Trigger locks are of the devil. Whenever I buy a gun, the first thing I do, sometimes at the gun store, is I throw a frozen rope touchdown pass to the trash can with the lock and/or keys to the internal lock. I don't believe there is any excuse for owning any trigger lock. If you can't trust your kids around a gun without a trigger lock, then you can't trust them around one WITH a trigger lock. What is the point of keeping a gun around if it has a lock on it? Stupid wal mart and Big 5 have these ultra cheap plastic EXCUSES for locks which still allow the trigger to be pulled. A year ago I bought a nagant from Big 5 and this plastic lock slopped around so bad I could have loaded and fired right there.
How to break into a trigger lock
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LGswift
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Had a farmer over who had lost his keys to a couple of guns, only realised it when he got to the range which happened to be the backyard of my buddy's house.
I personally cut two along this line first with a hacksaw and the second with a cut off wheel. You will be left with a couple of paper weights or a conversation starter. Cheers
I personally cut two along this line first with a hacksaw and the second with a cut off wheel. You will be left with a couple of paper weights or a conversation starter. Cheers
Boba Fett
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+1 for lockpicking.
Everyone should spend $30-50 and get a good small lockpick kit.
This is about all you need. You can pick most locks with that kit and if you need some sort of more specific tool later on, you can add it to your collection. Or you can go all out and spend $400 and get a huge 150 piece collection of which you will probably only use 5-10 picks 90% of the time.
Everyone should spend $30-50 and get a good small lockpick kit.
This is about all you need. You can pick most locks with that kit and if you need some sort of more specific tool later on, you can add it to your collection. Or you can go all out and spend $400 and get a huge 150 piece collection of which you will probably only use 5-10 picks 90% of the time.
The Bushmaster
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Drill it...And never put one on again!!!
U.S.SFC_RET
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Chances are if you drill through the keyway in the lock you will just break the drill bit in half as soon as the bit catches.
Use two very stiff paper clips, one as the tensioner and one to place the tumblers into the channel. it will take several tries to get it right but once you do it you will be surprised. It will more than likely open up. patience is the KEY.
Try raking the tumblers first with slight tension. Then go for the ones that didn't set.
Picking that kind of lock is easy enough so you won't have to drill.
U.S.SFC_RET
Use two very stiff paper clips, one as the tensioner and one to place the tumblers into the channel. it will take several tries to get it right but once you do it you will be surprised. It will more than likely open up. patience is the KEY.
Try raking the tumblers first with slight tension. Then go for the ones that didn't set.
Picking that kind of lock is easy enough so you won't have to drill.
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mbsaisparadice
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Informational/Educational purpose only:
Not only can you drill out a standard keyed masterlock-style trigger lock, but i just lost my "key" to this, http://www.dactec.com/store/detail76d2.html?cart=11939422431395&sku=MTL_099&itemCategory=firearm , lock, and i took a cobalt drill bit to the back, and as soon as the drill was all the way up to speed it shot through, to be honest it scared the sh*t out of me, these locks claim to be the "strongest locking steel bolt and key" available, and in under 5 seconds you can unscrew the "locking mechanism", if you really want to call it a lock, from the back with a right sized bit. It's literally a bolt that screws into the back part of the trigger lock, using a cylinder shaped "key" with a notch in it.. very secure..
Not only can you drill out a standard keyed masterlock-style trigger lock, but i just lost my "key" to this, http://www.dactec.com/store/detail76d2.html?cart=11939422431395&sku=MTL_099&itemCategory=firearm , lock, and i took a cobalt drill bit to the back, and as soon as the drill was all the way up to speed it shot through, to be honest it scared the sh*t out of me, these locks claim to be the "strongest locking steel bolt and key" available, and in under 5 seconds you can unscrew the "locking mechanism", if you really want to call it a lock, from the back with a right sized bit. It's literally a bolt that screws into the back part of the trigger lock, using a cylinder shaped "key" with a notch in it.. very secure..
a1abdj
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Check your local & state laws.
In many places, it is illegal to possess lock picking tools unless you are a licensed professional (locksmith, repo agent, car dealer, etc.).
Carlos Cabeza
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OMG !!!!!!
It is ILLEGAL to possess a lock pick set in some states ???!?!!?!?
