How does a company buy a gun?

[freakshow10mm]

A firearm must transfer from an FFL to an FFL or to an individual as defined on a Form 4473.

If a company is not an FFL, it must transfer to the company on a 4473.

Since you cannot conduct a NICS check on a company for a 4473 the company cannot file a 4473 and accept transfer. It is only for naturalized persons.

The Form 1 or Form 4 for NFA weapons is the background check. That information on the F1 or F4 is duplicated on the 4473 and the NFA exception to the NICS is checked in the appropriate box. A representative of the entity signs for the NFA weapon on the 4473.

 

[CleverNickname]

If an agent of a company buys a title I firearm with company funds, then the comany owns the firearm. The fact that the agent has to personally pass a NICS check in order to have the firearm transfered to him from an FFL makes no difference as to who actually owns the firearm.
Also, what if this agent purchases a firearm in a private sale with company funds? No background check is needed at all. Either way he's just purchasing an asset for the company, just like anything else he might purchase. Background checks and ownership are two different things.

 

[kludge]

Clever,

Isn't that how a straw purchase is defined?

... just sayin'

 

[rogertc1]

The DOD would have requirements for your research contract. I suggest you contact them.

 

[CleverNickname]

If it's illegal to answer yes to question 12a on the 4473 if you're buying a firearm as an agent of a company, then it's illegal whether it's a title I firearm or a title II firearm. A 4473 has to be filled out anytime an FFL transfers a gun to a non-licensee. No one's disagreeing that title II firearms can't be owned by a company and transfered to a corporate agent, so answering yes to that question for a transfer to someone acting as a corporate agent must be legal.

 

[freakshow10mm]

Riddle me this:

If a company can buy a firearm on a 4473, then why can't a company obtain a C&R FFL?

 

[.455_Hunter]

The DOD would have requirements for your research contract. I suggest you contact them.

Not necessarily. Many gov't research contracts are very open ended when it come to equipment purchases.

I am still waiting for the BATF response.

 

[inclinebench]

My company does some ballistic related stuff. We need to go out and shoot things. Lucky me, I am the guy with guns and land to shoot them on, so I just use my guns, but work buys the ammo. Work offered to pay for me to take a firearms safety class, but I had already taken some (had my ccw permit already). If I were you, I would volunteer to do the shooting, and get work to buy ammo. Works for me.

 

[CleverNickname]

But a corporation can obtain a C&R FFL. Read 27 CFR 478.47. It clearly states the ATF should accept a form 7CR from a number of entities, including a corporation.

 

[SpecialKalltheway]

well my offer is still on the table, but the price may have to rise the longer you wait. Perhaps double the price so I can buy 2 of what you want. That way when you blow one up I'll have one fully functioning one and parts

 

[.455_Hunter]

Response from our AFT contact:


The ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record Part 1 - Over the Counter

Form look at Page 3 of 6, right hand side Section A, 2nd paragraph.



When the buyer of a firearm is a corporation, company, association,

partnership or other such business entity, an officer authorized to act

on behalf of the business must complete Section A of the form with his

or her personal information, sign Section A, and attach a written

statement, executed under penalties of perjury stating: (A) the firearm

is being acquired for the use of and will be the property of the

business entity and (B) the name and address of that business entity.



Hope this answers your question/concerns.


Armed with this info., I am going open a dialog with one of our local shops.