Homeland Security and our guns

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Elza

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It used to be that an individual could ship a firearm to a licensed dealer or manufacturer. To get it back required the use of a local dealer and the proper paperwork.

Not so anymore. I was hanging out at my buddy’s pawn shop this afternoon and this question came up. The ATF rules have not changed in this regard. However, Homeland Security prohibits it! I’m wondering just how far the HS goons have gotten/will be getting their hands into our gun ownership? :scrutiny:

As my buddy stated regarding Homeland Security: “They ain’t your friends!”
 
To get it back required the use of a local dealer and the proper paperwork.

This statement is not true. Manufacturers ship repaired guns directly back to people all the time.

However, Homeland Security prohibits it

Neither is this one.

I’m wondering just how far the HS goons have gotten/will be getting their hands into our gun ownership?
Perhaps you should find a more reliable source than a pawn shop counter if you are truly concerned about the actions of Homeland Security.
 
I'm looking to hear from the FFL's on the board. I'm curious to see if anyone else has been told the same thing. As my friend's livelihood depends primarily upon gun sales he is generally well acquainted with the current laws. I'm just wondering about this one.

If HS is getting involved I'm getting scared all over again.
 
I dont think homeland security knows what homeland security does.
Apparently they go to just one pawn shop in Texas and tell the guy about super secret shipping restrictions that no one else has heard of. :scrutiny:
 
Homeland Security loses my wife's immigration paperwork. They managed to lose track of a woman living at the same address that was trying her damnest to stay in contact with Homeland security. Most incompetent bunch I have seen. Worse than the cluster-**** that was my Army Reserve call-up.
 
Most. Useless. Government Agency. Ever.

Let's see what do they do?

They regulate chemicals which could be used as weapons. Yes we all know that private industries never ever self regulate and are so willing to fork over their valuable products to terrorists who would kill them using said products for free. Everyone working in this industry has every incentive to sell chemical weapons to foreigners and terrorists, and the government is much more efficient and effective at regulating industries it knows nothing about than are people in that industry.

They also regulate infrastructure. Please. My late father was in the utility business. Before 9/11, he personally had built and engineered new power substations for the company he worked for. These new facilities had gates which could withstand a truck ramming them, they had security systems with infrared cameras with which the power company could monitor the station visually 24/7, and motion sensors which were sensitive enough to detect coyotes who wandered too close. They have sophisticated electronic security systems which will detect any abnormal activity the INSTANT anything happens.

Why? Because the utility company has a vested interest in protecting its valuable equipment from vandals, theives, idiots, and even terrorists. Duh.

They do studies and they do initiatives and they do "collaborations" with other three letter agencies which are almost as useless.

The Safe Schools Initiative? Their baby. Make the schools safer. See any serious federal support for CCW training for teachers yet?

National Small Vessel Security Summit, one of their brainchilds. It's real simple. Let people have letters of marquee and reprisal. It's right there in the Constituition. Let people buy artillery, machineguns etc. to mount on their boats, costs taxpayers nothing, solves the problem handedly.

They regulate railroads and power plants and tons of things that no agency, even if we funded it like we do the military, could realistically have enough expertise on to really make good decisions. They make regulations about things they probably have never done professionally and call it "security".

The people who can secure the things we're worried about being vulnerable to terrorists are the people who own and operate those things already. Let people who operate power plants figure out how to protect power plants, for example. Government interference wastes money and is inefficient. We get inferior results and "feel good" studies, initiatives, and collaborations which accomplish nothing.

Studies, initiatives, summits, awareness months, and collaborations are all they spit out for the money we spend on them. They produce nothing but so many useless buzz words. There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution which says the government has the authority to belch out "studies, initiatives, summits, awareness months, and collaborations" on my dime especially when the "research" they produce is simply recycled from within the government.

The Container Security Initiative - The Border Patrol was already handling it.

The Safe Schools Initiative, Insider threat study - Secret Service does all the work.

There are other examples.

Homeland Security is comparable to the prop conduits used on the set of the space ship interior on the Star Trek television show. All these conduits were labeled "GNDN" by the show's production crew.

"GNDN" stands for Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing. Just there for show, to make people think the set is a space ship, to help them suspend their disbelief more easily.

The DHS is very much the same. Goes Nowhere, Does Nothing, and helps the government fool people into thinking something is actually being done.
 
Elza, remember Kirk's Law of the Internet, especially the one that reads, "there is an irrebuttable presumption of incorrectness for something that you hear in a gun shop.":D

Two months ago I sent a M48 to Smith & Wesson in Massachusetts from Indiana. Smith sent it back to my office in Indiana.

It did not go to a FFL. Homeland Security did not prohibit the shipment.

Homeland Security may be feckless and in need of abolition, but what you heard in a gun shop, surprise, surprise, is incorrect.
 
I'm looking to hear from the FFL's on the board. I'm curious to see if anyone else has been told the same thing.

I asked my FFL about shipping a pistol back to the manufacturer last week. He told me to just send it to them myself, that there wouldn't be any real advantage to going through his shop.
 
Okay, so the original post was totally wrong. We can all agree on that. Moving on.
 
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