House GOP lawmaker calls on Senate to approve gun universal background check bill

[Walkalong]

We missed the boat for designing a UBC system without registration. It could have been done -- former Oklahoma Senator Coburn submitted one. It's too late for that now. That's the danger of taking an adamant stand in opposition. Everything's fine until you lose, but then when you lose, you lose everything.

I disagree, it's never too late. So much negativism all the time, you're always preaching give up something or we will lose it all. We will lose it all a little at a time if you are left to fight our battle against those that want nothing less than everything.

 

[kmw1954]

Self incrimination? Will the ACLU take up the challenge to protect the 5th amendment rights?

So by your question back to me I understand it that they ARE EXEMPT because of the fact that they are criminals in the commission of another crime which submitting to a background check violated their civil Rights by having to admit they are breaking the law. I guess that makes sense. So then what is the point of the law?

 

[Deanimator]

So by your question back to me I understand it that they ARE EXEMPT because of the fact that they are criminals in the commission of another crime which submitting to a background check violated their civil Rights by having to admit they are breaking the law. I guess that makes sense. So then what is the point of the law?

The point of ANY gun control law is to make it as difficult as possible for a noncriminal to BE a gun owner.

 

[theotherwaldo]

None of the gun laws that are allowed to stand and are actually enforced are generally applied to actual criminals. Rather, they are usually applied to otherwise law-abiding citizens that have somehow come to the attention of the powers-that-be.
I mean, what would defense lawyers do for a living if violent criminals were actually taken off of the street for extended periods?

 

[kmw1954]

Here the last two posts really prove a point, actually two points.

There are many in the gun community that firmly believe that any and all gun laws are directed at them and violate their rights to own unfettered guns or weapons. If that is the case then Locking people in prison is also a violation of civil rights and goes directly against the constitution definition of Freedom and the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. So whether you like it or not guns laws are with us and will continue to be with us until society does a complete reversal on it's views towards guns.

Next since criminals do not follow the laws of society then what is the point of having laws? Basically all laws do is set moral or legal standards which societies set to follow so everyone can get along. If no one follows the set standard then the standard is useless and should be dropped.
So because criminals do not follows any set law they are exempt until they are caught. They should be allowed to have and carry guns and shot whomever they please and we are to just accept it as that is the way it is.

There are plenty of laws that I do not agree with yet I follow them and respect them anyways. In my mind a criminal with another gun that takes another human life has forfeited their Civil Rights.

 

[AlexanderA]

I disagree, it's never too late.

Are you saying that it's not too late to design a UBC system without registration of guns? To do so, it would require engagement in the process, and the prevailing no-compromise attitude among activist gun owners precludes that. As I've said before, stonewalling is a good tactic as long as you're winning. When you start to lose, though, it's a terrible tactic. It means that you have no input into at least mitigating the damage.

At the rate we're going, we're probably going to get an FFL-dealer-based background check system for private sales. The parties would take the gun to a dealer, who would enter it into his "bound book," treating the transaction as a regular sale out of his inventory. That means a Form 4473 and a paper trail, not to mention the usual dealer transfer fee as well as the background check fee. (Of course dealers would love this as an additional "profit center.")

 

[kmw1954]

So aside from adding private sales to the mix how else does this change anything? How is this going to prevent James Holmes, Cruz or anyone like them from getting firearms legally?

Yes, lets do this and ignore the true problem with the system.

 

[P5 Guy]

So aside from adding private sales to the mix how else does this change anything? How is this going to prevent James Holmes, Cruz or anyone like them from getting firearms legally?

Yes, lets do this and ignore the true problem with the system.

These proposed laws are all engineered to fail so more restrictive legislation can follow.

 

[MEHavey]

As Bill A spoke of in a previous post:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/27/do-it-yourself-background-checks/2088479/

I will admit to it being an interesting concept -- notwithstanding it could get very dicey if certain classes of people become persona-non-qualified under anti-rkba restrictive bureaucrats as the political winds blow across the sands. . ..

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Pete King needs voting out, even out it takes voting a Democrat in his place.

I'd rather be stabbed in the gut by someone I know it's coming from than stabbed in the back by someone who is supposed to be "standing behind me".

 

[AlexanderA]

Pete King needs voting out, even out it takes voting a Democrat in his place.

That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. A nominal Republican is an automatic vote for a Republican Speaker, who sets the House agenda. Conversely, a nominal Democrat is a vote for a Democratic Speaker.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. A nominal Republican is an automatic vote for a Republican Speaker, who sets the House agenda. Conversely, a nominal Democrat is a vote for a Democratic Speaker.

Be that as it may... it still sends a powerful message to our supposed "representatives".

Lindsey Graham did an about face a while back, but I'm still keeping my eye on him. If he starts pulling stunts like this again, this is EXACTLY what I will do with my vote if the aren't any other viable options.

And I'll send him notice that I'm doing it, too, just so he'll understand why and how he was voted out of office...and I'll be happy to send copies of that note to every other backstabber in the Party, too.

Stunts like this are exactly why Trump was able to upset the apple cart in the last Presidential election. Perhaps they all need a reminder that events such as that do not have to be one-time anomalies.