How do I teach someone to stop flinching?

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I have been taking my wife to the range for about 6 months. She still continues to shoot all over the place. High, left, right, down...you get the picture. Every shot is in another place. Her grip and stance are okay and we have tried multiple different variations. I have tried different pistols. I know she is flinching because she still doesn't realize the slide is locked back and she pulls the trigger and I can easily see her flinch...badly. I think she is scared of the guns, she seems to tense up when pulling the trigger and doesn't seem to understand when the trigger will break. We have practiced dry firing for hours but it all falls apart when it's range time. She says it feels like she is doing something wrong when shooting. Like she expects the gun to go off at a certain point and when it doesn't she gets nervous. I keep telling her to just slow steady squeeze and let the recoil come.

I am not a firearms instructor but I was a Marine and I have taught a few people the basics of shooting. But I cannot fix this. Basically she is so bad that if she is shooting at you, you have nothing to worry about. I hope I am describing this correctly. I think some formal training is needed but I wanted some opinions, maybe a quick fix, something I have not thought of.

Here is a list of the guns she has shot, all with the same results.
WC 92
G17 and G19
Sig 226
S&W Victory
CZ 75
GP100
Bersa Thunder
M&P 9
 
I would look at a .22 auto, or a CO2-powered BB/pellet gun to practice with, something that actually goes off as opposed to dry-firing, and let her work her way up to a "bigger bang".

ETA: Sorry, didn't see the victory listed the first time. Maybe a .22 rifle to get the flash further from her face, or try the BB/pellet gun? Then, after she is more comfortable, come back to the ones you listed.
 
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Dry fire, then more dry fire, then a little more dry fire. After that add some dummy rounds to a mag with live rounds. If she is watching what the sights are doing she will notice instantly that they didn't do the same thing s they were after the extensive dry firing .
 
I have tried a rifle and she does okay with it actually. But nothing helps with the pistol. She shot my MPX with the arm brace (cheek weld only...) and she did great. But give her a handgun and even the ceiling isn't safe.
 
Dry fire, then more dry fire, then a little more dry fire. After that add some dummy rounds to a mag with live rounds. If she is watching what the sights are doing she will notice instantly that they didn't do the same thing s they were after the extensive dry firing .
Good idea.
 
I have had the best luck with new shooters with suppressed .22 pistols, no recoil and little noise. They are the two reasons people develop a flinch.

One last thing, don't turn it into a "job". Be glad your wife shoots with you and don't allow it to not be fun for her.

If she is happy with her results, I would be too. If she wants to improve but doesn't know how, suggest the dry firing. Might do it yourself and suggest it when she asks what your doing.
 
Dry fire, then more dry fire, then a little more dry fire. After that add some dummy rounds to a mag with live rounds. If she is watching what the sights are doing she will notice instantly that they didn't do the same thing s they were after the extensive dry firing .
I was drafting my response and then I read this. Exactly my thoughts.....dry fire and dummy rounds. Dummy rounds will show her exactly what she is doing to cause the misses.
 
If she's good with dry fire but flinches terribly with the real thing, she's certainly afraid of the flash/bang/kick even if she doesn't know it. Get her on a lighter recoiling gun and check her earpro to make sure you've got the sound cut down as much as possible. Once you've got the noise and kick as low as possible load some dummy rounds in the magazine for her so she can see the gun jump when it didn't go bang but she expected it to. Point it out to her that she is causing that because she's expecting a bang and is reacting to it. It will take a while for her to work it out because she's probably trained it in from shooting the bigger guns. Don't be surprised if it takes several hundred rounds on the .22 before she unlearns the flinch.
 
I am no expert, but I have trained many in my family to shoot, especially hand guns. This may not be the case with your wife but I came to the conclusion years ago, that if someone flinches badly and misses, it's because they know when the gun is going to go off! With proper trigger pull, a shooter, unless well experienced, should be surprised when the gun fires.

If someone is properly squeezing the trigger slowly and flinches, only after the gun goes off, they will still hit their mark.

Her problem IMHO is trigger pull. I suspect that she is consciously jerking or quickly pulling the trigger, at a preset instant, in her mind, and as a result, she is flinching at the same time, because she knows the gun is going to fire.

