How long will the supply of M1 Garands hold out?

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I want to get myself one but not for a about a year and a half, this may be a stupid question, but will they still be fairly easy to get via the CMP and online auctions in a year and a half? Is the supply showing signs of dwindling? Will the price increase dramatically?
 
The inventory that CMP has is not made public. So how long it will last is anybody's guess.

When indications that the M1 Carbines were getting in short supply, they finished selling out very fast, in a month or two.

Once the CMP is out of Garands, they will still be available on the open market but probably at prices a bit higher than what CMP is selling them for.

In my opinion, I would not wait a year and a half if you want a CMP Garand.
 
I agree with Chuck. Even when the CMP supply dries up there will be plenty of them on the open market. There are literally millions of them out there. I am sure great rifles will be available but you will just end up paying more for what the CMP is offering today.

I just saw a CMP rifle on Armslist which was a $650 CMP rifle for $675. Sometimes people get them and later decide a M1 Garand was not something they really wanted. I am also seeing plenty at gun shows that are very good rifles in the $900 price range.

If possible I would not wait a year as what is available will not decrease in cost.

Ron
 
One of the advantages of going directly with CMP is you will get exactly what they describe as far as condition is concerned (and sometimes better).

I would highly recommend not waiting and shopping for the grade you want from CMP. You will not regret it (borrow the money if you have to).

Dan
 
I agree with Dan.

With a CMP purchase you aren't gong to get a gun that is a bunch of worn out, rebuilt, or probematic parts some collector culled out of the other M1s in his collection.

From CMP you know every part is what it is supposed to be. You won't find commercial parts mixed in if the description doesn't say so.

The best way to buy a M1 IMO is to order a SGS (or Correct grade if available). Then you have correct parts that are all in new condition (other than stock and stock metal), most likely on a late production rifle built at a time SA was putting out really well built rifles. Note that new condition parts are not the same as used parts that are refinished to look like new.

Any way that is my 2 cents if you want a great gun with a long service life ahead of it, and that is most likely to be trouble free.
 
Do you think the "Special Grades" will last longer, considering they are made with many new parts, excluding the receiver? (I'd imagine there are a lot of M1 receivers mated with unserviceable barrels which could be donors.).
 
If I had xx number of something very sought after that I wanted to sell, I'd always keep xx a bit of a mystery.

In fact, I'd like it very much if the rumor mill said I was running low.
 
Do you think the "Special Grades" will last longer, considering they are made with many new parts, excluding the receiver? (I'd imagine there are a lot of M1 receivers mated with unserviceable barrels which could be donors.).
When you say last longer I assume you mean being able to fire more rounds before a failure? Then I would say yes. However, keep in mind that any part can fail on any given day but the odds are against it with a Special Grade rifle. Nice thing about the CMP is if you do experience a problem they are there for you with service and support. This can't generally be said of the guy you met walking the gun show last Saturday. :)

As to:
(I'd imagine there are a lot of M1 receivers mated with unserviceable barrels which could be donors.).

In many cases the CMP removes shot out or worn barrels and replaces the barrel with a new manufacture aftermarket Criterion manufacture barrel. They head space the barrel with an added bolt and sell a barreled receiver with bolt, as can be seen on their website. They will be happy to sell the do it yourself types a barreled receiver.

The M1 Garand while a great rifle is also a pretty complex piece of machinery. Unless a perspective buyer knows the rifle inside out and wanders a gun show with a pocket full of gauges it becomes real easy to get a pig in a poke for a rifle. I am not saying all gun show sales of M1 Garands are bad or a pig in a poke rifle. I am saying unless someone really knows what to look for that the CMP is as great as sliced bread. You know what you are getting for your money with support after the sale.

I can show you parts I have removed from M1 Garands that are unserviceable parts. Those same unserviceable parts could easily be parkerized and placed in a rifle. They will look just as pretty as can be. I doubt you would want that rifle. :)

Ron
 
When you say last longer I assume you mean being able to fire more rounds before a failure? Then I would say yes. However, keep in mind that any part can fail on any given day but the odds are against it with a Special Grade rifle. Nice thing about the CMP is if you do experience a problem they are there for you with service and support. This can't generally be said of the guy you met walking the gun show last Saturday. :)

As to:


In many cases the CMP removes shot out or worn barrels and replaces the barrel with a new manufacture aftermarket Criterion manufacture barrel. They head space the barrel with an added bolt and sell a barreled receiver with bolt, as can be seen on their website. They will be happy to sell the do it yourself types a barreled receiver.

