How “Prepared” Are You…Really?

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So, time to lay it down…are you willing to die for my wife?! Are you willing to die for my daughter?! How about for me?! If you are not, why do you have a CCW?

Am I willing to die for others not related to me? Nope.
Why do I have a CCW? To protect myself and my loved ones. I didn't get the CCW for the purpose of being a sacrificial martyr, hero, or being a Mark Wilson (Tyler, Texas) or Brendan “Dan” McKown (Tacoma Mall, WA). I may engage a threat that results in other people being saved, but my objective isn't the saving of the other people. My family should not suffer the loss of what I have to offer them just because I died suddenly while trying to save somebody else's family that didn't take the time to learn self defense, situational awareness, and was otherwise caught offguard without a clue as to what to do.
 
Prepared against a perp with a drawn AK taking shots at whomever he wants..... Well I tell you what, I have a CCW and of course I would return fire but come on, a pistol vs rifle. My CCW (like most) are not offensive weapons. All pistols for that matter are quite the opposite. And anyone that has been underfire and returned fire in anger or otherwise knows it isnt like the movies.

The "7 shots of CCW glory" matters if I am in the action while reacting to contact with my CCW is one thing... but even bearing a 1911 *moving to contact* against a locked and loaded AK or any rifle for that matter? Lets be real people. Enough said.
 
Javelin:

I think 99.9% of us agree with you. The chest-thumpers may not, but I haven't seen any here...yet. :D Sometimes it's better to "fight" with brains than bullets.

I think that if I had been in the Omaha mall, unless I had a heck of a good shot, I probably would have held tight, and saved my ammo for the event that some bad-guy came toward me and forced me to engage. I can see the sense of expending all of my ammo at long range, against a lunatic with a carbine or rifle, who wants to die and take me?

LAK:

I surely don't practice at 75 or 100 yards with my Glocks or 1911s!!! Lordy sakes. :) I asked that due to possible, albeit irrational, distances of engagements. However, I also asked because my cousin was a competitive shootist for the Air Force. I have seen him fire 1" groups at 100 meters with his custom, iron-sighted Llama 1911, with hard-cast, hand-loaded .45 ACPs. But, that was off a bench. Jim is the exception, not the rule. And even he would likely not engage because I doubt anyone would get off more than one shot. I also ask the distance question because the manual that came with my WWI reproduction details the expectation that this pistol/caliber is appropriate for up to 75 yard engagements.

Do I practice at those distances...75 and 100 yards? Hades-on-high no! :) The bulk of my practice is 25 yards or closer.

Geno
 
Doc, a question in response to your question: Why did you study with this person? He seems to advocate, and indeed demand, behavior that most of us, including yourself, at least in large part, find irresponsible and unrealistic.

Isn't this a bad choice of trainer?

Keep in mind I have had no tactical training other than quick and dirty hand-to-hand stuff, so I am not trying to make a point, just trying to piece together what is going on here. This is certainly an interesting htread.
 
Robert:

Thank-you! And, it is always worth discussing here, and supporting each other to practice yes, but to always exercise common sense in a world where it is uncommon.

delta9:

Excellent question! I took the classes for the Tactical and Advanced Tactical training. I am used to hearing chest-thumpers spout their claims and assertions. I know that in the end, I have to make my own decisions. People can yell, holler all they want of how I should conduct myself, but in the end, I pay the price. I take all instruction with a grain of salt. I use what seems prudent and "forget" what seems imprudent.

Edit to add, several of the best points of defense came out of these courses, i.e.:

1) Develop a code word to have the family get defensive, and practice it. Our code word for defense is "Oreo". You know, get that sweet little kid between we two crusty cookies to protect her.

2) Steel your resolve to not die..atleast not until the attack is stopped. Yes, likely, I would defend only my family. For them, I would be willing to, but hope never to have to, die. But, I must be prepared and understand that shock kills...fight it.

3) Shoot while you scoot, while you fire, while you reload, while you cover your family...never lose body-to-body contact. That is abnormal. Most people do stop. Now, you're a sitting duck.