I suggest working on trigger pull, slow, smooth and steady!
 
What was the first hand gun she ever shot ? I'd guess NOT the .22
As a rifle instructor I've seen too many times people with flinch problems because their first experience was with a gun too big and too loud for them. Go back to the .22 and ONLY the .22 until she can unlearn her flinch. Go slow and easy with LOTS of positive reinforcement. Practice only one shot at a time, shoot, lower gun, couple breaths, repeat.
 
Years and years ago as a young'un in the Army I was allowed to shoot with the pistol team where I was stationed. We were able to draw a box with three pistols (a .45, a 38 revolver, and a 22 auto). The exercise they ran us through over and over was to shoot the bigger guns a few rounds then without pause pick up the 22 and fire a few rounds with it. The difference in recoil, sound, etc. with the much lighter 22 would quickly show you if you were flinching or pushing your shots with the bigger weapons. Seems to me the combination of lots of dry fire, then with dummy rounds, then with dummies mixed in with ordinary rounds is the way to go.... I'd follow it up with the exercise I've described. In my case it showed me clearly how badly I was handling the larger handguns and helped me settle down and put rounds on target. Years later as I entered into police work those basics were very helpful at the academy and all the years following....
 
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I think she is scared of the guns, she seems to tense up when pulling the trigger and doesn't seem to understand when the trigger will break.

There is some light at the end of the tunnel, here... "[she] doesn't seem to understand when the trigger will break." is a good thing. Why?

Every. Shot. Should be a Surprise.

That she doesn't know exactly where the trigger will break makes no difference if she continues to ANTICIPATE *bang!*. This is why "every shot should be a surprise".

Jeff Cooper when teaching pistolcraft talked of the "surprise break" and the "compressed surprise break"... we know when we want the gun to fire in that we will the gun to fire by starting the trigger pull. The trick to not flinching is NOT! knowing the exact nanosecond the sear trips the hammer. Every shot should be a surprise.

(Then there are the tactifools on yewtewb who think that no shot should be a surprise because they think that an ND. They are missing the point of this mental exercise entirely.)

And if your list of mostly (?) 9mm pistols isn't working for her you may want to rent a .22 handgun if possible. Or get her onto a .22-chambered rifle.
 
To echo what was previously suggested, I have had the best luck using a revolver, partially loading the cylinder (leaving uneven gaps) myself, then letting the person shoot it without knowing when/if it will go off.
Often, when they see how badly they are flinching (on an empty chamber) they realize they have an issue to fix, and really begin to try.
 
The real question is does she want to learn not to flinch? If she's gritting her teeth and shooting with you just because you want her there, not because she wants to be there, she may not have any motivation to improve.

If she really does want to lose the flinch, then you need to send her to another instructor, preferably a woman. Regardless of how many people you've taught to shoot, you're her husband, and the dynamic is completely different.

There are two things a husband should never try to teach their wife: How to shoot, and how to drive a stick shift.
 
Some basic principles I've found useful in helping folks starting out.

  1. The first principle of accurate shooting is trigger control: a smooth press straight back on the trigger with only the trigger finger moving. Maintain your focus on the front sight (or the reticle if using a scope) as you press the trigger, increasing pressure on the trigger until the shot breaks. Don't try to predict exactly when the gun will go off nor try to cause the shot to break at a particular moment. This is what Jeff Cooper called the "surprise break."

  2. By keeping focus on the front sight and increasing pressure on the trigger until the gun essentially shoots itself, you don’t anticipate the shot breaking. But if you try to make the shot break at that one instant in time when everything seem steady and aligned, you usually wind up jerking the trigger.

  3. Follow through by maintaining the focus on the front sight throughout the recoil pulse.

  4. Of course the gun will wobble a bit on the target. It is just not possible to hold the gun absolutely steady. Because you are alive, there will always be a slight movement caused by all the tiny movement associated with being alive: your heart beating; tiny muscular movements necessary to maintain your balance, etc. Try not to worry about the wobble and don’t worry about trying to keep the sight aligned on a single point. Just let the front sight be somewhere in a small, imaginary box in the center of the target. And of course, properly using some form of rest will also help minimize wobble.

