How do you feel about a Laser on an AR...?

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Just as the title says, I am curious as to you all's thoughts of running a laser on an AR? I have mixed feelings about them, but I got this new LinQ system for free and figured I might should try it out before passing it along. Thoughts? Sighting in distance recommended for something like this? I am not even really sure it will need sighted in but I like to know exactly where the rounds are going to hit. Anyways let me know. I can't wait to see the discussion on this...
 
Unless it's a green laser or IR laser what's the point?

A standard civilian grade red laser doesn't work well at all unless you're in low light conditions. Even a civilian grade green laser isn't all that visible outside on most days.

An IR laser only works if you have the night vision devices to go with it.
 
The really good ones are expensive. But they are a great aiming device for low light conditions.
 
Lasers are worthless in daylight. You can only see the dot indoors or in low light.

On a rifle, (visible light) lasers are really only useful for aimed fire from unusual positions. Otherwise, you're better off using real sights. Night, dot, or otherwise.

Does it have a flashlight function? Lights are more useful.
 
Consumer grade lasers in the lower price ranges don't offer the high powers of gov't issue. That limits the application which is largely governed by regulations on output and the abuse people indulge in aiming them at airplanes, etc. There's a growing concern over misuse with high powered one - they will blind people.

We get left with the ones comparable to cat toys and that's about it. Hard to see in broad daylight and tiny pin points of light which often disappear on some backgrounds or which are hard to pick out in the clutter. If it wasn't for our ability to detect motion and our inability to hold it steady we'd probably not see them much at all in some situations. It definitely limits our use.

One workaround is to expand the dot - instead of trying to use a tiny spot, use a laser emitter which displays something bigger. The intent is that you will pick up on a much larger dot - or plate - and it can also illuminate the target enough to ID who or what it is. At this point it becomes a laser powered adjustable flashlight.

Now you can not only target but ID and in close quarter situations you have accomplished both with just one device. It becomes a lot less complicated, one less button to push and less weight handing off the front of the weapon, too. Unfortunately the fad of following the military and its adoption of the PEQ devices with two light emitters is slowing this down.

Here's the back to back - with the current traditional lights you have to flash the white light to ID while also pointing the laser where it will be targeted, vs sticking the larger laser illuminator on the target where it projects a center of mass beam where the shot will land. There are pros and cons for both, but the issue of them both being limited power for civilians will get glossed over by all the veterans and cops who will claim the military issue is superior. Of course it is - for hundreds of dollars more, likely more than the firearm costs. That is a major obstacle in a market where scopes at that cost are slow sellers, too.

My interest was for an AR pistol to use in hunting (not yet legal in MO) and self defense. Repeatability of zero would then be important for me as it must come off the two season I'd like to use it in the field. Oh well. If it would project a dinner plate sized beam at 50m or 21 feet, so much the better. Most of those are currently sourced from China, supply and quality is spotty, and the varmint industry here with the same suppliers is about locked up with no competition. Until we change how we think lasers should be used from the myth that you will hit where the tiny dot points, there's not going to be much traction. And it's not a good thing that the green lasers are horribly inefficient with high consumption power sources getting filtered for just one wavelength, either. The breakthru will be an actual viridian green emitter which is true and doesn't cost and arm and a leg.
 
Just as the title says, I am curious as to you all's thoughts of running a laser on an AR? I have mixed feelings about them, but I got this new LinQ system for free and figured I might should try it out before passing it along. Thoughts? Sighting in distance recommended for something like this? I am not even really sure it will need sighted in but I like to know exactly where the rounds are going to hit. Anyways let me know. I can't wait to see the discussion on this...

It will cost you nothing but your time to find out. Yes, you must sight it in. I recommend 25 yards. I find lasers a trifle annoying because the dot jumps when tracking across foreground objects and various backgrounds. The dot, furthermore, appears differently against different materials: glass, metal, clothing...

The idea is to put an aiming reference downrange where it is, obviously, in the same plane as the target. In some military uses, a laser may also be used to indicate a target for others, which is alone where I see an advantage over heads-up sights of the dot or hologram kinds.

As others have already told you, the commonplace off the shelf laser sights are rather feeble in the brightness department, but then again, many defensive shootings happen indoors and/or at night.

The LinQ includes a bright flashlight--so it's surely good for that reason. :)
 
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Interesting concept. You got a heck of a freebie. I have a green laser integrated into the housing of a red dot I have on one of my ARs. As noted they aren't much in bright daylight however you can expect to seem the dot out to perhaps 15 meters. In full sunlight I have a target which is partially shaded at 50 meters and the dot is highly visible. I have a red laser made specifically for my 10/22 and use it frequently at night against armadillos, skunks, etc. No need to aim in the conventional sense. Just illuminate the target and fire. One night I was on my elevated front porch and an armadillo was a solid 15 meters out in the yard. To test the laser accuracy, I swung the .22 behind my butt, dotted the diller and fired. Perfect hit. If you get your laser dialed in at whatever distance you prefer, I find them to be useful. Weeks ago I got a bit bored and found a Butler Creek folding stock for the 10/22. Installed it and it was a perfect fit. In order to install the laser to the new stock, I had to do about 30 minutes worth of filing, sanding, etc on the front of the stock. No biggie and it fit well. Knowing full well I would be required to re-zero the laser. Not having done that, night before last I spotted a skunk about 20 meters or so (00:30). For the heck of it I engaged it with the .22. Hit it and continued to hit it as it walked / stumbled for the next 10 meters or so. I was shocked that evidently, Through having the new stock and the work I did on it a one in a million oddity happened which could have only resulted in matching dimensions, etc of the factory Ruger stock / laser relationship. True story. I also mounted an el cheapo red dot. Zeroed it yesterday using the laser and a chamber style laser bore sighter. It's right on the money at 25 meters. Here's the Ruger before / after.

