How long before thehighroad is outright censored???

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Given the new political and social climate as well as the unbelieveable stupidity of SCOTUS as of late. I am just wondering when McCain/Feingold will come up with a bill limiting messageboards or avenues such as this?

The next logical step for these totally illogical hipocrites is going to be outright censorship. I'm just curious as to how long some on here think it will be (and yes it WILL be!) before postings start dissapearing and or certain threads just not showing up at all.

Have no fear though.....It will all be in the name of "homeland security" and it will be for "our own collective good".

just curious....I am new here so be nice.

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We already have a degree of censorship. It is like gun control. The 1st Amendment guarantees freedom of speech and the 2nd guarantees the RKBA. Over the years, the government has placed restrictions on both and in both cases, restrictions are still being added.

Now it is just a matter of how far the government wishes to take those restrictions. And how far the citizens let them take the restrictions. If they can convince Americans the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean what it says (which they have done to a great many), it's just a matter of time until they get the peasants to believe the other amendments do not mean what they say either.

Remember, the Germans didn't just wake up one day in 1939 to find Hitler and the Nazis in total control of the country. It took years of propaganda to convince the citizens they needed to give up some of their freedoms for the good of the country and national security. And the Germans happily gave up those freedoms one-by-one.
 
The attacks on Liberty are rarely direct...

They are usually from the side, attacking some supporting, secondary, but interlocking structure.

THR will never be voluntarily censored by its owners. Rather, some ruling, regulation, or law will come down the pike based on "accountability of forum owners" or some such rot "not to provide venues for double plus ungood thinking".

Under this hypothetical scenario, Oleg & Co would find themselves criminally and or civilly liable if a forum member should run off and do something drastic.

Thus they would find a way to "motivate" forum owners not to run the risk of tolerating dissent.

Secondary structures are vulnerable. Although I might theoretically need my NJ FID if I were stopped by a policeman on the way to the range and had firearms in the car, that has never happened, nor is it likely to.

The times I've NEEDED to show my FID was to my fellow citizen, so that HE wouldn't go to jail for selling me a gun.

Thus, we are set against each other, and become the hatchet men of our own oppression.

No tax man knocks on my door demanding gold. He doesn't need to. My employer does it for him.

The examples go on and on and on.
 
geekwitha.45 said:
THR will never be voluntarily censored by its owners.
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Actually it already is. We don't discuss illegal activety or advocate things like overthrowing the government. the members do a good job of policing this themselves but there have been threads closed and removed. To my knowledge there has never been a judgement against the owner r members of an internet forum. But the 1st Amendment was hit with a staggering blow a few years back when Soldier of Fortune magazine was hit with a civil judgement over a classified ad and Paladin Press paid a judgement over a book the published. I would guess the only thing that has kept forums and chatrooms out of court is that they don't have big enough pockets to make it worth an attorney's time. There have certainly been several high profile crimes where the assailant and victim met on a forum or in a chat room.

Jeff
 
I think one big movement towards indirect cencorship as, 45 geek was pointing, would tax on internet traffic. Think about it, no more email notifications of posts, no more mass email alerts without paying and while the 1 cent or whatever they prupose doesnt sound like much mulipy that by (how many members on THR? a few thousand? multiply that times how many times something important might come out that requiers a mass email. While this may sound slightly alarmist I think it is reasonable to consider this an indirect attack on our freedom of speech and information.
 
i heard on the "shocking" Don & Mike radio show yesterday that,
Infinity comunications was fined again for what a radio personality said on air.

the corporation "respectfully declined" to pay the 25kbuck fine

during the last presidential election, Don went republican

i wonder if they are going to throttleback the political speech this season
 
We don't censor much. Rules can be summed up quickly:

Don't act like a butthead.

Don't commit any Smith Act violations. (Technically covered under the butthead prohibition above.)

That's it.

If we start to get heat within 2 months of the next election, ummmmmmm, well, maybe I won't finish this sentence.
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Self-censorship (i.e., board rules of decorum) is one thing. Censorship by the govt. is something completely different. With regard to the latter, .gov has moved on to more sophisticated, and effective, methods...

The current strategy, by various .gov agencies, when they want to break up dissident groups, is to infiltrate the group with undercover agents. Said agents can usually be identified as those most strongly suggesting illegal actions...their mission is to establish prima facie evidence against the genuine members of the group. Agent provocateurs.

Keeping this in mind, may explain some of the more inflammatory posts we see on THR :D Censorship? Why kill the goose that lays the golden egg (if you're Agent Schmuckatelli)?
 
Well, it doesn't really matter much... The government could shut this board down, and another will take it's place.. offshore if necessary...

China tried to censor the net, and within months many ways to work around it were in place.
 
No, it's a real live Act, law of the land and all that. It outlaws discussing or planning the overthrow of the government.
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Ahh, Alien Registration Act. Vaugely rings a bell now...

thanks for the link, I may read it later...
 
Go to Gun Owners of America website, and read the latest from them on the IRS getting in on enforcing the McCain/Fiengold garbage, and be sick all over your keyboard. What we fear is no longer theoretical, it is real, and about to happen.:cuss:
 
I forget which libertarian speaker it was who was going on network TV, but as they prepped him in the green room, they laid out what was and wasn't a no-no.

Said the production assistant, "and of course, you can't advocate the violent overthrow of the government". :scrutiny:

The fellow didn't miss a beat, and asked, "Can I advocate the violent restoration of Constitutional government?"

The p.a. blanched and fled, and the guy never got an answer.


(If anyone knows more details on this event, I'd love to have them!)


Re the Smith Act:

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong......

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States

the Smith Act
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The Declaration of Independence.
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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I think I'll take this one. :uhoh:

This thread is quite the eye-opener. Personally, I hope they try it. I hope they do it so blatantly that some of the sheep wake up.

Wes
 
Wes

I seriously doubt the average joe gives a crap about the erosion of his rights. Why? Quite simply because they're too stupid and short-sighted to see how such rights-infringing legislation and court rulings may affect them in several years.

As long as they can be kept fat, lazy, ignorant, and happy, Americans just don't care. And, by the time they do care, it'll be too late.
 
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