  5. In our teaching we avoid using the words "squeeze" or "pull" to describe the actuation of the trigger. We prefer to refer to "pressing" the trigger. The word "press" seems to better describe the process of smoothly pressing the trigger straight back, with only the trigger finger moving, to a surprise break.

  6. You'll want to be able to perform the fundamentals reflexively, on demand without conscious thought. You do that by practicing them slowly to develop smoothness. Then smooth becomes fast.

    • Remember that practice doesn't make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect.

    • Practice also makes permanent. If you keep practicing doing something poorly, you will become an expert at doing it poorly.

  7. Many people are uncomfortable with the idea of the gun firing "by surprise." They feel that when using the gun for practical applications, e. g., hunting or self defense, they need to be able to make the gun fire right now. But if you try to make the gun fire right now, you will almost certainly jerk the trigger thus jerking the gun off target and missing your shot. That's where the "compressed surprise break" comes in.

    • As you practice (perfectly) and develop the facility to reflexively (without conscious thought) apply a smooth, continuously increasing pressure to the trigger the time interval between beginning to press and the shot breaking gets progressively shorter until it become indistinguishable from being instantaneous. In other words, that period of uncertainty during which the shot might break, but you don't know exactly when, becomes vanishingly short. And that is the compressed surprise break.

    • Here's an interesting video in which Jeff Cooper explains the compressed surprise break. While he is demonstrating with a handgun, the same principles apply with a rifle.

For about the past eight years I've been teaching with a group of other instructors putting on monthly Basic Handgun classes. Probably 80% to 90% of our students had never touched a real gun before. Our class enrollment runs 20% to 40% female. We have students of all ages from early 20s to us more seasoned types.

In addition to the core lectures, we do a lot of "hands-on" work with the students. The students handle a variety of revolvers and semi-autos under direct supervision, one-on-one, of an instructor. They use dummy rounds to load and unload the guns, dry fire and generally learn how things work and feel, and they get continual safety reinforcement.

These initial hands-on exercises help students get familiar with handling gun and lay a foundation for safe gun handling habits. Working one-on-one with an instructor in this way we can continually reinforce safe gun handling by pinting out gently, but immediately, a lapse.

Then in preparation for live fire, and after the "marksmanship" lecture, we work one-on-one with students on grip and stance using "blue" inert training guns.

Before going to live fire with .22s, the students shoot airsoft (the quality type) in the classroom so they can get a feel for sight alignment and trigger control (and reset) without the noise and intimidation factor (for beginners) of firing real ammunition.

After the students fire their 25 rounds of .22 (working one-on-one with an instructor), we put out a variety of guns from 9mm to .44 Magnum so the students can get the experience of firing the larger calibers. Shooting the centerfire guns is at each student's option. Most fire them all, but some choose not to.

When someone has gone through our program, it's not uncommon for her/him to be shooting 1.5 to 2.0 inch groups at seven yards with the heavy calibers. A few months ago, a petite young woman who had never fired any type of gun before out shot everyone, including her husband, with the .44 Magnum -- putting three rounds into about an inch at 7 yards.

This group (six rounds at seven yards) was fired during the last part of the live fire period at one of our Basic Handgun classes. It was fired by a middle aged woman who attended our class with her two adult daughters. She had never fired a handgun before our class; she had fired a rifle only a few times. It was fired with a Ruger Red Hawk -- three rounds in .44 Special and three in .44 Magnum.


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And here is one of her daughters looking with an instructor at a group of six shots she had just fired at seven yards with a Colt Python (three rounds of .38 Special and three of .357 Magnum). She had never fired a gun before.


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But I cannot fix this. Basically she is so bad that if she is shooting at you, you have nothing to worry about.

Get her some professional help.

It did wonders for my wife. I too struggled to teach her, but I swallowed my pride and sent her to a couple classes.

unwilling to do that at least let her shoot 22LR till she is proficient.
 
I host a free ladies night once a week where ladies can come in and get free instruction, free gun rentals and free range time. All they have to pay for is ammo.

