Howa 20" 7mm-08

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I am looking to find out what the best and most accurate Factory ammo to shoot in a 7mm-08 with a 1.9.5 twist rate . From what I read on a message from here if I understood right the faster rate is still good for a 140gr bullet , Am I right or wrong? I am going to puchase a Howa 1500 7mm-08 and if that rate is accurate What would shoot best out of it.
 
Enter in your information here, and it should give you a good idea. But you have to remember that some rifle barrels prefer boat-tail bullets while others like flat base bullets.
There are other factors that come into play as well. Just spend the coin on three major brands i.e. Remington, Federal, Winchester, and shoot.
 
I am sorry. I got side tracked, and forgot the link.

http://kwk.us/twist.html

enter the bullet length = usually found on the bullet manufacturer's website. (if you can know what bullet the factory is loading)
enter the diameter of the bullet
enter the printed muzzle velocity (note that most velocities are listed on the box for a test barrel. So if it says test barrel 24", and you are shooting a 20" barrel subtract around 70 fps per inch less. So in your case if the printed velocity is 2800 fps for 24" barrel you would enter 2520 fps.) I am not saying that 24" is what the manufacturer used. It is just an example.
leave the "bullet SG" at 10.9

This will show you the the twist rate that will be most efficient. Really bullet weight doesn't factor in because it is the length of the bullet that matters most when trying to match twist rate to a particular bullet.

But for 7mm-08 a 140 grain seems to be a very common weight for that cartridge, and so the length is also factored in from the factory. It really helps if you know what bullet is loaded in each of the companies brand.
The easiest/quickest way to find out is to drop the coin on a few boxes, and just shoot the gun. Your groups will show you what shoots best in your rifle.

Look here: http://www.cabelas.com/rifle-ammunition-federal-premium-7mm-08-rifle-ammunition-1.shtml for example. They show NP for Nosler Partition, NBT for Nosler Ballistic Tip, TSX for Barnes Triple Shock and so on. You can go to Nosler and Barnes websites, and they should give you the length of the bullet. If not, there are places, use google, to find this information.
 
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EB1 The Howa is suppose to have a 1in9.5 twist rate what would shoot the best out of that barrel being 20" 7mm-08 Thanks
 
Do some research. I found all of the information from the manufacturer's sight. Such as bullet used, velocity, and diameter.
That is the information you need.

i.e. http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/Partition.aspx
and http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=360

But you will not know for sure until you shoot several different types out of your rifle, or you find one that gives what you consider to be satisfactory accuracy out of your specific rifle. Two rifles off the same line will generally like two different bullets and/or loads.
 
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Good pickings, and great caliber. Let us know what you find shoots best. I am interested to see what you decide on.
I really wanted a 7mm-08. I went to buy a 7mm-08 because I was able to hunt a large pasture, but when I arrived all they had in the model of rifle that I had choose to buy was .243 and .25-06. Well. I walked with the .25-06, and couldn't be happier. If I didn't need it right then, that night, I would have waited to buy the 7mm-08.
If I live long enough I will own one.

You picked a great platform and hunting cartridge. If it were me. I would try some 140 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips or Combined Technology Silver Tips in your testing. These shoot very well out of my .25-06. I shoot the 115 grain Combined Technology Silver Tips.
Also I would think that 120 grain weight out of the 7mm-08 would be a super load also if your rifle like it.
Maybe you could buy a box of 7mm-08 in 120 grain and another in 140 grain. Shoot 4 groups of 5 shots letting the barrel cool until it is completely cool between shots. Do this for each group. Then compare the groups. If your rifle looks like it prefers 120 grains over the 140 grains then try a couple different brands of the 120 grain loads, and just the opposite if your rifle prefers the 140 grain loads. If so, then try a couple different brands of the 140 grain loads.

It is a good time to test because depending on where you live it is COLD! This helps because the barrel cools quickly, and the range time goes quicker. The last thing you want to do is go out, and just shoot your groups very fast. Take your time, let the barrel cool (helps to take a .22 LR to shoot while your centerfire is cooling off), use sand bags on the forearm and on the butt-stock to help you steady the rifle.

In the end your rifle will let you know what you should be shooting. Again. Revisit us, and let us know what you find out, and by the way. Welcome to the board.
 
As far as most accurate, there will never be one answer. A given rifle + a given factory ammo does not = a certain accuracy. Too many variables.

What are you shooting at and what are your expected outcomes?

If just paper punching for fun, get some cheap fodder. If deer sized game, I've had good luck with any of the ballistic tip style bullets.

I also have a 7mm-08 and it is a really under appreciated caliber. Great for deer sized game and up to elk with good shot placement and quality bullets.
 
Thank all of you for the info I will try these test as soon as I get in here I am just buying it off the forum I talk on mostly thanks again ..


I also wanted to know the rulle of thumb for twist my understanding is that the faster is better for the lighter bullets and the slower is better for the heavier ones am I correct or not.
 
I've got a 20 inch Weatherby Vanguard carbine in 7mm-08. When I first got it I bought a box of 140 grain Fusion bullets just for the heck of it. They did quite well, just about MOA. If you are not reloading that's what I'd recommend. I finally settled on 130 grain Nosler BT's handloads that ARE MOA
 
Remember that what is BEST and what is most ACCURATE are not neccessarily the same thing.

