easyg
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This is a very good point.
How many extra mags do you carry?
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christcorp
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If you don't trust yourself and your capabilities, then carry extra magazines. If you trust your capabilities and know that you will not pull out the gun unless you are 100% sure you are going to pull the trigger, and you trust yourself to hit what you aim at, then you don't need the extra magazines.
easyg is so correct. Where do you draw the line. You have approximately a 10X greater chance (Probably 100X, but I'm being polite), of breaking down in your car in the middle of no where, than to need to ever pull a gun on someone. Why not carry 2 spare tires in case one doesn't have air? Or a complete set of hoses, plugs, electronic modules, belts, and all other pieces for your car? You have a greater risk of being hit by lightning, hit by a bus, and definitely being in a car accident or being stranded; than you do of ever having to pull out your gun. Yet, you don't take nearly the same position with those scenarios and you might with a gun.
Mind you, I have nothing against guns. I have probably way too many guns. I have been carrying guns for a very long time. I originally grew up in the New Jersey and New York City area, but out here in wyoming, everyone has a gun. Well actually, it's 86% of all households have guns. We use guns for everything. Hunting, varmints, fun, defense, etc... But even when I'm in Denver, Albuquerque, Salt Lake, etc... I don't have any need for more than the magazine that's in the gun.
Too many people have no idea what the "Real" situation may be like. They imagine. They fantasize of being some sort of Rambo or superhero. But they have no idea. Well, I do have an idea. If I have to pull a gun out and point it towards a person, I WILL PULL THE TRIGGER. There is none of this: "Leave me alone or I'll shoot". Bull Shiite!!! The pistol coming out is the very LAST THING I DO!!! Not the first, or second, or what if.... It's the very last. And if/when it comes out, it's being pointed at someone. And if I still see their face, then I WILL pull the trigger. If I see the back of their head and they're running away, I Won't pull the trigger. And at less than 10 yards, I WILL hit my target. YOU might NOT, and therefor might need extra magazines. I know for a fact that I WILL hit my target inside of 30 feet. Sorry, but know exactly what my capabilities are. Just like I know for a fact that if someone surprises me, and I didn't have a chance to reach for a weapon, and they demand my wallet..... Then guess what? I give them my wallet. Generally, I won't be surprised. I know where I grew up. I know what part of the street to walk. I know where not to walk. I know what to say and what not to say. But when all else fails and I am in a situation where I must pull my weapon, it will NOT be to scare someone, or to threaten them into stopping their advancement, etc... If I pull it out, I WILL shoot them. Twice in the chest, and in 0.00001 seconds, if they haven't dropped, a 3rd shot will be fired. That's what I practice every time I'm at the range. That's what I've practiced for more than 30 years. And I have little to no compassion for criminals. None whatsoever. I have no problem shooting at a person if needed. So definitely have all the magazines you want, or need. I don't need any extras.
ttushooter
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I normally just carry 1 in a comp-tac magazine pouch.
why only 4 extra rounds in the strip?
riceboy72
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Mandirigma took the words right out of my mouth. My three most carried pistols are a 1911, a Glock 19, and a S&W 642. When I am carrying the 642, I'll carry two Speed Strips in a cel phone case on my hip.
I also leave a spare mag for the 1911 and 19, along with a speedloader for the 642, in my truck console.
mcdonl
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Same here Joe... living on the edge. 
jackstinson
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347 backup magazines in a little red wagon trailing along behind me.
Because you never know when you might need a reload and ammo doesn't have to be concealed.
Because you never know when you might need a reload and ammo doesn't have to be concealed.
jc650
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My favorite gun to carry is the S&W MP 340. I will carry it a great amount of the time with just the 5 that fit inside. I accept the risk that comes with only havin 5. I know some people like to carry 5 magazines or 3 or 4 guns but I guess Im a gamblin man and dont ever see myself shootin it out with 3 people in the parkin lot of a grocery store.
angel1216
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why only 4 extra rounds in the strip?
nolaemt, i learned it from JT1. it's easier/faster to reload
nolaemt, i learned it from JT1. it's easier/faster to reload
Lv4snobrdg
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one, really little realistic opportunity to ever use it. I'm not living in a Bruce Willis movie, I am certain the only reason there is one is cuz there is a spot for it on my IWB holster.
The same opinionated argument could be applied to BUGs.
Faulty analogy. You run out of gas, you call the wife. You run out of ammo...
Several here have mentioned the "three round" average. Not including GIs and cops, I personally know only one guy involved in an SD shooting. He fired 17 rounds from a Mini-14. The BG jumped out of a window and died on his front lawn. Now, before you launch into the "didn't know how to use it," whine, no one here knows what their performance would be in a similar situation. I've heard it said you're half as good as you best day on the range.
If your playing the odds, why carry a gun at all?
I wonder how many who don't carry extra mags also use the x model is too heavy and uncomfortable to carry excuse.
I carry a spare mag for a spare mag. All mechanical things eventually fail. If Mr. Murphy has his way it happens at an inconvenient time.
