Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars with AR15

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Apparently the suspects were all dressed in black with masks and one was armed with brass knuckles and one with a knife. The 19 or 23 year old (depending on what news story you read) son exchanged words and then defended himself with an AR15.


AR15 is a great home defense weapon, especially with multiple suspects like in this case. So much for it only being an assault weapon with no redeeming qualities and only used for mass shooting attacks.







http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/27/homeowners-son-shoots-kills-three-would-be-burglars.html






Homeowner's son shoots, kills three would-be burglars

Published March 27, 2017
FoxNews.com

Three would-be robbers were shot and killed Monday when an Oklahoma homeowner's son opened fire on them with an AR-15, authorities said.
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Interesting -- a daytime (noonish) break-in ... on a Monday.

Hopefully the word will get out to all the bad folks in the area of Broken Arrow (always thought that was a great name for a town).
 
Old Dog said:
Interesting -- a daytime (noonish) break-in ... on a Monday.

Hopefully the word will get out to all the bad folks in the area of Broken Arrow (always thought that was a great name for a town).
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That's the scary part. So brazen. What if it was a 13 or 15 year old kid home? Would they have been beaten up? Maybe molested? Accidently killed in a panic?
 
Exactly. The two armed tweakers who broke into my house at 2:22 PM on a Friday afternoon didn't know my home was unoccupied -- there were still vehicles in the driveway. Now they're three-strikers, but they're still breathing air.

Paucity of detail in this case, but possible wrong house or mistaken identity of occupants?
 
I was once told by an exterminator that if you see cockroaches in daytime. You have a heavy infestation of them.

With the intruders being armed, I would assume they thought they had he upper hand.
 
kcofohio said:
I was once told by an exterminator that if you see cockroaches in daytime. You have a heavy infestation of them.

With the intruders being armed, I would assume they thought they had he upper hand.
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Interestingly enough, that's been my experience. I had break ins occur at my previous residence in the middle of the day. Some crack head crawling through an open window on the 1st floor. I chose not to engage with lethal force after making some quick assessments of his threat. Cops responded and arrested him.

I would not armchair QB someone that had to make that decision to pull the trigger, but ending 3 lives like that as a young man is going to have an effect on him for the rest of his life. I hope he accepts the help/therapy if/when he gets to that point.
 
kcofohio said:
I was once told by an exterminator that if you see cockroaches in daytime. You have a heavy infestation of them.

With the intruders being armed, I would assume they thought they had he upper hand.
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I have read more than once that most burglaries occur between 11 am and 3 pm, thieves who just want stuff and do not want to get into it with the owners prefer to strike when the owners are at work. My old house was broken into once, in the daytime.
 
Old Dog said:
Interesting -- a daytime (noonish) break-in ... on a Monday.

Hopefully the word will get out to all the bad folks in the area of Broken Arrow (always thought that was a great name for a town).
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Not so great for Lt. Gen. Harold G. Moore................a true Hero.
 
old lady new shooter said:
I have read more than once that most burglaries occur between 11 am and 3 pm, thieves who just want stuff and do not want to get into it with the owners prefer to strike when the owners are at work. My old house was broken into once, in the daytime.
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Interesting. I grew up about 80 miles east of Tulsa, Ok. Went to school in Joplin, Mo. I don't remember ever hearing of break-ins back then from kids at school. Let alone armed break-ins. Of coarse, it was unusual for both parents to be working outside of the home. Robberies usually occurred at banks and gas stations.

But my, how times have changed. The rural settings in the midwest have become more and more frequented with drugs and such.
 
The would be burglars had a female driver. She is charged with murder.

"Deputies say they arrested a fourth person, a 21-year-old woman identified as Elizabeth Marie Rodriguez, who they determined had driven the three suspects to the home.