Your concern over the twist rate and bullet weight is misplaced. With the 1/9.5" twist, the 7mm08 is capable of excellent accuracy with bullets from 100gr to 180gr.

The most accurate bullet may be a real stinker when it comes to game performace. I've had 115gr HP's shoot bug-holes from my T/C carbine in 7-30Waters. However, on deer they fail to penetrate and I nearly lost a 100lb doe I shot with one. On the other hand, a lot# of 139gr Hornady SST's shot superbly through my Rem. Mod-7 in 7mm08. However, I lost 4 of the 5 deer I shot with bullets from that box(component bullets-ran at 2,900fps). The one I recovered was a spine shot that killed the deer, but failed to expand the bullet. It drilled through the deer with no apparant expansion.

The Federal Fusion is developing an excellent reputation for accuracy and performance on game. It is the combination of a "bonding" technology and economical mass production. The Remington CorLokt has an almost legendary reputation for effectiveness on game, but sometimes lack desired accuracy. Most lot#'s I've used were 1-2moa accurate, but some have been outstanding accurate. Remingtons q-c isn't always the best. The Winchester PowerPoints sometimes seperate jacket from core, but likewise perform well. The BallisticTips often give superior accuracy, but game performance is often too explosive, hence the Nosler Accubond.... The Sierra GameKings are just that, the "king" as far as I'm concerned, but more penetration may be desired, hence the Nosler Partitions. However, I've found the Hornady Interloks and Remington Corlokts to penetrate as well or in some case better than the Noslers in the 7mm08.....Hence, I'm not wedded to the Nosler Partitions....

If you reload, you have a plethora of excellent bullets. Some expensive, some a bargain. If you don't reload (you really should) then you are "stuck" with the factory offerings, but some are excellent but excessively expensive.

Try the "standards", the Federal Fusion, Remington Corlokts, and Winchester Power Points. Either of these work well on deer size game. All are probably only offered in 140gr as this the primary offerings for the 7mm08. You might find some older ammo in different weight offerings for the 7mm08, but it has been a long time since I saw some 150gr PowerPoints.

If cost is no problem, the Hornady 140gr Interlok (Boat-tail or flat base) are excellent. They are inexpensive to reload but are pricey in factory form. Be "suspicious" of any of the "plastic tip" ammo. Especially the "coated" ones such as the Ballistic Silver-tip. The coating causes problems in some rifles. The Nosler Accubonds (as loaded in the Nosler "Custom" line) are great, but may cost $2each in factory loaded ammo.

My rifle "prefers" a 150gr bullet for accuracy (7mm-08, Rem Mod-7 w/20"bbl). This barrel is "fast" as it often gives the same velocities quoted for 24" bbls with same ammo/data, or within 50fps. However, just because a bullet is "heavier" don't expect significantly better performance. I shot a 70lb doe with a 150gr Ballistic Tip earlier this fall and the bullet shed the core which fragmented on the spine and failed to completely penetrate the deer. No exit wound and all I recovered was the lower 1/2 of the jacket. The deer was a bang-flop, but a shoulder shot on an elk would have been an entirely different story......

Elk with a 7mm-08 is certainly do-able. Mine has taken one, a large bull at that, but bullet selection is critical. This is the reason there is a box of 0.284" 150gr Nosler Partitions on my bench waiting the day I head west again.

Good luck with the 7mm08. It's an excellent cartridge capable beyond it's apppearances. (just like it's grand-daddy, the 7x57Mauser). Just don't get caught up in insignificant "minutia" such as twist rate. Most factory rifles shoot well with factory ammo. There were a few Savage rifles produced with 1/11" rifling that didn't do well with 160gr and heavier bullets. This is what the "stink" is about twist rate with the 7mm08.
 
Thank you both for you're help I will try this as soon as the rifle gets here I have been looking for a 7mm-08 for a long time and it will compliment my Mauser 2000 308 win greatly , Thank you again and I will keep you informed ASAP.
 
So what have you found out since then? I got my son a 20" howa 1500 7mm-08.. Been slowly working up a load for it. So far 43 grains of varget under a 140 horn sst has been best, 3/4" to 1". 160's not so good. picked up some more bullets in some lighter weights to try, the search continues.
 
Chucknbach;
Try some RL17 and H380.
The H380 was the powder of choice for many of the shilhoutte shooters back in the 80's.
RL17 is the best powder I've found for my 7mm08. The earlier mentioned 150gr Nosler BallisticTip load was 46.0gr of RL17 under the 150's. Gets 2,800fps m/v from my 20"bbl. Accuracy is as good as this rifle normally shoots. (1-2moa). For Elk, I'd use either the 150gr Nosler Accubond or 150gr Swift Scirocco; unless I was using the Partitions...
 
The loads I've settled on for my Wby Vanguard(Howa) 20" carbine use Hornady 139 BTSP, Rem 140 Corelokt PSP, or Nosler 140 BT bullets. All are suitable for deer and each has made a one shot kill on same. The old stock Nitrex 145 Grand Slam ammo is not quite on the same accuracy level as the handloads but is quite hot and I'm saving a few boxes in case this carbine goes elk hunting or gets picked as a backup.
 
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