How about some pics of CZ's.

[Kestrel]

Rbull,

Who made the thumb safety on your CZ?

Stephen,

Really like your Pre-B.

Steve

 

[Kestrel]

Walt,

One of the slight drawbacks to the slide running inside the frame is, it is harder to grab/retract the slide in a hurry, since there is less of it exposed.

(Don't get too defensive with me - I have several CZs, myself. Just the facts...)

Steve

 

[WonderNine]

Have you EVER heard of it being a problem with ANY gun that incorporates this feature? From the P-210 through the CZ and Tanfoglio/EAA guns to the cheaper Stars?

Honestly no, but then most guns don't incorporate this feature as you've noted.

Seems to me to you're trying to see a problem where one doesn't exist.

I always do that. Some people consider it a personality defect, but I consider it a personality strength.

I don't think your concern is realistic -- unless, of course, you think you're going to have to fire 500 rounds in self defense, sometime. And if that's the case you'd better have a pretty big backpack for all those 50 or so mags, 'cause otherwise the gun's going to cool down as your reload 5 or 10 mags.

I have fired that much and more easily at a range session with a Browning P35 or Beretta 92. And I've done it at times on purpose since I don't get to the range very often nowadays. And in a SHTF situation that many rounds between cooling down and ESPECIALLY cleaning is not out of the question I would think ??? I used to have alot more mags than I do now, but hopefully when the AWB sunsets this won't be an issue. I like to load 20 or more 17 round mags with ammo before hand, so I don't have to reload at the range, but even then typically I run out (I don't go to indoor timed ranges they suck) and sometimes end up loading quite a few mags anyways because the results I saw made me want to shoot more.

To win my confidence a gun must keep going dirty even in extreme heat or cold. And extreme functioning conditions. The AK-47 will do this. Will the CZ-97B?

Slide-inside-the-frame is a characteristic of EVERY CZ,every EAA Witness, and Tanfoglio gun being used today. And this includes the IPSC Race Guns used in international competition. I've never heard of it being a problem in IPSC, either -- and they shoot fast and long, there. Those guns GET hot.

Thanks for that info. That DOES make me a little more confident in the design. I didn't know their were so many IPSC Race Guns made by CZ, EAA and Tanfoglio without significant problems regarding my "heat trap" hypothesis.

The firing pin restrained by a roll pin is a feature I don't like either, and they have been known to break during dry-firing. But you can use snap caps, or get one of the new "doubled" roll pins that don't break. (Or get a modified firing pin that won't strike the roll pin.)

Sound like an easy fix. I still don't like firing pin safeties of any type though.

All 97Bs have the same beavertail, by the way. The only changed feature that I'm aware of are cocking striations on the front of the slide with newer models.

Well the beavtail could be cut off and the whole gun refinished, (nothing you could do about the cocking serations) but there goes another couple hundred dollars on a brand new gun....I like to get them at least 99% right from the factory if at all possible.

If you're looking for an excuse NOT to get a CZ-97B, I think you're going to have to find something else -- like the big grip or the long double-action trigger pull. Or not wanting to use the "thumb on safety" technique in the 1911 style when starting from "cocked and locked" (SA mode), which is an option.

The double action trigger pull doesn't seem to be a problem as you can easily carry cocked and locked. I don't like a double action first pull anyways.

The big grip? I would assume so, although I've never handled one. I've handled plenty of 75's and 85's and yes I do believe the grip is too big and it's also somewhat ackward with it's weird snake bend. The trigger reach is not too far for me as I have medium-long fingers, but the grip for some reason makes me point the gun upward or downward depending on which fraction of an inch above of below the center of the magwell I'm grasping it.

 

[WonderNine]

Well, I haven't fired quite that many at a range session, but I've had one failure on my CZ75 after approximately 1500 rounds, and my PCR has had no failures after 500 rounds so far. I've also used both of these pistols on some hot days. I remember one range session last year when the temp was close to 100 degrees and the CZ75 was almost to hot to hold and no reliability problems.

Good to hear!

Can't blame one failure in 1500 rounds on the gun, most likely a bad powder charge or mishaped case. This stuff happens.

 

[WonderNine]

If it was a Browning Hi-Power, she could eject the magazine at her face .

Only if she's using a 10 round Clinton job with the ejection spring.

10 round mag? What's that? I don't know since decent new prebans are cheaper than factory 10 rounders.

Only bought one ten round pistol mag in my life and only because I was curious.

 

[RBull]

Steve, I did the safety (modified Tanfoglio Match).

Before final polishing and refinishing:

Stephen, finally someone with this sights modification, very well done! What model of Novak's Lo Mount is this - 1911, or BHP?