So, I learned three facts and more in those courses. God forbid that someday I may have to use them to save my life, or my family. Here's me, wondering if, hoping that and praying that I never have to see if these Tactics work. :confused: But, I (we) do practice them.

A parting question: Are you (we collective) really prepared enough that you (we) know when to engage the fight, and when to not engage the fight?

Based on the 58 posts thus far in this thread, and not one instance of chest-thumping, and several examples of uncommon sense, I say yes. We collectively exhibit some impressive sense.

Geno
 
Most CCW folks don't train. Many live in states that don't have a test. Most don't even carry that much. They want the permit for the 'car'.

Most conceive of using the gun in the single mugger scenario:

Hello, I am a mugger. Give me your money.

Why, no - I am a CCW person - go away.

1. I go away

2. I attack you - bang, one shot stop from my Kel-tec 32!!

The more folks train, BTW, I think the more likely they are not going to engage the rampage shooter UNLESS the shooter is in their immediate vicinity. Otherwise, they get out of Dodge.

I spent yesterday with about 15 well trained shooters, some national level champions - at dinner it was consensus that in the mall, we save ourselves and families by discretion unless forced to engage immediately.
 
That's good! It just makes me cough if I thump mine, so I'll pass. :D
 
Thanks for that redirect brownie....

This thread is intended to be very serious. We made it through several dozen posts with no antics or chest-thumping. So, pgeleven, how prepared are you? Really?

Remember, everything we ever post here becomes history, to be viewed by all.

Geno
 
Are you physically fit?

Are you skilled in personal defense tactics?

Do you practice using some sort of force on force gear with non-cooperative opponents?

Are you fairly proficient in combatives?

Can you run your gun without thinking about it?

If you answered "No" to any of the above, then you are not prepared.
 
How many "CCW" holders practice shooting at ranges of 50, 75 - even 100+ yards?
If I am 75-100+ yards away and unless I am on the salt flats, I would say the best decision would be to get the hell outa Dodge because even if practiced up you are not gonna be any kind of a match for a rifle at that distance. And you know that.

I think a lot of you guys think that if your a CCW holder you should be wearing a blue shirt with a big red "S" on it under your jacket. The fact is that one if not the most important reasons I carry a weapon is to make up for my weaknesses and inabilities. Do you really expect this level of commitment from every CCW holder? The 90 year old grandmother? The disabled accident victim in a wheel chair? The 90 pound cancer patient?

A side arm is the great equalizer. If you personally feel the need to be that prepared that's fine but don't think you have the right to demand it of anyone else.
 
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We shoot at least monthly.

We have a ration shoot required for X number of AIMED rounds through all the weapons times me and wife. Every time we go.

Every time we go shoot, we try to learn something new, maybe how to use a upLula reloader to reload a clip quickly. We improve on this.

Every visit we try something new. For example, I wore myself out shouldering the gun every shot, now I just leave the thing on the shoulder until the magazine is empty or a malfunction occurs.

Not a day goes by when all the weapons are evaluated.

They are cleaned weekly.

Ammuntion is counted, rotated and notes taken. Each ammo box that arrives has a date written into the inside flap of the box. The oldest ammo gets shot first.

Prepared? Well that depends on time of day. Depends on medicines, depends on many other things.

Just the other day we had a strong wind open the back door. I was about 6 feet away and jumped yea high, when I came back down my .45 was tridotted on that doorway as if it did it without my thinking or action. All I recall from that event is the "Click" of that door opening. As it was totally outside of the expected "Plan of Day" (Wife was not expected home at that hour) that click was all I needed to draw on it.

Prepared? well... if they are gonna get us they are going to have to sit by the house under the foundation and listen for the heavy snoring.

Even then, they need to prepare to fight two battles at once. One from me and the other from the alamo and then that of the neighbors around us plus LEO's

Prepared? Probably. But not always.

We dont leave the weapons or shoots neglected. Everything else is in hands of God.
 
I was shooting 100-200 a week with my SD and HD handguns, but now I shoot 50 out of my pistol, 50 out of my revolver.