Yarddog
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That's nthe truth, Anything (man made) can break 
So that's why I
Carry a extra mag with any auto I CC.
Y/D
So that's why I Carry a extra mag with any auto I CC.
Y/D
Lv4snobrdg
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Eddie makes a good point but doesn't address those that have actually been trained to take fire, return fire and make that fire count.
Also doesn't take into account those that have actually been shot at.
Spray and pray is not the way to go either, thats how innocent people get hurt.
Also doesn't take into account those that have actually been shot at.
Spray and pray is not the way to go either, thats how innocent people get hurt.
I'm certain there are many here who have more training, but I have (according to my LE friends) more training than the average cop receives (I had to pay for most of mine). All the training I've ever received included reloading drills.
As I mentioned, I carry a spare mag more for the mag than the ammo.
Also, I've yet to see anyone outline the perils of having an extra mag.
jc650
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Im not sure its a question of there being peril in carrying an extra magazine. Some people, myself included feel comfortable with the decision to carry just whats in the gun. Others dont. Thats the great thing about being able to decide on your own and not have to do what an internet forum tells you to do. Arguments can and have been made for days on whos right and whos wrong. There is no right or wrong answer.
Playing the odds is what you do everyday you get out of bed. If I thought that I needed to carry 3 guns with multiple reloads everywhere I went I can honestly say I woldnt go anywhere! To me thats not reasonable and Im not going to do that.
Do I care or try to persuade someone that does? No, thats their decision.
Playing the odds is what you do everyday you get out of bed. If I thought that I needed to carry 3 guns with multiple reloads everywhere I went I can honestly say I woldnt go anywhere! To me thats not reasonable and Im not going to do that.
Do I care or try to persuade someone that does? No, thats their decision.
christcorp
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I have always agreed that carry an extra magazine for the mechanical failure scenario is a totally legitimate argument. I personally don't, but that is definitely a good reason to have one. And sorry, but say what you want, a person who has to shoot 17 rounds from a mini-14 probably has no business shooting a gun. Good thing he didn't have a weapon with a 90 round drum magazine on it. Who knows what he would have done. People like that probably need a revolver. This way in their mind, they know that they ONLY HAVE 6 rounds, so they better make them count. 17 rounds???? That's reckless. Granted, I wasn't there, but I'm positive that it didn't take 17 rounds for the bad guy to not be a "THREAT" any longer. Not unless he missed with the first 15. In which case, he has no business with a gun in his hands.
No one here, because we weren't there.
You know, we can all sit comfortably behind our keyboards and talk about how well trained, accurate and general bada$$ we are, but until faced with a situation we really don't know how we'll perform. Some would no doubt perform well, others not so well....and I'm sure everyone counts themselves in the first group.
Most will revert to their training. Hopefully, it was good 'nuff.
christcorp
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I agree with you 100% eddie. But the problem is; there are going to be people out there that hear anecdotal accounts like what you just gave, and because they are ignorant, are going to use that story as a basis why they "Need" to have 2-3 extra magazines in their pocket every time they walk out the door. It is obvious that your friend panicked. If you don't have your target in your sights, then you don't need to be pulling the trigger. You aren't trying to shoot through a refrigerator or through a dresser. In defensive purposes, you don't get into "Gun Fights". That's hollywood and not real life. You're not going into a gang fight or doing a drug bust. The mini-14 is perfectly fine weapon for home defense. I myself have a .223 that doubles as a home defense weapon. I keep a 10 round magazine in it because that's what it came with. I can honestly say that there are a lot of accounts where people pull out a gun either for home defense or personal defense out in public, and they have absolutely no idea what they are doing. 95% of your "Weapon Arsenal" for defensive purposes is the gray matter between your ears. It's not the gun. Matter of fact, not one gun has ever saved a person's life. Just like no gun has ever killed a person. It's the person behind the trigger. Your friend got lucky. He's lucky that the other 10+ rounds didn't find themselves to an innocent bystander. He's lucky that he's alive. You say that most will revert to their training. I agree 100%. Obviously your friend didn't have adequate training.
I agree with everything you've said.
A little more to the story. He had a root canal that morning and had taken whatever the doc gave him for pain. It was around 0300 when the BG broke into his house and his wife woke him. He and the BG struggled and he was shot with his own gun. The BG grabbed his handgun and ran down the hall towards his daughter's room. Fortunately, he wasn't seriously injured and grabbed the mini, eventually ending the fight.
He later said he did not want to shoot the guy and that hesitation gave the BG the upper hand. He was very lucky and had very little training.
My point is, we can all say, I'll Mozambique the guy," but truth is, until faced with the situation we don't know for certain what we'll do or how we'll perform. Rarely do events unfold so one can carefully draw and aim, placing a shot COM just as if it were a target. I think anyone who has heard a round pass will agree, things are different when someone is shooting back.
And again, if someone leaves the house with an extra mag, where's the peril?
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