how many of you actually have just a pistol grip(no stock)

[Inebriated]

Ranger or not, the downsides to a PGO shotgun are real and doing comparative drills with a PGO shotgun and one with a stock will show them. Pushups won't help your reload manipulation or target transition speed with a PGO.

Doing the same ones with an AR or AK will show just how much easier it is to make a carbine do the same job as even the best shotgun...

Love shotguns, PGO's are a lot of fun, but no shotgun is at the top of my list for defensive use anymore... Good on a budget, tough.

 

[hq]

SPAS12. Pistol grip only. It used to have a folding skeleton stock, but all it did was get in the way. It takes some getting used to to be proficient at shooting at the hip, but at HD distances that hardly matters.

 

[vikinggirl]

I was given a pistol grip Mossberg 500 for home self defense only, and I think I used to shoot it once a year at the range to make sure it was still functioning. It was hell on my hands and my entire arm used to ache after just a few rounds. The idea was that if you had to maneuver around furniture or doorways that all you had to hit was center mass if someone was menacing you. It used to get a lot of attention at the range, and folks always asked about it.
Luckily the Ex took it with him when he left, and I now I have three shotguns, all with shoulder stocks, which I greatly prefer.

 

[mac66]

The birdshead type PG from Shockwave is a much more comfortable to shoot PG. I have one on a short bbl shotgun and it is fun to shoot occasionally. It is more or less a range toy however.

In terms of self defense the most important thing is to have a gun, any gun. Most people don't want to get shot and most of the time the mere presence of a gun deescalates the situation. From that standpoint the PG shotgun serves that purpose. They are rather handy and intimidating. In .410 and 20 ga they are not all that bad to shoot.

Back in the day "whippet guns" or "auto burglar guns" were often short bbl shotguns with pistol grips or chopped stocks. Usually they were 20, 28 ga or .410s.

 

[Armor Snail]

An eight round 410 doesn't look bad for a pgo. They seem to be the only one practical imo

 

[Sam1911]

An eight round 410 doesn't look bad for a pgo. They seem to be the only one practical imo

Just because it has fewer pellets and less effect on target won't make you any quicker on target and/or more accurate.

 

[kBob]

Darn MAC66, I just wrote an Ithica Auto Burglar into detective story that will likely never even be submitted a much less marketed and there you go mentioning it. To the best of my knowledge the Auto Burglar was 20 gauge only. I still bet you felt it when you set it off because it had sort of a saw handle.

Back before NFA either Winchester or Remington made a purpose built single shot in .410.

The term Whippet supposedly came from the Chicago PD that issued cut down PG only (well they just cut off and whittled down the small of the stock to sort of PG) pumps to some special details for concealed carry to prevent frightening the public. Supposedly the name came because you were supposed to "Whip it out" when needed. This was around the time the FBI got armed as a result of a prisoner handling event which I believe was in fact in Chicken in the car and the car won't go town.

-kBob

 

[Fiv3r]

When I bought my first shotgun, an 870 Express with synthetic stock, the first thing I did was slap a pistol grip on it. I figured that it would make it super handy as it was my only firearm. Then I took it to the range and realized that I couldn't hit much with it and my elbow sure did smart something fierce. I quickly put the full stock back on it and slid on a shell holder.

Flash forward a few years, and I now prefer not only a full stock on my pump guns but I actually like the ammo capacity of the 20" models. It gives me a hand sized gun with plenty of firepower. I don't really need something short that will beat me to death if I have to shoot it.