She is now booked in the Wagoner County jail on three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of first-degree burglary."

http://www.news9.com/story/35006296/broken-arrow-homeowner-shoots-two-intruders-police-say
 
If they entered the home and words were exchanged before shots fired I have to question the sanity of the criminals. If you are looking down the barrel of an AR15 and all you have is a knife or a pair of brass knucks and decide you want to press your luck it is probably a good thing Darwinism took you out of the gene pool, before your stupid genes were passed on. Prayers for the young man who did what he had to do.
 
50 miles from me....group arrested in home invasion. Rape and attempted murder their last one. Turns out they were the ones that did several other robberies/invasions.
Murder in one previous.
They do increase their crimes in scale as they "get by" with stuff.
Of course there were obvious hate crime junk involved, but the media glossed over that (proly the prosecutor too).
If only the first home owner had caught them in the act and killed them.

One good person would be alive, two others not raped or wounded.
 
You hang out at a decent gun shop often?
You work (worked) there?
Vehicle may be ID'd at your residence, and some bad people coming for your stuff.

Teach kids in HS, troubled kids classes.............or work juvi?
Yeah, my ol lady has a couple "students" in jail for murder, some also 6 ft under.

Many a threat to burn our house down, rape our daughters or just kill us.

Thankfully it's all been talk.

Anybody breaks in..................gets killed.

Keeping a low profile may help. Doesn't mean some bad people aren't watching though.
 
kcofohio said:
Interesting. I grew up about 80 miles east of Tulsa, Ok. Went to school in Joplin, Mo. I don't remember ever hearing of break-ins back then from kids at school. Let alone armed break-ins. Of coarse, it was unusual for both parents to be working outside of the home. Robberies usually occurred at banks and gas stations.

But my, how times have changed. The rural settings in the midwest have become more and more frequented with drugs and such.
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I grew up in Los Angeles. In the 50's people didn't lock their doors and frequently left their car keys in the ignition. Quite a difference to now.
 
Old Dog said:
Interesting -- a daytime (noonish) break-in ... on a Monday.

Hopefully the word will get out to all the bad folks in the area of Broken Arrow (always thought that was a great name for a town).
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Tulsa's a rough town, lots of gang activity. It's very disconcerting seeing the riffraff venturing that far out into the suburbs, though, especially during the daytime. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that they were probably on meth.
 
An AR in the hands of someone familiar with the weapon doesn't require too many shots to defend against intruders. I would worry about over penetration when neighbors are close by. Sad that these youth choose the wide path that leads to destruction. Think of the impact this has on all the families of those involved. And the sadness it brings. Happy that you defended your life and property, but sad about those who died.
 
benEzra wrote:
Assuming intelligent load choice,....
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Please share what you mean by "intelligent load choice" that will produce a .223 that has lower penetration in gypsum wallboard than 9mm or 45ACP. And what are the considerations in that "intelligent load"? Powder? Bullet? Or is it a balanced combination of the two? And if the latter, what are the factors to consider in establishing that balance?
 
Varmint bullets.
Ever shoot chucks with .223?
Sometimes the bullets don't exit. Sometimes they do (but in pcs).

Alas, many an AR owner knows nothing other than fmj.
They see yonder varmint and skip the things across the field.
 
Most of the mid weight 223 softpoint loads (55 to 65 grains) won't penetrate as many walls as most handgun rounds. Hornady had their TAP line intended for this, but they don't make them anymore. The 55 grain TAP penetrates 8" in gelatin and 55gr Sierra game king 9.6". The Hornady penetrated into wall 4 wall but did not exit and the Game King exited wall 4 but did not enter wall 5. Buckshot (size 00 at 1100 fps) penetrated the same as the Hornady TAP. The 40 S&W handgun rounds tested all impacted wall 5 in some way but did not exit wall 5.

The 60 and 70gr TAP loads were similar to the 40 S&W -- impacted wall 5 in some way.

So it isn't a huge amount of difference other than the 223 fragmented early so it was small pieces that would be going into and past wall 4. It isn't an over penetrator like you'd expect from a typical rifle round.
 
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