*** !
Jeezzzzussssss H. Christ, what is this world coming to?
Annie, get your gun !
It is ILLEGAL to possess a lock pick set in some states ???!?!!?!?
*** !
Jeezzzzussssss H. Christ, what is this world coming to?
Annie, get your gun !
mgregg85
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I've had to drill one before, its not hard.
I'd double check your laws that the requirement even exists. Few if any officers get search warrants to your home just to look for picks - they have lots more important things to nail you for.
Drilling most locks is dirt simple. Get a strong light and look into the keyway. The side with the pins is where you need to drill. Most gunlock cylinders are brass because diecast is too imprecise and steel way too expensive to machine. You don't need a big bit - about the same size as the pins. Clamp every thing down as well as you can and keep the speed down to where you get long curls of metal. Using a VSR hand drill works just fine. Let the drill bit do the work, don't force it.
Once drilled the depth of a key, the pins rattle loose down from the cylinder parting line. It may take another pass to get them clear, or the springs. Then gently turn the cylinder open with a small screwdriver. You're done.
Yes, you could pick the cylinder, but it does take a lot of practice. Drilling is about 5 mins work with a low chance of damage. I've got one lock I bought without a key and never have got it open. I may drill it just out of frustration.
Locks that use keys with slots, not slopes, are simple warded keyways that respond to a small hex key ground down to fit. Usually one of the warded paths connects to the retracting lever and it pops open. Not a high quality lock.
Keys are like credit cards, secure them where you can find them when you need them.
Drilling most locks is dirt simple. Get a strong light and look into the keyway. The side with the pins is where you need to drill. Most gunlock cylinders are brass because diecast is too imprecise and steel way too expensive to machine. You don't need a big bit - about the same size as the pins. Clamp every thing down as well as you can and keep the speed down to where you get long curls of metal. Using a VSR hand drill works just fine. Let the drill bit do the work, don't force it.
Once drilled the depth of a key, the pins rattle loose down from the cylinder parting line. It may take another pass to get them clear, or the springs. Then gently turn the cylinder open with a small screwdriver. You're done.
Yes, you could pick the cylinder, but it does take a lot of practice. Drilling is about 5 mins work with a low chance of damage. I've got one lock I bought without a key and never have got it open. I may drill it just out of frustration.
Locks that use keys with slots, not slopes, are simple warded keyways that respond to a small hex key ground down to fit. Usually one of the warded paths connects to the retracting lever and it pops open. Not a high quality lock.
Keys are like credit cards, secure them where you can find them when you need them.
i'd call remington 1st... if they can't help me( or won't) then its off to a lock smith. It would be very easy to drill, and I'm sure I could pick it.
Drilling is risk as those things are known to slide on guns damaging the finish, and its not worth, my time to pick it.
Drilling is risk as those things are known to slide on guns damaging the finish, and its not worth, my time to pick it.
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If you have a Dremel, try approaching it with a cutoff wheel, being darn careful you don't slip! Some duct tape (several layers) and/or a towel or something might help to protect the gun should the cutoff wheel break.
See if you can carefully grind around the perimeter of the cylinder until it drops out. Make sure you don't let it get too hot! A vacuum cleaner should get the filings as you are grinding.
Make sure you watch that vacuum in case any sparks are in there! You don't need a lock removed, only to have your house burn down!
See if you can carefully grind around the perimeter of the cylinder until it drops out. Make sure you don't let it get too hot! A vacuum cleaner should get the filings as you are grinding.
Make sure you watch that vacuum in case any sparks are in there! You don't need a lock removed, only to have your house burn down!
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Claude Clay
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give it to a 12 year old
most homes have a box of odd keys--find one that fits in and jiggle it about.
...........3min 30 seconds
paperclips
.......6minutes; most spent bending and trimming.
most homes have a box of odd keys--find one that fits in and jiggle it about.
...........3min 30 seconds
paperclips
.......6minutes; most spent bending and trimming.
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BADUNAME37
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Now that's the best idea I've heard all YEAR!