The M1 Garand while a great rifle is also a pretty complex piece of machinery. Unless a perspective buyer knows the rifle inside out and wanders a gun show with a pocket full of gauges it becomes real easy to get a pig in a poke for a rifle. I am not saying all gun show sales of M1 Garands are bad or a pig in a poke rifle. I am saying unless someone really knows what to look for that the CMP is as great as sliced bread. You know what you are getting for your money with support after the sale.

I can show you parts I have removed from M1 Garands that are unserviceable parts. Those same unserviceable parts could easily be parkerized and placed in a rifle. They will look just as pretty as can be. I doubt you would want that rifle. :)

Ron
I didn't mean service life with my first question, I meant supply. My reasoning is: There are fewer complete Garands than there are Garand receivers. The CMP only needs a receiver to make a special grade rifle, most every other part is new, therefore, there are more potential special grade garands than there are complete garands in stock.
 
My bad in assuming service life. Initially when I read it I had it correct then let myself believe service life... Go Figure! :)

OK, let's look at what CMP says about the special grade rifles:

M1 Garand, CMP Special (.30-06)
Allow 30-60 days for delivery.
M1 Garand Springfield Armory receiver. This is a completely refurbished rifle consisting of an original M1 Garand Springfield receiver, new production Criterion barrel, new production American Walnut stock and handguards, and new web sling. Receiver and most other parts are refinished USGI, but some parts may be new manufacture.

The problem I see is there are only so many of certain parts out there to be had. While aftermarket parts like stocks, hand guards, and even barrels are easy to come by many of the currently parts that are being refinished are not commercially available. For example parts like the operating rod or gas tube (I don't know of any aftermarket gas tubes) as well as many of the small parts like the bullet guide and like parts. Years ago (as little as 15 years ago) these parts were abundant and relatively inexpensive, they are slowly going away. They also have increased considerably in cost.

How long some of the marketed CMP variations will last is anyone's guess. One poster seeming in the know says based on their current sales they will have some rifle packages for another 3 years. I really don't know.

I have a few including an unusual match rifle actually chambered in 7mm-08 which is an odd Garand. I also have a good supply of parts to last me. If a private sale came my way for a good price I would likely grab it.

How long you wait is up to you. Life generally deals out other priorities over buying a new gun. If you have not done so already I suggest you borrow one if possible and shoot it. As I mentioned in an earlier post I have seen people buy an M1 Garand only to find out hindsight they really didn't care for the rifle.

Ron
 
My bad in assuming service life. Initially when I read it I had it correct then let myself believe service life... Go Figure! :)

OK, let's look at what CMP says about the special grade rifles:



The problem I see is there are only so many of certain parts out there to be had. While aftermarket parts like stocks, hand guards, and even barrels are easy to come by many of the currently parts that are being refinished are not commercially available. For example parts like the operating rod or gas tube (I don't know of any aftermarket gas tubes) as well as many of the small parts like the bullet guide and like parts. Years ago (as little as 15 years ago) these parts were abundant and relatively inexpensive, they are slowly going away. They also have increased considerably in cost.

How long some of the marketed CMP variations will last is anyone's guess. One poster seeming in the know says based on their current sales they will have some rifle packages for another 3 years. I really don't know.

I have a few including an unusual match rifle actually chambered in 7mm-08 which is an odd Garand. I also have a good supply of parts to last me. If a private sale came my way for a good price I would likely grab it.

How long you wait is up to you. Life generally deals out other priorities over buying a new gun. If you have not done so already I suggest you borrow one if possible and shoot it. As I mentioned in an earlier post I have seen people buy an M1 Garand only to find out hindsight they really didn't care for the rifle.

Ron
Well, I haven't shot one yet but I like historical weapons and have an affinity for iron sights (as well as young eyes which can make good use of them). If I can't get the Garand I'll probably go for a Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle. Though its a bolt action and not historically significant, it has desirable iron sights which are a priority for me.
 
Do you think the "Special Grades" will last longer, considering they are made with many new parts, excluding the receiver? (I'd imagine there are a lot of M1 receivers mated with unserviceable barrels which could be donors.).

I would definitely think so. I have owned 4 Specials. They contained some parts that were worn out or bent... althought they wore a nice refinish job. Now CMP made everything right, promptly, but as was my experience these guns can certainly contain problematic used and refinished parts. Incidentally, the only M1 I own that doesn't have a close op-rod to reciever fit is a Special.