I encounter the flinch to varying degrees every week.

I do a couple of things to help with this:

1. Start new shooters on .22 pistol (usually Browning Buckmark)

2. Explain that there are two elements present when shooting a gun: You and the Gun. The gun is a machine. You cannot stop the machine.
Your job is to line up the sights, press the trigger straight to the rear. That's it.
Then the gun will take over and do it's thing.
Then bring it back on target and start your process over again.

Those things paired with proper technique for grip/stance/sight picture/trigger press and positive reinforcement usually work pretty well.

I find that confidence is as big a hurdle as proper technique.
 
Get her some professional help.

It did wonders for my wife. I too struggled to teach her, but I swallowed my pride and sent her to a couple classes.

unwilling to do that at least let her shoot 22LR till she is proficient.
+1

there is a relationship there that does not always lend itself well to teaching shooting.

Its a natural part of being married.
 
One of the things that we did to help break my wife of flinching was I loaded the gun with 2 live and 1 dummy, and not let her know what order. Then let her shoot when she hit the round that was the dummy she was able to realize that she was flinching. Sometimes just being aware of the fact that you are flinching can help not do it.
 
As someone who has overcome a very real and persistent flinch, and who has helped others do the same, I can tell you that there's a lot of information out there that isn't wrong, per se, but doesn't actually CURE a real, sure-enough flinch. Dummy rounds, for instance, will reveal a flinch, but they don't cure it if it's a serious flinch. Dry fire is awesome... for trigger control. Doesn't deal with a real flinch.

A real flinch begins with the eyes. Everyone who has a real flinch blinks the instant before the gun goes off. They do not see the sights, so they do not see them dip. Their conscious mind knows that they are flinching (because they understand that the bullets don't go 2' low and left without it), but the conscious mind isn't what flinches. It's the unconscious part of the mind, the part that reacts faster than your conscious mind can.

So what does work? This:

1. Both the shooter and instructor need to realize that a reflex is being fought. An object is about to jerk around in your hand like it's got a spirit, a very loud noise will occur, and you are going to get blasted with a pressure wave to the face. The fact that someone's body is wired to protect itself against this is not something to be embarrassed or ashamed of. Take shame off the table. This will help with the patience required for the rest of the plan.

2. Get a .22lr. No, a 9mm doesn't work. No, a .38 doesn't work. Just use a .22. Period. Heck, most flinchers will flinch with an airsoft gun. Do NOT make this any harder than it needs to be.

3. Double plug. Plugs, fully and properly inserted into the ears, and then muffs on top. And safety glasses that FULLY cover the eyes. And, especially for women, a shirt with a high neckline (brass down the chest doesn't feel good and will reinforce a flinch). And maybe a hat.

4. Go to the range/line, but DO NOT HANG A TARGET. The berm/backstop is all you're going to shoot towards. Get a good grip. No, a good grip. A crummy grip will allow/make the gun jump around more and increase the sensation of recoil and loss of control and scariness. Grip that thing high. No, higher.

5. Point the gun downrange, but at nothing in particular. Look at the gun. Don't worry about the sights, just look at the gun. Now, pull the trigger and WATCH the gun go off. Did you see it? What color was the muzzle flash? Which way did the brass go (if a semi)? Was there any b/c blast (if a revolver)? How high did it go in recoil? Oh, you didn't see any of that? OK, try again.

6. If, after about 20-40 rounds fired singly you still cannot get your eyes to stay open enough to see the shot, drastic measures will be called for. No, not toothpicks in the eyes. A bill drill. Load up a magazine with at least half a dozen rounds (or fill the cylinder). Now point at the backstop and pull the trigger as fast as you can. At some point, your blinks will be mistimed and you will see the gun going off. Do it again.

7. Every time the gun goes off and you see it and your eyes are not blasted full of metal shards, your subconscious mind develops a tiny bit more trust that seeing the gun go off isn't dangerous. This is what you need. You're trying to build up the trust enough that the blink/flinch reflex can be consciously overcome on a constant basis. It may take hundreds of rounds to really get there. At first, you may only see one out of every 8 or 10 shots. That's ok. That 8th or 10th shot builds the trust. Shoot 8 more and get one more piece of trust into your subconscious.