Thanks,
Pavel

 

[Moparmike]

Must...get...digicam!!!!

My EAA Witness 10mm is practically flawless, except for some weird black spots and some serious scratches on the barrel exposed at the ejection port. What might cause this?

 

[PCRCCW]

Um....EVERY CZ is NOT make with the typical CZ Frame/Slide rail setup.

CZ83 is blowback and has the same rail setup as a PPK/Mak.............

CZ100 has a standard rail configuration.....Glock, XD, what have you.

Every Steel framed fullsize/Compact is the same.........

Shoot well...................

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Um....EVERY CZ is NOT make with the typical CZ Frame/Slide rail setup.

CZ83 is blowback and has the same rail setup as a PPK/Mak.............

CZ100 has a standard rail configuration.....Glock, XD, what have you.

Every Steel framed fullsize/Compact is the same.........

Agreed. And then there's the CZ-50 and CZ-52, too...

Implicit in my response was that I was referring to guns made on the CZ-75 design. (Every fullsize/Compact as you wrote, above.) I should have been explicit and not left it as an implicit point.

The other potential drawback to the design -- mentioned above -- is that there is less frame to grasp is valid, to a point -- but some guns, like the Browning HP, with outside the frame design, don't have any more to grasp than a CZ. I think there's LESS Makarov slide to grasp than CZ, for example... yet people don't hold that up as shortcoming of the Mak design.

And a "hand over the rear of the slide" grip on the slide (to the rear of the ejection port), perhaps including the sight, seems to work pretty well.

 

[boogalou]

Can't blame one failure in 1500 rounds on the gun, most likely a bad powder charge or mishaped case. This stuff happens.

90% of the rounds through this gun have been my own reloads, and if I remember right, the round itself was laying in the bottom of my ammo can and was dirty and may have gotten wet. The round wouldn't feed until I gave the slide a good nudge.

 

[Stephen A. Camp]

Hello. It's the one for the 1911.

Best.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

The big grip? I would assume so, although I've never handled one. I've handled plenty of 75's and 85's and yes I do believe the grip is too big and it's also somewhat ackward with it's weird snake bend.

Well, if you think the CZ-75 and CZ-85 grips are big, you'll probably think the CZ-975B grip is huge. Its noticeably larger than the 75/85 grip and built on a larger frame, but based on the same design/ergonomics.

That said, its really NOT a lot larger than other guns. The Beretta 92/96 seems every bit as big, if not bigger. But the 97B grip is bigger than the EAA / Tan. .45s, by a small bit. (Measurements will show its really not a lot different than a standard 1911 grip, but it has a palm swell in a different position.)

You'll just have to hold one and, hopefully, shoot one, to be sure.

 

[robctwo]

http://homepage.mac.com/robcorl/CZ_pictures/PhotoAlbum34.html

 

[Zer000]

My CZ75B Tactical.

 

[admar2]

nice CZ's guys!!

I've just about decided on a CZ85 Combat. I like the Ambi controls since I mostly shoot lefty.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

I have a CZ-85 Combat and really like it.

But don't overlook the CZ-75B SA (single action) in 9mm or .40. While it doesn't have an ambi slide release (which isn't a big deal), it does have ambi safeties. And a trigger that is adjustable for both overtravel and takeup -- which is a very big deal. (The CZ-85 Combat's trigger adjusts for overtravel only.)

I also have a customized 75B SA, and its hard to say which gun I like best.

 

[admar2]

the SA model is actually the other one I'm trying to decide between. I'm a 1911 fan, so I like the SA.

decisions decisions.

 

[Kestrel]

Walt,

Is there any benefit to the CZ-75 SA over the standard CZ-75B, other than the trigger adjustment?

Thanks,
Steve

 

[WonderNine]

I found while handling a couple that the plastic trigger on the SA makes for an extremely creepy trigger (as I suspected it would) which negates (IMO) the strongest point of Single Action in the first place.

However I understand someone in this forum, I don't remember who, replaced the plastic trigger on their 75SA for a real one with favorable results.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

The plastic trigger is a minus -- and they've been known to break.

I'm not sure the plastic part makes the trigger have more creep--as I've handled some pretty "crisp" 75SA's with plastic trigger--but there is a difference, and I prefer the metal trigger.

When they break, CZ-USA can (but, you may have to demand it) replace the broken part with a metal one. The 75BSA that I have, which I bought used from a THR member, has a metal trigger.

You may want to ask PCRCCW about his experience, as he had a lot of work done to the gun I bought. It is a superb gun.

 

[guy sajer]

Here's my 1984 model .