rcmodel
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AH!
Homemade corrosive primers!!
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Homemade corrosive primers!!
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How to make your own primers?
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ranger335v
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"Reload" primers? Anything can be done if we're determined to do it. But, disassembling primer anvils from the cups, punching the cup flat, installing a new pellet and replacing the anvil is more than I care to think about. I'd rather throw rocks!
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I agree completely.
Also, unless we are heading into the very end of time where the entire globe is nothing by anarchy and Martial Law, anyone with some guns and some ammunition stored should be alright. How much is not enough and how much is too much? Put it this way, no matter how many guns I have and how much loaded ammo I have, there will always be someone who has a lot more than I have. Unless I am living in a fortified bunker with provisions for EVERYTHING, I, and many others, will be out looking for food. We can be prepared all we want, however all it takes is one shot that we weren't expecting and then it is perhaps die a long, horrible death, or just outright die.
I know where my destination is, and this old world is only a temporary stop for me. Death is as much a part of life as birth is!
Greg Mercurio
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This is a classic example of "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."
Anyone willing to experiment with mass detonable compounds should have a will, self paid medical and a lot of land to work from. Lots of luck.
Anyone willing to experiment with mass detonable compounds should have a will, self paid medical and a lot of land to work from. Lots of luck.
Rollis R. Karvellis
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When it come's to this point, a good bow and reusable arrow's would probaly work better for hunting and, limited defince.
rcmodel
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I noticed on the news last night a little 11 year old Platte City MO girl blew herself and her parents kitchen up with 4th of July "Party Snappers".
Blew the windows out of the kitchen, and she was in critical condition last I heard.
Seems she was dumping them all out of the boxes & seperating the packing materials.
Then putting them into a glass mixing bowl when one went off and detonated the rest of them.
Make your own primers?
Yea! Thats the ticket!
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Blew the windows out of the kitchen, and she was in critical condition last I heard.
Seems she was dumping them all out of the boxes & seperating the packing materials.
Then putting them into a glass mixing bowl when one went off and detonated the rest of them.
Make your own primers?
Yea! Thats the ticket!
rc
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sonier
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matchead primers are the safest and easiest way to make your own primers in a shortage, they go bad after a few days and have "delayed explosion" when you laod matchstick primers if it dosnt fire wiat 30 seconds and point gun in safe direction, then quickly remove cartridge and put it in safe spot, making the matchead primers are safer than firing them by far.
while i appreciate the sarcasm, rcmodel, the fact is, we're doing lots of things that are inherently dangerous.
thousands of people die each year from accidents as a result of unsafe handling of firearms. the anti boards are full of sarcasm substantially similar to yours. reloading substantially increases the risk of catastrophic accidents. exceeding max published loads further increases those risks.
but the risks of all those are acceptable to most of us given some common sense and proper safety measures. i just don't see how reloading primers using match heads is any different.
thousands of people die each year from accidents as a result of unsafe handling of firearms. the anti boards are full of sarcasm substantially similar to yours. reloading substantially increases the risk of catastrophic accidents. exceeding max published loads further increases those risks.
but the risks of all those are acceptable to most of us given some common sense and proper safety measures. i just don't see how reloading primers using match heads is any different.
Grey Morel
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... It's a handful of matches, not a brick of SEMTEX. If one DOES detonate on you, it just goes "pop", and you get mad you wasted 5 minutes of your life.
zxcvbob
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As long as it's just one. And as long as that's what we are talking about, and not mixing up a bucketful of Armstrong's mixture, mercury fulminate, or lead or silver azide.
Greg Mercurio
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If in the worst case, you were reduced to making primers from match heads, you could probably make a case for this DYI BS. You might better have spent a little of the time invested herein researching and funding an ample supply of the real deal. But I'm presupposing you have a few tens of thousand spent primers as feedstock, along with a few tens of thousand of kitchen matches as well.
And that's what's great about being American. You can do damn near any foolishness and someone is always around to clean up your mess.
And that's what's great about being American. You can do damn near any foolishness and someone is always around to clean up your mess.
SharpsDressedMan
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I have lots more primers on hand than matches. I must be in the mInority...........
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qajaq59
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Seems to me that making your own primers might be more dangerous then the enemy would be in a SHTF situation. It'd be easier to steal their primers.