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"Lasers are not good in daylight".
That is why nobody removes their open sights when mounting laser.
In low light and indoors they indicate point of aim while maximizing peripheral vision.
In addition, I think a red dot on a bad guys chest would further motivate them to back down.
 
For me a LASER or even a flashlight on an AR is about as useless as teats on a bull. Simply because I have no use for either. Now for someone with an actual need for a LASER on an AR I would guess they are as great as sliced bread. My AR rifles are all shot at targets and used for target shooting applications. They never see use in a tactical situation and never will. If your AR has a reason for a LASER other than tacticool or cool factor then by all means mount a LASER to it. I just see it as a matter of the intended application for the rifle. The application either does or does not warrant a LASER.

Ron
 
I use the Crimson Trace Green grip mounted lazer. It works at 25 yds. in the day light. I really don't understand the idea that a lazer should work at High Noon on a sunny day? I can see the sights under those conditions.
I use the lazer for shooting at Jack Rabbits as the sun sinks away.:) I have mounted a Red Crimson Trace on my M-4 Jeep rifle. I have not found Red to be as good as the Green.
 
I have found one great use for lasers that saves both time and money.

I bought a cheap <$10 laser level with 1/4-20 threads for tripod mounting and welded 2, 1/4-20 bolts together at 90 deg (need windage and elevation adjustments), then machined an aluminum V block mount with a 1/4-20 thread as well.

Clamp the mount to the barrel and adjust the laser so it is zeroed to the current optic (or iron sights) then I can remove and replace the current optic with any other and zero back to the laser.

A no shot zero that is as exact as the last zero you had. Makes moving optics around very easy.

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For me a LASER or even a flashlight on an AR is about as useless as teats on a bull. Simply because I have no use for either. Now for someone with an actual need for a LASER on an AR I would guess they are as great as sliced bread. My AR rifles are all shot at targets and used for target shooting applications. They never see use in a tactical situation and never will. If your AR has a reason for a LASER other than tacticool or cool factor then by all means mount a LASER to it. I just see it as a matter of the intended application for the rifle. The application either does or does not warrant a LASER.

Ron
That should always be the case. But I do use them against inanimate targets to maintain proficiency and check zero.
 
I've been playing with a relatively cheap (~$120) green laser on one of my rifles for the last few months. It's interesting but really has limited utility on a rifle with a red dot. I think it would be best on a rifle with a magnified optic and zeroed for use at close range.
 
I put one on an AR that I use for varmint control here on the farm. It doesn't really add much to what the red dot will do, other than shooting with a heads-up position or shooting in low light without other illumination. I sighted at 25 yards, played with it for awhile, then took it off. I still have a surefire scout weapon light with contact strip and the red dot sight mounted.
It was sorta fun when I waited in the truck with the window down exactly 25 yards away from the bait oops I meant feed pans when the coons and sometimes the coyotes showed up.
 
For the curious, here's a pic of my AR when I was setting zero at 25 meters for both the red dot and integrated green laser. The red is the cartridge - style laser bore sight. Similarly powered but different bandwidths. Noticeably brighter with the naked eye.

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25 meter set - up
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Bore sight only
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Green over red
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Close up of green over red /// splotchy because of my zoomed photo
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After these I did the final tweak to the green laser and it was and remains dead on.
 
Unless it's a green laser or IR laser what's the point?

A standard civilian grade red laser doesn't work well at all unless you're in low light conditions. Even a civilian grade green laser isn't all that visible outside on most days.

An IR laser only works if you have the night vision devices to go with it.

Basically, yup. My service rifle had lasers (plural) on it. Some were more useful than others. A visible red laser, IR laser, and a green laser. The green laser was great. I mostly used it for pointing out "hey look at that/this" to other people. I still have that green laser so it might go on my AR eventually.
 
I have a friend that has a Surefire X400 on one of his rifles. Works decently during the day if not in direct sunlight. At night it is easily visible out to at least 300 yards.
 
I have 2 green lasers, both on AR pistols.

I shoot both from the hip, waist, chest high. As long as good trigger control is used, they hit where the dot is. The beauty of these, is that you have awareness of where the bullet impact should be, and both your eyes are freed up to take in more of your surroundings.

On a rifle, I figure they may or may not be worthwhile; that's up to the user. But in a home defense role/situation, they allow unlimited opportunities to practice from different angles, grips, strong side, weak side, etc. while helping improve trigger control.

I'd say, you have nothing to lose to try it.
 
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