 'shoot the people, poor pigs'
I know it's NY NY, but damn, are they that stupid, I wonder what the 'poor pigs' chick (Diane) would say if you told her that those poor pigs cost her 10 cents a pound on her food.
I was going to link Flint's Hog thread, but after seeing 2 pages of 'shoot the people, poor pigs'
I know it's NY NY, but damn, are they that stupid, I wonder what the 'poor pigs' chick (Diane) would say if you told her that those poor pigs cost her 10 cents a pound on her food.
Mike1234567
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That article was dripping with sarcasm to make the hunters seem like mindless killers of poor innocent feral hogs.
Double Naught Spy
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Some folks are never happy. THC and JP are both real outfits doing a real job. They do it in manners that a lot of us can't afford (thermal gear), but they are killing hogs on a regular basis. There ain't nothin' wrong with that.
Loosedhorse
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Well, they were helped out in that regard by Ted Nugent, who said it was "100% fair hunting."
I disagree. Using night scopes and a "shoot as many as you can" ethic is not consistent with my idea of "hunting." It IS absolutely consistent with my idea of legitimate, necessary pest control.
But it is not fair chase, IMHO. Nor should we use fair chase methods on feral hogs. To the extent we defend these anti-pest methods as being fair chase--the essence of "hunting"--I think we will see hunting get a black eye.
Double Naught Spy
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Yeah, and I never understood the concept of "fair chase" when we get to use guns. "Fair" seems very very subjective.
Shadow 7D
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I always thought that Flint should arrange a Machine Gun Shoot,
We could compare what is the proper gun, is it a SAW, M60, M240, 1919, Zipper, or ol MA DUCE, maybe a DKSHA or a something
I always thought two guys with Paw Paw Shaw's (PPSH) working in on a sound stuck in a closed funnel would be fun.
The point being, pigs are like overgrown cockroaches, best killed quickly, with the understanding that there are 100 for every 1 you see.
We could compare what is the proper gun, is it a SAW, M60, M240, 1919, Zipper, or ol MA DUCE, maybe a DKSHA or a something
I always thought two guys with Paw Paw Shaw's (PPSH) working in on a sound stuck in a closed funnel would be fun.
The point being, pigs are like overgrown cockroaches, best killed quickly, with the understanding that there are 100 for every 1 you see.
Art Eatman
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Loosedhorse, don't get in a swivet over hogs. Just think of them as very heavy cockroaches. Fire ants. About as desirable as venomous snakes in your bedroom. Or black widow spiders under your toilet seat.
Any method which kills them in multitudes improves habitat for numerous wild and domestic species--as well as helping farmers and ranchers to make a profit and pay their taxes. Your food comes from farms and ranches, long before it hits the groceries. Feral hogs do indeed reduce the supply.
And, yeah, I'm being mildly sarcastic, since I just really don't like cockroaches.
Any method which kills them in multitudes improves habitat for numerous wild and domestic species--as well as helping farmers and ranchers to make a profit and pay their taxes. Your food comes from farms and ranches, long before it hits the groceries. Feral hogs do indeed reduce the supply.
And, yeah, I'm being mildly sarcastic, since I just really don't like cockroaches.
Twmaster
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I just read the article. I thought it reeked of disdain toward the hunters. I came away with a negative (if even only slightly negative) feeling from the article.
Thankfully I know better. I live in Oklahoma. Feral hogs are evil. I'm with Art on this one. Giant cockroaches.
Thankfully I know better. I live in Oklahoma. Feral hogs are evil. I'm with Art on this one. Giant cockroaches.
While the rifles they are using are inexpensive they do have a tricked out Land Rover with thermal imaging camera, infrared lights, etc. In the vid they claimed to have thermal scopes, but it didnt look like one to me. Maybe they are adding the total cost of the equipment and dividing it between the hunters?
Course Im not a Tacticool guy so what do I know... lol
Loosedhorse
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Oh, I don't get into a swivet about much.
The point of my post wasn't how I think about hogs, it was how I think about hunting. You want to step on a cockroach, fine by me; you want to poison 'em by the thousands? No problem here.
I just wouldn't call that hunting.
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Art Eatman
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Well, I've always enjoyed sneaky-snaking more than other methods. And, years back, I did that for hogs as well as deer.
Face it: To the average person, any guy out in the boonies with a gun is a hunter who is hunting. Doesn't matter to them if it's pest control, poaching, or hunting in the traditional faiir-chase manner. The mediahcrities general incompetence at understanding such things as control of feral hogs doesn't help matters at all.
In the article, the focus is too much on the gear and nowhere near enough on the reason for the killing.
Hogs reduce farm yield, which reduces farm income, which reduces federal income tax take. Better to make it clear to city-dwellers that feral hogs contribute to budget deficits.
