Hunter Kills Wild Elk 50 Miles From Where I Live

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This happened about 50 miles from me. I wonder if the elk wandered off from one of the game farms?

There was good reason for the outcry when DNR proposed establishing an Elk herd in Shawnee National Forest. They have done such a poor job of managing the whitetail deer herd that we'd certainly be dealing with fatal (to the human drivers and passengers) Elk/car accidents in 15 or 20 years.

When I was a boy it was a rare thing to see a white tail deer in Southern Illinois. Now they are so numerous they are a hazard.

Jeff


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...09DACB4E56799640862570D0001BF8B5?OpenDocument
Hunter kills wild elk on farm in S. Illinois
By Paul Hampel
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
12/06/2005


NEW MINDEN

Brandon Sachtleben sighted down the barrel of his 12-gauge shotgun and, for the first time since he began hunting deer, let a 10-point buck pass without firing.

Sachtleben, 21, was waiting for something bigger to come along, a beast whose raspy roar had filled the woods Saturday morning on his family's farm near New Minden in Illinois' Washington County, 55 miles southeast of St. Louis.

And then Sachtleben saw it - a massive bull elk. Wild elk disappeared from Southern Illinois in the early 1800s.

"He stood 3-feet taller than the white-tailed deer, who were behaving very skittish around him," said Sachtleben, a business major at Southern Illinois University Carbondale. "He was definitely in charge."

Sachtleben squeezed off a shot and the elk leapt forward, mortally wounded.

Illinois conservation officials confirmed Tuesday that the kill was the first known shooting of an elk in the wild in the region since 2001, when a hunter bagged one in Calhoun County that had escaped from a nearby preserve.

But Sachtleben, and his father, Doug Sachtleben, 39, a real estate appraiser, suspect that the elk shot Saturday was about 2-years-old and the offspring of animals that escaped a nearby preserve that closed down in the early 1990s.

If that's true, it would mark the first known self-sustaining population of elk in the wild in the region in almost 200 years.

"People in this area have seen elk cows and bulls roaming here," Brandon Sachtleben said. "For sure there are more out there, and they are breeding."

Within the past decade, Illinois and Missouri conservation officials have considered reintroducing wild elk. The plans were met with vehement opposition and dropped. Opponents claimed elk would be a danger to motorists, citing statistics involving crashes with deer.

Capt. Mark Ottis with the Illinois Department of Natural Resources said it is possible "that a very small, local population could exist."

"It would be the only one we know of," Ottis said. "They are an indigenous species but have not been considered native for a long time."

Sachtleben field-dressed the animal and had it weighed at a bar in Prairie du Rocher, where it tipped the scales at 280-pounds; he figured it weighed about 400 pounds before it was gutted.

A mature bull elk can weigh up to 1,000 pounds, with the antlers alone stretching 6 feet and weighing 50 pounds. Deer are maybe a fourth the size of an elk.

Ottis said Sachtleben's kill was legal, since elk are not a regulated species in Illinois.

"Legally, he could have killed it in July," Ottis said.

Sachtleben said he has hunted since he was old enough to walk. He plans to have the elk's head mounted for display in his efficiency apartment in Carbondale - right alongside a stuffed 60-pound carp he caught barehanded last year in the university's lake.

"My friends asked me then how I'd top the carp catch," Sachtleben said. "I guess just did."
 

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Larry,
I'm sure that even Southern Illinois is more populated then Colorado. The elk out there can probably roam over their entire range and not encounter many roads and automobiles.

The whitetail deer herd has been so mismanaged that they are a hazard to drivers. They have no natural predators except for man here. They cause crop damage and the number of car/deer accidents is just unbelievable.

This year DNR went to electronic checking of deer. All you had to do was get online or call a toll free phone number to check your deer. People are speculating that this is really to sort of give a wink and a nod to people who would kill more then they had tags for during shotgun season.

I guess I dispatch 8-10 every year between Sep and Feb. They get hit by cars then have to be put down. That duty usually falls to the nearest police officer.

Rick,
Illinois has no tags for elk. You could legally shoot them year round.

Jeff
 
The elk out there can probably roam over their entire range and not encounter many roads and automobiles.
Good point, Jeff.

Where I live, eastern Colorado along the Arkansas river, whitetails are just starting to be a problem. In 1949, there were NO whitetails in Colorado. Now there are several thousand along the Arkansas and Platte drainages. Car/deer collisions are fairly common just within a mile of my house.
 
