How Practical is a Single-Action for CCW?

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I would not feel the least bit undergunned with a S/A in .357, .44, or .45-

However, a question comes to mind- how many times has a citizen, carrying for personal protection, actually needed more than 6 shots in a given situation? I would be curious to hear about factual situations
 
Well, I don't know everything about EVERYTHING (that would be Mrs. Ghost Tracker), but I DO know that it's very unlikely for a SA revolver to feed-jam, stove-pipe, fail-to-eject or have a mag issue. Yes, there ARE ways for a SA to fail, but they are a statistically odd occurance. For speed into the fight & the first 5 (6) shots...with practice, they're as fast as anything available. I have no issue with anyone who decides an SA is their best choice.
 
Single-actions can be just as deadly as double-actions, but there are so many problems associated with them that I higly recommend against using single-actions.

For home use, okay. No arguments.

For street use, if you shoot someone, it means you had to cock the hammer, and if you cocked the hammer, it's possible that you shot the person accidentally, under stress. So the incident can be open to a negligent shooting lawsuit. If it's in your home, it's too bad for the bad guy. He wasn't invited into your residence; however, if you're carrying the gun, then it's reasonable to suppose that you were expecting trouble. And in the stress of the moment, your actions can be challenged.

Massad Ayoob has written a lot on this, and he's caused a lot of people to do things like bobbing the hammers on perfectly fine double-action guns, which I feel is a mistake, especially for a gun in your dresser drawer. But for a CCW, it is a bit different.

Most people who are victimized in court are victimized for something they did or said. But again, if you have a target gun with a hair trigger in your home and an intruder enters that home, you're legally able to use any weapon at your disposal to stop him, whether it's a kitchen knife, a poker or a spade. And if you have a target pistol or single action, then so much the worse for the intruder.

So leave the single-action at home and get a good double-action revolver or auto for carrying.
 
I carry a NewVaq 357 in a fanny pack .


A fanny pack (!?)
Say it ain't so, Jim!

(As fer meself, it it aint the G-26 in a Sidearmor, or the M-36 in the pocket,
it'll be the NewVaq 45 colt neked, Meskin style.)
 
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A single action can be used for self-defense. So can a sword, ax, or rock. But who would choose to face a couple of big, bad armed attackers with those weapons?

One secret to successful self-defense is not boxing yourself into choices that aren't optimum.
 
Say it ain't so, Jim!

Oh it gets worse.

Because I have to hang out with Democrats so dang much, I decorated it with peace signs from a local head shop. Camo for Liberal eyes :D.

For those very few who guess what's up, I explain that it's truth in advertizing - it's where I keep my "piece". Which is in fact a "peacemaker" (clone).

I'm bad :).
 
Remember that the off-duty cop in Salt Lake who stopped the Trolley Square shooting was carrying a 1911, and he locked open, with no reload. You never know what bad things OR HOW MANY bad things can happen. Yes, any gun is better than no gun, but to limit your capabilities because you think you are among the more fortunate assualt targets is a bit disingenuous.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with carrying an SAA if that's what you shoot best. However, since you said you don't have one, you're sorta starting from scratch. That being the case, I think there's better options. I'd think about a 686, M25, or GP100.
Just my $.02
 
Carry a SA if it is what you shoot best and are most familiar with. If starting from scratch, other choices are superior for reasons already well covered by others.

RE: accidentally shooting 'cause you have cocked the hammer. When I was wee tad teething on an SA my old pappy told me that you don't cock the hammer until you are ready to shoot. Analogous to keeping the finger outta the trigger guard until ready to shoot with a more modern action. (One of our wise members did a nice post on how SA's are about "hammer control" during a thread on keeping fingers outside trigger guards. If one is going to carry a SA it is worth searching for as it is about the best short exegesis on that topic I have seen.)
 
If it was good enough for Jesse James, John Wesley Hardin, Pat Garrett, Theodore Roosevelt, Virgil Earp, Billy the Kid...

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At least you can reload a little faster, and it does have a certain pedigree. :evil:

That's the Uberti reproduction, by the way.
 
"How Practical is a Single-Action for CCW?"

Not very, compared to the alternatives, to the extent that if you're not CCWing something serving powerful, big bore duty in dangerous game country it raises eyebrows. Of course, I have found single action revo carriers not too concerned about the eyebrows they raise...
 
