How old do guns need to be to be considered OLD?

Kinda wild to think that in 4 years, a person can have a Glock that's in that category.

Or that the earliest AR15/SP-1 rifles are already C&R. I poo-poo'ed the AR/M16 for a lot of years (still do) but, hard to argue with that kind o success. I could say the same thing about Glock. I hate'em, but I think I'm the only person I know who doesn't own one.
 
D.B. Cooper: A buddy who lived here a while usually brought his Glock 9mm to the private club.

Even if it somehow had been a DA/SA (my type of handgun) , different basic features never appealed to me. "But...Lugers' grips....also... " they say.
The same buddy's '43 Luger has lots of "grip sweep", but somehow it was truly fun to shoot. And had more Metal and a good trigger iirc. The gun had been Beautifully reblued by the only guy in the US who knows how to do the Germans' WW2 process.

ARs didn't have much appeal, unless it has a 20" barrel to improve the typical modern (16") sight distance, and has a trigger better than in stock ARs.

It is strange being in a very small minority, but my guns make up for this unfashionable existence in murky obscurity.
 
Even if it somehow had been a DA/SA (my type of handgun) , different basic features never appealed to me.

LOL. I showed up to Gunsite with a 92FS. The instructor, who was in his mid 60s, went to lengths to lecture "the class" (meaning me) on why absolutely no one should be shooting anything other than a Glock. (Now, to be fair, he made some good arguments, but I still have my 92FS.) I much prefer that DA/SA in an auto loader over striker and SAO pistols.

ARs didn't have much appeal, unless it has a 20" barrel to improve the typical modern (16") sight distance...

Agreed. I get why people would trade off to get that shorter package, but it seems to me not a good trade-off. I carried an A2 all through my time, and, once, had to qualify with an A1.
 
I was reminded this week that my youngest firearm is a modern version of an 1892 design, and the fancy "modern" pistol (made on those new CNC machines with computers!) I used as my CCW for the first decade I could carry is now over 20 years old.

Cars are supposed to become antiques after 20 years, right? What about guns?

Generally, I think about old guns as beautiful relics of craftsmanship long gone. Glock's first wonder-nines are approaching 40 year old, and I just can't look at them like that.

I'm in the "it depends" camp when looking at what makes a gun old. Keep in mind, this is separate from the current, legal definition of an "antique" firearm here in the U.S., which is anything pre-1899.

First off, I will always fight the concept that all old guns, or old guns in general, are "beautiful relics of craftsmanship long gone." Due to circumstances of what I consider a previous life now, I've had a pile of old guns pass through my hands. We definitely suffer from survivorship bias in evaluating the quality of old Curio and Relic firearms. For every nice Winchester, Colt, Belgian-Browning or Smith and Wesson Registered Magnum, there were hundreds of Iver Johnsons, Montgomery Wards, Stevens and dozens of other inexpensive or downright cheaply made brands which escape me at the moment. As much as we bemoan the current perceived cheapening of manufacturing process, most of the old utility shotguns, cheap .22 rifles and break-open revolvers were also made with what was then the latest cost-saving measures. Stamped parts, soft steels in springs and small parts, not-metal pieces like trigger guards and butt plates; all of the short-cuts are there for those who know what they're looking at.

Secondly, a gun has to be OLD to be old. My recent production Colt 1911 is a new gun, even if Colt has been making them continuously since 1911. It has modern steels, is made on modern equipment to modern blueprints. That's a new gun. The Colt 1903 in my avatar, and my Savage 1907 .32 Automatic, are OLD guns. The Savage was made in 1911; the Colt in 1928. But a US Armaments "Colt 1903" isn't an old gun and has a long time to wait to be an old gun.

Now it gets weird with certain other models and manufacture dates. I have a Smith and Wesson Combat Masterpiece that by almost any definition is an "old" gun, being made in 1954-ish. I don't consider it to be particularly old, as it was made well after WWII and effectively with modern metallurgy. My grandfather's old Ruger 77 hunting rifle, which is mine now, is 50 years old, so certainly a C&R and old at this point in time. But I don't look at it and consider it anything but a modern firearm. Yet if I still had something like my dad's old Colt SP-1 Sporter rifle, it would be getting far enough along to start heading for old gun status.
 
I would say when they quit making that model , or it is older than me .
 
I only really think about it when the age of the gun might be a factor as far as the metallurgy, heat-treating and general production/QC of the day. To the point where safety is a consideration.

I have a Model 10-5 from the mid '70s that I feel I can shoot .38+P with. I have an older K-frame M&P from the early '50s that I feel I probably should not. That kind of thing.


Past that, I don't think about it much. Generally speaking I don't think I would turn to anything much older than the 1940's for regular usage right now. At least as far as revolvers and rifles are concerned. YMMV.
 
Generally speaking I don't think I would turn to anything much older than the 1940's for regular usage right now.
I'm the same way. As much as I like to admire the craftsmanship of old it's a real pain having to care for older guns. You've got to worry about not banging them up, you've got to use safe loads in them due to old metallurgy, parts can be hard to find and may need to be hand fitted to work correctly. I don't want the responsibility of ensuring that a firearm makes it to the next generation in fine shape and working order.
 