Funny!
deaconkharma
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heck make your own lock picks
mini hacksaw blades, dremel, and voila! made my own and they work awesome. search youtube for make your own lockpicks. they really do work well.you'll gain a skill out of this accidental issue you've run across. Lemonade out of lemons so to speak. really, it's super easy. that way no hassles about are you sure this is your gun from a locksmith... no questions about why do you want a lockpick set and are you a locksmith.. but anyway my own opinion. not worth much more than that. But I always try and learn new things and this is a great opportunity
mini hacksaw blades, dremel, and voila! made my own and they work awesome. search youtube for make your own lockpicks. they really do work well.you'll gain a skill out of this accidental issue you've run across. Lemonade out of lemons so to speak. really, it's super easy. that way no hassles about are you sure this is your gun from a locksmith... no questions about why do you want a lockpick set and are you a locksmith.. but anyway my own opinion. not worth much more than that. But I always try and learn new things and this is a great opportunity
Just came across this article earlier today...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/the-lockdown-gun-locks-unsafe-at-any-caliber/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/the-lockdown-gun-locks-unsafe-at-any-caliber/
deaconkharma
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wow looks like we have a winner above!
Man that kid made it look EASY!
Man that kid made it look EASY!
Take a brass screw of the right size with a pan head and screw/jam it in the keyway. Grab the screw head with a claw hammer and lever the cylinder out of the lock. Be careful not to mar your gun - usually a piece of soft wood between the hammer and the gun works fine.
I've used this method several times on cheap padlocks and the locks on filing cabinets (don't ask!!). Some locks have plates riveted over the cylinder to prevent this type of thing. The heads of the rivets can be easily cut off with a grinder.
I've used this method several times on cheap padlocks and the locks on filing cabinets (don't ask!!). Some locks have plates riveted over the cylinder to prevent this type of thing. The heads of the rivets can be easily cut off with a grinder.
Just FWIW, there is a myth that thieves and bad guys pick locks or somehow defeat locking mechanisms. Nope.
Bad guys who steal guns don't bother lockpicking the trigger lock, they just saw through the trigger guard. Much easier.
Same with "The Club" steering wheel lock on cars; Don't fool with the lock, just use a bolt cutter on the steering wheel itself.
And a door lock is a waste of time on a hollow door or one surrounded by drywall. Pick the lock, hell, kick the wall in!
Jim
Bad guys who steal guns don't bother lockpicking the trigger lock, they just saw through the trigger guard. Much easier.
Same with "The Club" steering wheel lock on cars; Don't fool with the lock, just use a bolt cutter on the steering wheel itself.
And a door lock is a waste of time on a hollow door or one surrounded by drywall. Pick the lock, hell, kick the wall in!
Jim
Easier than it should be.
I had a similar situation. I had a KHI trigger lock on a Beretta AST-390 I gave my son. We put in a safe for a few years, lost the key, and the gun was rendered useless to us for about a year. I recently called the Oaktree Gun Club where I shoot and Randy at the proshop said, "Get two wrenches and torque it in different directions." It took 10 seconds; no 5 seconds! I wrapped the gun in a big towel to protect it from any accidental scratches. Done!
I had a similar situation. I had a KHI trigger lock on a Beretta AST-390 I gave my son. We put in a safe for a few years, lost the key, and the gun was rendered useless to us for about a year. I recently called the Oaktree Gun Club where I shoot and Randy at the proshop said, "Get two wrenches and torque it in different directions." It took 10 seconds; no 5 seconds! I wrapped the gun in a big towel to protect it from any accidental scratches. Done!
Arbor
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Paperclips make terrible lockpicks (and even worse tension bars). Your success will depend on the type of lock, number of pins, presence of security pins etc. Lockpicking is an art. Your individual lock may be very easy, or take a LOT of practice.
I would just drill it, a bit of a PITA but straightforword and hard to screw up.
I would just drill it, a bit of a PITA but straightforword and hard to screw up.
Since a lot of posts have said get lock picking tools, and sarcasm-meters are set at a spectrum of sensitivities, please be aware that some states (such as Maryland) will lock you up and throw away the key if you are caught with lock-picking tools but aren't a state-certified locksmith.
Yes, uncertified locksmiths, like uncertified cosmetologists, are a scourge to be wiped out.
Yes, uncertified locksmiths, like uncertified cosmetologists, are a scourge to be wiped out.
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