Face it: To the average person, any guy out in the boonies with a gun is a hunter who is hunting. Doesn't matter to them if it's pest control, poaching, or hunting in the traditional faiir-chase manner. The mediahcrities general incompetence at understanding such things as control of feral hogs doesn't help matters at all.
In the article, the focus is too much on the gear and nowhere near enough on the reason for the killing.
Hogs reduce farm yield, which reduces farm income, which reduces federal income tax take. Better to make it clear to city-dwellers that feral hogs contribute to budget deficits.
Mike1234567
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Kill as many of the darned things as you can in the most humane way possible. There need not be "fair play" or "sporting chance" during extermination of vermin. What's important is killing as many as is practicable because they're an invasive species that are causing severe economic and ecologic damage. I don't like killing things for sport (I don't like killing things for any reason) but I don't hesitate to spray insect killer for ants, cockroaches, poisonous spiders, etc. and poisoning is far from a "sporting" way to kill bugs and insects. I'm not going to sit around 24/7 with a fly swatter waiting for bugs to show up one-by-one.
ETA #1: No offense but I hated that article because it inferred that all hunters are GI Joe wannabes hyped up on killer adrenalin. That author, his editor/publisher, and the filthy rag it's printed on are soaked with anti-gun sewage perfumed with sarcastic humor.
Ask me later how I feel after I've finished my pot of coffee.
ETA #2: Regarding post #20. Okay... I watched the video and, I must admit, my take-away is opposite of how I felt after reading the article. The video was far more positive. Maybe the writer isn't that skilled at humor (neither am I) or... I just completely misinterpreted his/her intent.
ETA #1: No offense but I hated that article because it inferred that all hunters are GI Joe wannabes hyped up on killer adrenalin. That author, his editor/publisher, and the filthy rag it's printed on are soaked with anti-gun sewage perfumed with sarcastic humor.
Ask me later how I feel after I've finished my pot of coffee.ETA #2: Regarding post #20. Okay... I watched the video and, I must admit, my take-away is opposite of how I felt after reading the article. The video was far more positive. Maybe the writer isn't that skilled at humor (neither am I) or... I just completely misinterpreted his/her intent.
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Double Naught Spy
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Sorry, but I am just not seeing the sarcasm. I see the GI Joe wannabe angle just fine and I see the excitement the hunters have for using the gear and the enjoyment the owners have showing it off.
I take it that you didn't watch the associated video. You would probably hate it as well.
I take it that you didn't watch the associated video. You would probably hate it as well.
Ole Humpback
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Well now that its legal to hunt hogs from a chopper in Texas, I wonder how long it'll be before they start doing "Huey Hunts". A team on the ground finds a sounder of hogs and calls in CAS to help out. Can't even begin to imagine the rush of seeing a 30 hog sounder taking lead from a pair of Huey door gunners with 30cal MG's.
Loosedhorse
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I absolutely agree. Some will choose to hunt them in fair chase, and that is fine also; just less efficient. When efficiency of pest removal is the goal, then all legal measures (including night vision, helicopters, full-auto, whatever) can be used.
Some would have fun doing that, and that's fine: I bear them no ill will. Others will do that if they have to, and I would be in that camp.
And some will hunt them in fair-chase fashion, even though it's less efficient, becuase "it feels better" or its more enjoyable that way; I'd probably be in that camp, too.
While I agree with your statement, that doesn't mean I accept the situation. I am very used to hearing how some species are endangered because of "over-hunting," when the reason is poaching (and lax enforcement of game laws). Legal, ethical hunting actually helps most species survive, and thrive.
Just because it is an uphill battle trying to educate the media and the public about hunting, that doesn't mean we should accept the status quo. Rather, one of the responsibilities of hunters, IMHO, is to correct mistaken impressions where we can.
And so here, saying (as Nugent does) that "going tactical" on feral hogs is "fair hunting," well, that lends credibility to tired Hollywood yucks about hunting deer with radar and RPGs.
And camo!
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Shadow 7D
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RPG Hunts!!!
Sign me on, I'd say start with some 60mm mortars, to flush the sounder
then open up with the PPG's
Then finish them off with something like a PPSH
Sign me on, I'd say start with some 60mm mortars, to flush the sounder
then open up with the PPG's
Then finish them off with something like a PPSH
The Termite
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Yes, they really are. And not just in NYFC. Her response to it costing her 10 cents/pound extra would be she doesn't care.
It's a mindset. A totally emotional mindset. Logic doesn't really apply. She, and others like her have been raised on Bambi films to think animals good, people bad. She has no clue of the real natural world, and no understanding of predator and prey in the food chain. She would starve to death in the middle of a wheat field, if there were no McDonald's nearby.
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