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I just found this thread via google and I wanted to add that there is an electrical alternative to conventional primers. Remington even made a rifle called the Etronx. Here is an article about it:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_6_47/ai_74033119/
The basic idea is that instead of the hammer crushing the primer, its possible to set off the primer via electrical discharge - the same way your BBQ lighter works. When pressure is applied to a piezoelectrically active crystal (such as Quartz) it will build up a voltage which can get high enough to ionize the air surrounding it (i.e. a spark). Instead of tetracyne they add carbon to the primer compound (I think) and that makes it conductive enough to have the electrical ark land there.
The advantages of this process were that lock time is reduced to essentially zero. The disadvantages are.. too many to list
Also, as designed, it still required a primer. However it was a step in the direction of all-electrical priming of the bullet.. a concept which I think should be doable, but like others have said pretty dangerous
Here are some possibilities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_primer
and here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_primer#Electrical
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_6_47/ai_74033119/
The basic idea is that instead of the hammer crushing the primer, its possible to set off the primer via electrical discharge - the same way your BBQ lighter works. When pressure is applied to a piezoelectrically active crystal (such as Quartz) it will build up a voltage which can get high enough to ionize the air surrounding it (i.e. a spark). Instead of tetracyne they add carbon to the primer compound (I think) and that makes it conductive enough to have the electrical ark land there.
The advantages of this process were that lock time is reduced to essentially zero. The disadvantages are.. too many to list
Also, as designed, it still required a primer. However it was a step in the direction of all-electrical priming of the bullet.. a concept which I think should be doable, but like others have said pretty dangerous
Here are some possibilities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_primer
and here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_primer#Electrical
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Among other nasty things, primers usually contain a significant amount of PETN, a HIGH explosive which REQUIRES a federal permit to even possess. Do yourself a BIG, BIG favor and don't even consider trying to make your own primers! I've read the manuals about mixing priming compound and loading primers. It's an incredibly difficult and dangerous job and accidents are common even with modern equipment. When priming compound ignites, it goes high order, in other words, it DETONATES. Even small amounts of priming compound can cause huge explosions and do a LOT of damage! If you concerned about future availability then save some money and lay in a stock of primers. Kept in a good, sealed container such as an ammo can they'll last very nearly forever.
Sitting on ~30,000 of the little suckers!
Sitting on ~30,000 of the little suckers!
Curator
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When in Brazil last year a back-woods villager on teh Rio Paxim showed me how he reloaded 209 shotgun primers with strike anywhere match tips. First he knocked out the cup and anvil, cleaned the primer body and using a ground-flat nail straightened out the primer "dent." Next the placed about 20 "kitchen" matches in a a damp cloth overnight to soften. The next day he used a razor blade to surgically remove the white tip. He added a small amount of water and medicinal alcohol then ground the tips into a damp paste. He filled the primer cups about 2/3 full with the paste and assembled the primer while the compound was still damp. (he used a small vise) Primers were loaded into plastic shotshells and kept dry for several days before loading with black powder and home-cut cardboard wads. He was loading steel B-Bs because these (and black powder) were available. Brazil is a crazy place. There is no legal source of ammunition but muzzle loaders are allowed on the Amazon and western frontier for subsistance hunting and protection. Everything is either smuggled in from Paraguay or Bolivia or home made. The home-made shot shells shot fine with their home-made primers. Of course, Black powder doesn't need much spark to light.
Among other nasty things, primers usually contain a significant amount of PETN, a HIGH explosive which REQUIRES a federal permit to even possess. Do yourself a BIG, BIG favor and don't even consider trying to make your own primers! I've read the manuals about mixing priming compound and loading primers. It's an incredibly difficult and dangerous job and accidents are common even with modern equipment. When priming compound ignites, it goes high order, in other words, it DETONATES. Even small amounts of priming compound can cause huge explosions and do a LOT of damage! If you concerned about future availability then save some money and lay in a stock of primers. Kept in a good, sealed container such as an ammo can they'll last very nearly forever.
Sitting on ~30,000 of the little suckers!
while i won't give anyone grief for erring on the side of safety in their public recommendations...
sitting on 30k of them would be breaking the law most places unless properly stored, which is highly unlikely in a residence. see this thread for some anecdotes, but it is your responsibility to understand the laws in your own state/city
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=259164
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