In my opinion, there are a few advantages a single action has over a double action.
They are as follows
A- you want something really big, unfortunately they tend to be heavy and difficult to conceal. The intimidation factor is nice, but really, don't pull it if you aren't ready to use it. And follow up shots are not going to be timely (get ready to be called "dirty harry" in court if you ever need to use it)
B- you want something really small I mentioned one in post no. 5 of this thread. It's effective at super short range and is better than nothing. But I will never be able to qualify with it enough to complete my state's mandated ccw permit course. (get ready to be called an assassin in court if you ever need to use it)
C- It's all you have. In which case, do yourself a favor and save your pennies and get something better. Most double actions can be cocked, like a sa, providing better accuracy in a moment of calm clarity. Fortunately they can also be shot quickly in the more likely moment of paralyzing terror (Keep It Simple Silly)
And finally,
D- nostalgia. In which case you're a hopeless romantic, and I would have to recommend you choose a brace of flintlocks from the revolutionary period:evil:
 
Not.
Thumbing back the hammer on a single action revolver is notably slower for most of us than shooting a first shot DA.
Sure, go ahead and trot out the arguments that "the fastest shooters in the world set their records in single action shooting".
If you can shoot faster and more accurately in SA mode, more power to ya. Otherwise, shut up. :)
 
Amen, SundownRider.

I would have no problem carrying a SA, and do at times. Few sidearms are safer or more likely to go bang when you pull the trigger.
Wasn't it Jeff Cooper who said "If you can't solve the problem with six shots you probably can't solve the problem". Or something like that.
 
And another thing,
If you have carried a single action for more than about five minutes, you will be able to have it cocked and ready by the time you are on target, no slower than a DA or auto. Granted the second shot won't be as quick, but hey, an accurate first shot is tough to beat. Pretty much any SA you choose will be better than what Earp, James, or Hardin carried, and they were looking for trouble.
 
However, a question comes to mind- how many times has a citizen, carrying for personal protection, actually needed more than 6 shots in a given situation? I would be curious to hear about factual situations

Roger A. Waters's The Best Defense has a writeup of an incident where an elderly gentleman engaged in a running gun battle with 3 would-be cop killers in which he fired over 40 shots from his 9mm. So yes, it can happen; its not the likeliest event, but if we were all concerned with what was most likely then no one would be carrying at all.
 
"... but if we were all concerned with what was most likely then no one would be carrying at all."

Now that is a profound thought. It's really all a matter of compromise, conjecture, and comfort. Frankly, I carry mostly as a matter of political conviction, that each of us is ultimately responsible for his/her own safety and that government is a creation of and subservient to the people. But also to be reasonably prepared in event the world collapses into chaos.

But to address the original question of "How Practical is a Single-Action for CCW?" I think the SA is safe (wont fire unless cocked), reliable, fast on target, and effective. Only drawback is no-one has invented a speed loader yet.
 
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I think the SA is safe (wont fire unless cocked), reliable, fast on target, and effective. Only drawback is no-one has invented a speed loader yet.
They also tend to be bulky, heavy and hard to conceal. I'd a heck of a lot rather carry my M1911 than my Colt Single Action.
 
Here's a quote from Paco Kelly's article on leverguns.com

Read the whole article, I think you'll really enjoy it

http://leverguns.com/articles/paco/special_handguns.htm

"For years my main load in the Colt look-a-likes for the" 45, was 18+ grains of Herc 2400 under the Keith 260 grain cast bullet. I took wild boar, feral pigs, black bear, deer, feral dogs, and much, much more, with that load. I ran into the darndest situation in Richmond Virginia while packing that first 45 Colt clone in the early 1970s. Three idiots decided to hold up the bank I was in one day. Three shots from my 45 single action later, hold up was over, surrender was at the top of their list...and I had killed their car. Thinking back I never felt under gunned...and I never worried about reloading speed and all that stuff you read about. I knew the power of that load, and my ability and accuracy."


Paul
 
A SA revolver is a viable choice for CCL. It is analogous to driving a 34 Ford.

It will get the job done and do so with a certain amount of style and panache. Easier to work on than a modern vehicle. More basic.

As a method of transportation there are more practical modes thereof but it still works.

Personally I would keep my 34 Ford and my SA revolver for weekend use. I carry a more modern weapon and drive a vehicle with AC, disk brakes and modern handling/crash protection.
 
Until I got one, I would have said no way man! But, now that I have two I say heck yeah! Since most SD shoots are 1~3 shots, you have a few extra, and if the three you shoot are .45 colt, that can go a long way in at least scareing the bad gus who thought you were an easy mark away. On mine, that .45 hole in the end of the barrel must look very very scary. I would not, if I were a bad guy go any firther if someone pulled a SIXGUN in .45 Colt!
 
100% impractical. in every way imaginable.

But if you want to, go for it John Wayne

Yeah, there really isn't a way that any functioning firearm is 100% impractical. In fact, I bet there are untold numbers of dead men who would disagree with you...

Also, there are plenty of ballsy-types who hunt BEAR with SA revolvers. If they're good enough to take a bear, they're good enough for a BG!
 
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