The day that I finally broke myself of my flinch, I ran an entire 525 round pack of federal .22lr through my little Buckmark. About halfway through the box, things got a lot better. You have to be OK with this. See #1.

8. Once you can see the gun go off all the time, you can easily switch your focus to the sights and watch them all the way through the shot. After that, you're off to your lifelong work on trigger control!

9. Once you're working on trigger control with a .22lr, you can also think about moving up in power... but the flinch is likely to come back. Go back and forth between .22 and centerfire stuff. Accept that your brain may be willing to trust a .22 but not a 9mm yet. You'll have to build trust with/for the 9. Or the 40 or 45 or .500 S&W or whatever it is you're trying to shoot.

END OF LIST

Now, if a person has only a mild flinch, they may not need to follow this method. This is the medicine for a real, profound flinch that is resistant to other methods. A flinch that persists for years. Like mine was. This method works for that kind of flinch.
 
Sounds like when I tried to teach my wife play tennis last winter. :)

Try this:

Use a .22 so her flinch doesn't get permanent.
Turn the target around so only the white is seen, no black. (The black steals her focus from the frontsight and increases flinching)
Then tell her to just aim somewhere in the middle.
Triggerjob goes like this: Mostl bad shots are caused by losing focus of the frontsight.
So tell her to focus like an eagle on the frontsight while pulling the trigger.
The flinching, if not caused by fear of recoil, should be improved by teaching her "follow through", which means to keep aiming and keep looking at the frontsight a little longer. Say two seconds after the shot has left the barrel, while she still continues to aim, looking at the frontsight. Remember to tell her it doesnt matter exactly where she is inside the target. Whats important is that she keeps the frontsight aligned with the rear sight at all times through the shot and particularly AFTERWARDS.

After a few weeks or months with the white target, she may try the black dot again. She will probably start flinching somewhat again when she tries to "catch" the black, but with practice it should now improve.
 
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I would look at a .22 auto, or a CO2-powered BB/pellet gun to practice with, something that actually goes off as opposed to dry-firing, and let her work her way up to a "bigger bang".

ETA: Sorry, didn't see the victory listed the first time. Maybe a .22 rifle to get the flash further from her face, or try the BB/pellet gun? Then, after she is more comfortable, come back to the ones you listed.
I agree with everyone who suggested handing her a .22 LR pistol. She is anticipating the bang which she seems afraid of. Teach her sight picture and sight alignment while holding and squeezing as well as breathing control. Once she figures the .22 doesn't bark or recoil much she should lose the fear. Let her get proficient with just one gun, the .22 for quite awhile before handing her anything else.

Ron
 
Lots of good stuff here. IMHO, the two best suggestions have already been stated.

#1 Dry firing. Do it over and over again with the firearm she is flinching with. It is muscle memory plain and simple. It is probably the single most important thing any shooter can do to overcome all kinds of less desirable habits like flinching or shooting with one eye closed. I don't usually buy into the gizmos out there but I really like the laserlyte training cartridges in addition to dry firing.

#2 Dummy rounds. I know some don't buy into this but I most certainly do. One of the easiest ways to accomplish this is with a revolver. I load 1 round in the cylinder and close it before giving it to the shooter. Just being able to actually visualize what they do when they flinch when the gun doesn't go off helps correct the problem. I have seen this method help a lot of new shooters.
 
I am not a firearms instructor but I was a Marine and I have taught a few people the basics of shooting. But I cannot fix this. Basically she is so bad that if she is shooting at you, you have nothing to worry about. I hope I am describing this correctly. I think some formal training is needed but I wanted some opinions, maybe a quick fix, something I have not thought of.

Have someone else teach her; someone who has trained women (outside of the military) before. I trained women in the military, women who outranked me, now that was a challenge. ;)

It is almost always best to have someone you trust teach your spouse/significant other how to shoot, just because of the interpersonal dynamics involved.

A well-qualified female instructor can work wonders with women who have not shot before, or have and need to unlearn bad habits.
 
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