Am I the only one to who that looks like a very odd elk?

Hmm... 280 lbs dressed and older than a spike. What else did those game preserves have on 'em? Red deer?
 
Virginia has a small elk population now as well. Here, if you get an elk, you use a deer tag. While we can call in whitetail deer kills, you have to take elk to the check station.

I haven't seen an elk yet, but a guy got one in a remote part of SW Va a few years ago. He thought it was a large deer until he got to it. :D

Chris
 
mtnbkr said:
Virginia has a small elk population now as well. Here, if you get an elk, you use a deer tag. While we can call in whitetail deer kills, you have to take elk to the check station.

I haven't seen an elk yet, but a guy got one in a remote part of SW Va a few years ago. He thought it was a large deer until he got to it. :D

Chris

should have seen me when i was perusing the hunting rules booket a few months back... "ELK? in virginia?"

next thing you know, someone will be trying to start a moose population in the great dismal swamp...
 
"Delk?"

Hmmm..... Ya know, they say a whitetail buck will breed anything that'll stand still and some things that won't! I'd hate to run into one that could corral an elk cow... :uhoh:

Unless, of course, I was ready fer him with .140 gr of .270 win! :evil:
 
My neighbor butchered and freezered a road killed elk here in east Texas last year. No idea where it came from, but they have pretty much everything on the "exotic" game farms so it might just have well been a zebu or a musk oxen. The lady who hit it with her car said the police dispatcher laughed when she called and reported hitting an elk and she could hear him in the background on the radio telling the responding officer that "this lady thinks she hit an elk".
 
These game ranches, and especially the exotic game ranches, tend to worry me. An antelope was just captured in Toledo a few days ago. An Elk was shot south of there. A 'lion-like' animal is still being reported running around Central Ohio. Just last week several people reported seeing a 100lb-ish cat, which the DNR claimed to be a housecat There are two exotic game ranches close to the two places where I normally hunt- these are about 40 miles apart. Both have Lions, Tigers (Bears Oh my) and Lord knows what else.
In addition to worrying about diseases these animals might spread, I'm beginning to get little paranoid about walking in the woods after dark, or anytime when I'm only carrying a bow or .22. First Zombies and now this!! :)
 
Atticus,

We had something similar happen in Va several years ago. Someone's private zoo got turned out into the wild after they couldn't or wouldn't care for them any longer.

FWIW, Va's CCW law allows for CCW while bow or BP hunting, you just can't use your CCW for hunting purposes when the season is bow or BP.

Chris
 
That thing is just a little baby, hardly has any antlers.

Well, he won't be getting any bigger.
Am I the only one to who that looks like a very odd elk?
No, you aren't the only one. Even a 2yo should be bigger than 400#. Might look big if you're used to white tails. . .
 
THIS is an elk... :D

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That is my grandad in 1964. Doctor's Peak near Gunnison CO.
 

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El Tejon said:
We get them from time to time as they wander down from Michigan back to their one time home ranges here.

What do you call an elk in Indiana? Dinner!:D

This is such a good time for Indiana. First, Wild pigs are starting to cross in, and now elk are seen the next state over!

cant wait tilll we have to start "managing the heard".:D

Another ditto to Atticus...

People have been reporting Mountain Lions all over Indiana for YEARS, and everyone refuses to believe that they once again roam our woods. Funny thing: a Mountain Lion was jsut recently killed JUST NORTH of the Indiana/Michigan line. They couldnt POSSIBLy walk accross back into territories they onced hunted.:rolleyes:

Bow hunters have also reported being attacked by packs of wild dogs. (From a request posted on DNR website)
 
Hey Indiana guys.

A friend of mine and I were stalked by 4 coyotes in a gravel pit once. I grew up in South Bend and this was just outside the main part of the city off Mayflower Rd. His dog chased them off.

From what I understand there are a lot of coyote in northern Indiana, now when I go home for visits I have to watch out for mountian lion too!

- D
 
After looking upa few pics on the net to check on those ears... Red deer or european stag like I suspected. Not an elk.
 
Showed an enlarged picture to one of the biologist professors I work with and whom has shot a few elk. He said that it was an bull elk, approx 2-2.5 years old. When I showed him the picture ont he screen, he said it was the same animal but at that size its hard to tell what the hell it is.

Charby
 
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