I try to make good use of the 100 rounds I shoot. I never just put mag, after mag downrange. I use cover, shoot while moving, and only 2-3 rounds at a time. I sometimes will load 5 rounds in a mag, shoot 2 or 3, move shoot 2 or 3, reload on the move and shoot 2 or three more.

I hope I can afford IDPA this summer. I hope I can find ammo for IDPA!!

Leroy
 
First of all, yes I think all CCW holders should be dedicated to practicing as much and as often as possible. I try to get to the range to shoot at least 100 rounds every month, including stoppage, failure drills, and weak-handed shooting and reloading.

But I'm not going to put a minimum requirement on it. My grandmother may not be as good as I am, but she still has a permit and a genuine need for it. It's a bad idea to say; "Anyone less dedicated than me shouldn't be allowed to carry", because there's always someone more dedicated than you.

Geno, your standard are unrealistic even for an experienced cop.

If a shooting breaks out at 75 yards, it probably isn't my problem. Certainly not if I'm armed with my 1911. I can't effectively engage at that range, and neither can you. I retreat in another direction until my family is safe. If it's a mass-shooting in progress where A: I am certain that more people will die if I don't go back in, and B: I KNOW I can get there and save lives before the police can, I will cautiously investigate going back in. This is why I keep a rifle in my vehicle. I may not be able to help anyway. I won't say never, the Trolley Square shooting happened in a place I visit frequently, and was stopped by an off-duty cop carrying the same gun I carry. But these incidents are very rare. Most violent crime is about disputes between one criminal and another criminal. When I believe this is the case I'm not doing anything with my gun but covering my retreat.

I don't carry to protect anyone else's family. If your wife is in trouble, I hope the police can help her. Shooting to protect my OWN family carries enough liability, I'm not going to take on MORE by throwing lead when I don't know the full situation. Keeping myself alive doesn't do my kids any good if I'm broke and in jail. Coward? Absolutely not. I'm focused on the REAL reason to carry.

You're never trained, experienced or ready enough for it. You just run out of time.
 
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"I think there is more to consider than simply we should be allowed to carry whenever, and wherever."

Might be more to consider but I hope you're not asking that folks be trained before they are allowed to carry. That... is infringement.
 
How “Prepared” Are You…Really?

Who knows? I practice every weekend, but luck may work against me and I might be the first to get shot such a case. The fact is that no matter how tough you think you are, much of your survival depends on factors other than skill with a gun. These include awareness, your ability to act rather than freeze up, and of course, a little bit of luck.

So I say... the answer is that you will not know how prepared you are until you know. That is, when it happens to you, then you will know. Before that, it is merely academic speculation.

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So, time to lay it down…are you willing to die for my wife?! Are you willing to die for my daughter?! How about for me?! If you are not, why do you have a CCW?

Heck no I'm not. It is not my job to protect you or your family... that is your job. I have a CCW to protect myself and my family.

I highly doubt that you or your daughter would donate a single penny to my legal defense fund, even if I did save your skin. Call me selfish if you want to, I can handle it. But I am aware of the legal hell that comes after even the cleanest shoot.

If people in society want CC'ers to protect them, they need to pass some legislation to protect us. Until then, everyone is on their own.

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That CCW is for me, my spouse and family/friends that may accompany us on trips.

When you bring up a third party such as the convience store shooting or police beating.... that CCW may or may not be worth the attempt if I dont know clearly what, why, who, when and where. I wont take on the liability.

However some situations require life or death response very quickly and... who knows?

From the looks of things increasing numbers of CCW's are fighting back against the BG's these days with good shoots.
 
I am ready man.... I practice every day.... I shoot at 500 yards with a glock 19 and get 2" groups. At 10 yards, I can make a 9mm shoot a 5mm hole in the paper. I train blind folded and can field strip and repair a gun in about 5 seconds.

I am so tactical that I can see around corners.

This one time, in band camp....
 
Never mind the band camp it's all about the evasion of counslers in the mountain camp using the poor light and compass to navigate to your.. girlfriend to a agreed on spot. No GPS back in those days :rolleyes:
 
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