1. Still in production?
2. Major manufacturing change? ie. Pre-64 Winchester.
3. Of significant historical value.


Year of manufacture is not significant as actual manufacture.
Pre-Hitlery hole Smith
Pre-hammer block safety Marlin
Pre micro-groove rifling
3 screw Ruger

25 years old would be a start, but a 40 yo Glock has little signicance vs a 4 yo Glock.


Mostly just opinion, nothing set in stone, but everybody has their own.
 
I think the comparison between old cars and guns is spurious. Cars start deteriorating right out of the showroom. Salt, dirt, sand, etc. gets in hidden places and starts the rust process immediately. Engines often have a finite life built into them, and unless a real garage queen, cars get used each and every year, often daily, that contributes to their demise. They're generally considered a disposable item.

Guns are often used infrequently, unless the owner is a competition shooter, once a week would be a lot. They're usually taken care of, a little oil or other preservative applied. Corrosive powder and primers are long gone, unless the current owner is shooting old military ammo, and they know the drill on how to properly clean them. Guns can literally last for generations if proper care is given and used by the average person. Most just sit in a drawer or safe, waiting patiently to be used.

I would draw the line at the 30's as the era modern guns began. Into the 20's they were still producing some older black powder cartridge guns designed in the late 1800's.
 
Now you're talking about collectability vs age. An old Glock is just that-an old Glock. An old Colt, on the hand, is a piece of American history.
No, I'm not, I'm talking about context notice how you still refer to an old Glock as an "OLD" Glock. A Gen 1 or Gen 2 would be an old Glock, because Glocks are basically all the same.
When you start talking Colt you need more context because they're not.
My old Python is actually younger than my 3rd gen SAA which is the newest version and an old SAA would be a first or second gen and both are newer than my AR15 so??? Collectability and Age aren't necessarily at opposite ends either my 4th gen DSII is far more collectable than an older first gen dick special.
 
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1. Still in production?
2. Major manufacturing change? ie. Pre-64 Winchester.
3. Of significant historical value.


Year of manufacture is not significant as actual manufacture.
I agree that "...it isn't made anymore..." is a valid criteria. Seedy mentioned the 'Pre-64 Winchester' and a couple others. I see the same with Smith & Wesson pinned barrel revolvers.

Also, there is a distinction between 'old gun' (or car, or motorcycle or concept) and 'old design'. The Colt Government model, for instance.
 
My dad once had a 32-20 revolver. He had a box of ammo marked "for rifles only." But today, if you buy "modern" (as in, recently produced) 32-20 ammo, it's "safe for all rifles and pistols," meaning it has been downloaded from previous decades' standards.

Not exactly.
The .32-20 originated with black powder and was loaded "nitro for black" as soon as reproducible smokeless was available.
The ammo called "for rifles only" was not loaded until after the stronger Winchester 1892 came out. So it is not just "rifles only" it is 1892 only and is too stout for the 1873 as well as revolvers. There was one brand cataloged as "high velocity 1892."
I have seen differing opinions as to the suitability of the original Marlin 1894 for HV ammo, some say yes, some say no.

So fresh .32-20 is not downloaded, it is just at the long time standard pressure-velocity level.

It is commonly thought that all the HV loads were light weight jacketed hollowpoints, then called "mushroom" bullets, but my 1939 catalog shows a wide variety. If an 80 gr mushroom at 2000 fps is too hot for a revolver, does that mean a 115 gr bullet at 1650 is OK? I don't think so.

It is largely academic these days, the last listing I saw for .32-20 HV was in a 1960 Gun Digest.
There were also high velocity .38-40 and .44-40 but they dropped out of production even sooner.

Makes me wonder if the frequent warning "Don't shoot "rifle only" .32-20 in your Military and Police .32 WCF." is not just padding to run up the gunzine writer's word count.
 
can I pose the question another way? if you buy a new firearm today, how many years does it take to consider it old? I'll take a crack a defining old - at point or metric that determines to the owner, that is should be serviced, or replaced for a new one. Springs get old and little parts wear out with use. Is there a general industry age where you just have a gunsith go over it and replace springs and such? it is kind of surprising they don't have a detailed service schedule like one gets with an auto. maybe they do and I'm just not aware of anything like that.
 
can I pose the question another way? if you buy a new firearm today, how many years does it take to consider it old?
There's a problem with no context in your question.
If you buy your first new 9mm today at noon and then buy a second one at 2pm then it only took 2 hours for the first one to become your old 9mmo_O
 
I bought a Springfield Armory XD-E a couple years ago. They stopped making them last year. Is my XD-E and old gun?
Sort of. Is it somewhat collectable?
I hasten to add there are 'coveted' old guns and 'meh' old guns. Being 'old' to me is not a singularly appealing condition. An 'old' Gyro-Jet does not interest me - financial gain might, but that's a different story.
 
can I pose the question another way? if you buy a new firearm today, how many years does it take to consider it old? I'll take a crack a defining old - at point or metric that determines to the owner, that is should be serviced, or replaced for a new one. Springs get old and little parts wear out with use. Is there a general industry age where you just have a gunsith go over it and replace springs and such? it is kind of surprising they don't have a detailed service schedule like one gets with an auto. maybe they do and I'm just not aware of anything like that.
It isn't about "age", it is about amount of use. A NIB gun from 80 years ago is still a "new" gun.
 
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