The advantages of the Specials seem to be that you can get a WWII serial number (if that is important to you), and you get the Criterion barrel. The Criterion barrel seems to be pretty good. Mine have been. Additionally the Criterions than I have owned have had a snug fit with the gas clyinder spines so no peening was necessary to remove play and to prevent side to side movement of the front sight.
 
How long some of the marketed CMP variations will last is anyone's guess. One poster seeming in the know says based on their current sales they will have some rifle packages for another 3 years. I really don't know.

Ron

Orest isn't just some random poster. He is the CEO of the CMP. He is absolutely in the know.



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I would definitely think so. I have owned 4 Specials. They contained some parts that were worn out or bent... althought they wore a nice refinish job. Now CMP made everything right, promptly, but as was my experience these guns can certainly contain problematic used and refinished parts. Incidentally, the only M1 I own that doesn't have a close op-rod to reciever fit is a Special.

The advantages of the Specials seem to be that you can get a WWII serial number (if that is important to you), and you get the Criterion barrel. The Criterion barrel seems to be pretty good. Mine have been. Additionally the Criterions than I have owned have had a snug fit with the gas clyinder spines so no peening was necessary to remove play and to prevent side to side movement of the front sight.
Are the problems you mentioned a characteristic of the specials or are they just as likely to appear in any other CMP rifle of similar price and grade?
 
Orest isn't just some random poster. He is the CEO of the CMP. He is absolutely in the know.



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I agree that Orest is in the know but sometimes the things that he says are a little off in terms of time frames. I'm beginning to think that he simply enjoys getting the masses worked into a lather over on the CMP forum by making statements and giving bits of info here and there. In other words, I'm not sure that I take everything that he says as the gospel at this point.
 
Right.

Around the 2008 election, CMP figured they had several years of surplus ammunition on hand. It almost sold out by summer of 2009.

Fortunately, some more became available by 2010 that lasted a while.

Events outside of CMP's control can greatly affect inventory.
 
Are the problems you mentioned a characteristic of the specials or are they just as likely to appear in any other CMP rifle of similar price and grade?

The Specials, Service Grades, and Field Grades could have parts like this. The Service Grade Specials (best buy IMO), Corrects, and Collectors should not.

In any grade though, if there is a legitimate problem with something not meeting the description criteria the CMP should take care of it. They took care of me. The only thing that is tricky to address is when the serrations on the reciever ear for sight elevation adjustment are well worn... they may be adequate to hold under firing with a new pinion knob in place, but not once the pinion knob nub wears down a bit.

The thing I personally want to avoid in a purchase is a gun that is functional but that has parts that have already provided a good portion of their service life.
 
I have four M1 Garands, 2 correct grade and 2 special grade (1 an SA, 1 and HRA) which were new collector grade metal in a new CMP stock with new stock metal, as well as adequate HXP M2 ball to shoot.

All have been totally reliable. I would note that, in my business with CMP, that their customer service is simply the best out there...and Orest Michaels, COO, makes sure it's so. My two small problems (a bayonet issue and a gas lock wrench missing, were solved to my complete satisfaction in 48 hours).

You can trust CMP for whatever you need...and their customer service, including pre-purchase phone issues, are handled with complete reliability...every time.

I salute Orest and his team. Buying an M1 Garand from anyone else has more risk than buying from CMP...take that to the bank.

Cheers,

Harry
 
leadcounsel: The only reason to wait might be the desire for a first handgun (single stack 9x18 or .380), in order to take "the class".

My friend who is a marksman (former military team) has a friend who works at a CMP store during certain matches, and can help estimate the possible duration of the present supply in both stores. Those guys can even swap an X component for an SA (H&R etc) component in the 'parts truck' for their personal rifles, until all parts say "H&R" etc.
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I would not want to trust the function of a gun exhibited at a show, unless owned/used by a trusted friend. Never mind the higher price than the CMP.
 
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My son got this rifle (RM1SASSP) for his birthday a year ago August for $950.00 (we split the cost):

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This is one outstanding rifle inside and out. Exceptionally accurate and reliable as well.

Dan
 
Dan
Nice looking Garand you have there
I do have a suggestion. When shooting off a rest move it back farther, dont let it rest on the front handguard.
The reason is the front handguard is open on the bottom and when firing the Op Rod will rub on the rest causing variations in accuracy
Put the rest under the forearm
Good shooting
 
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