I got pulled over today... your gonna want to read this.

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So lets get the some facts straight.
1: I do not live of my father or use his connections to further my pursuit in life.
2: I lived in Arizona for many years where a front plate is not required so thats what I'm used to
3:You call me a spoiled "brat" without knowing even how old I am let alone what I do for a living or how much money I make...

My father is a 58 year old man. I said he is friends with the ASSISTANT chief of police not he chief. They served on a city board together which was created to get youth more involved in the community. Thats what back in late 90's early 00's When I was graduating from high school.
So.. With that said. I'm not asking for your criticism about my not having a plate nor what car I drive.
The question was to give an opinion on how the officer handled the situation.

AGAIN I AM NOT BRINGING MY FATHER INTO THIS WHAT SO EVER.... IM JUST GOING TO SPEAK WITH A FAMILY FRIEND WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE ASSISTANT CHEIF...
 
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Well I think that if the officer thought that you were reaching for your gun after you knowingly broke the law than he reacted well with in his right to protect himself by detaining you. Your car wasn't searched right? Also you may consider carrying your wallet in a different pocket when carrying your gun.
 
1. Did you reach for your wallet without telling the Officer about the weapon?
2. Does WA state law dictate if you need to inform Officers if you are carrying?
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My hands had not left the wheel.
And no there is no law saying it must be stated. BUT I do usually inform the officer but in this case I didnt even get a chance to say whats the problem.
 
Don't drive an m3? You guys sound like the anti's that want to take away our valuable freedoms. This is America people, drive what you want. Yeah, put on a front plate, that was dumb. But can't you just hear some anti saying you just shouldn't be carrying? It's legal to drive an M3, it is his right to drive an M3, just like it is our right to bear arms. I can't believe the hypocrisy I'm hearing on this thread. Unbelievable people, really, the rush to judgement is seriously making me wonder what happened to taking the High Road. I am truly dissapointed.
 
If I was a cop, I'd have done the same.
Too many of them get shot by not being so careful.
I live in Washington too and the first thing I'd tell a cop if I was pulled over is that I have a concealed weapon and permit. I would then follow his instructions to the t.
Cooperation goes a long way.
But I'm sure driving a new Beemer and my daddy is friends with the ASSISTANT police chief, I might feel priveleged too.

Let us know what she says.
 
My hands had not left the wheel.
And no there is no law saying it must be stated. BUT I do usually inform the officer but in this case I didnt even get a chance to say whats the problem.
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IF this is true, and you aren't just trying to not look like an idiot on a gun board, then yes, the officer over reacted, and you should pursue some kind of disciplinary action against him for pointing a gun at you.
 
That's false. He was clearly carrying openly otherwise the officer would not have seen the firearm. If carrying openly is a perfectly legal act then drawing on him and forcefully detaining him was a violation of rights.

An officer can not draw his firearm anytime he likes. They have specific rules in place. In most states that would be considered brandishing when done by anyone else. The officer had zero reason to believe he was under attack. Simple legally open carrying a firearm is not justification.
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I want to know if the cop's finger was on the trigger when he had it pointed at the kid.
 
officer did fine

you failed.....bad

your're still failing basic spelling and grammar

you make excuses for knowingly not complying with a law.....and then whine when you are called on it
you rather define "brat"
 
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I can't believe the hypocrisy I'm hearing on this thread. Unbelievable people, really, the rush to judgement is seriously making me wonder what happened to taking the High Road. I am truly dissapointed.
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See, the OP's mistake was he admitted to breaking a law. It seems the general rule at THR is that if you break ANY law you get exactly what's coming to you. Had his license plate been stolen or simply fallen off I'm sure the attitudes would be a bit different. Never mind that his hands never left the wheel or that the LEO used deadly force to detain him because he was legally exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
 
Recently, while in a hurry to get to work on time, I pulled out of a side street a little too close to a police officer traveling in the same direction as me. He immediately turned on his lights and pulled me over. This is in an isolated area of the county where I reside. I immediately pulled over, turned off the vehicle, turned on the dome light, rolled down the window and placed my hands on the steering wheel in plain sight. The officer said good morning and asked me if I knew why he pulled me over. I replied that yes I did and stated my action that caused him to pull me over. He asked for my license and registration. I told him that I had a loaded handgun in the dash and a CCW permit. He asked me to produce the permit and asked me to open the glove box and hand him the registration and leave the firearm where it was in the glove box and close the glove box. he returned to his car with my license, permit, and registration. I fully expected to get a ticket which I deserved. He returned and thanked me for being courteous and repectfull and said he felt comfortable when he approached my vehicle with my dome light on and my hands in clear view. He also thanked me for declaring my weapon. His backup was probably 15 minutes or better away in that part of the county. He aske me why I pulled out in front of him and I replied that I was in a hurry and late for work. I apologized to him for my carelessness. He handed me my documents and asked that I promise him that I would slow down and be more careful. I of course affirmed. He was in his right to give me a ticket and detain me for a while - I felt. I was not cited. Bad citizen good officer.
 
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Knowing full well that theres little chance we're getting the whole story here I'd have to say that if it was Ironfist making this thread I'd be a bit more sympathetic or believing of the facts as the OP has stated. OP, maybe you dont realize this but from the way you come across, your attitude, and from the very beginning of your post I don't have that hard of a time seeing how you could get yourself in trouble. Seeing that you haven't exactly gotten an overwhelming show of support in this thread I'd ask that you read Ironfist's post, read it a second time, have a cup of coffee then perhaps read it again. THAT is the way you handle yourself with police and people in general..with tact, common sense, and a lack of attitude. I wouldn't care that he's 6'2 500lbs or if he had tatoos all over. Mutual respect is a two way street and you truly get what you give.

As far as the legality of him intending to search your vehicle I can't comment seeing how there are some gaps in your story.
As someone said earlier..the main thing for any officer is to go home that day. If that means you are put in cuffs to ensure my safety or because you would rather play internet lawyer with me on the roadside instead of showing me that you are in fact legally carrying and present no threat..too bad. I go home that night in one piece, you are released with nothing more than hurt feelings, and some appellate court can argue it out for the next ten years.
 
If you have a CCL you should follow the law. You broke the law then cry when you are stopped in your dads car. You even got off to boot.
Too bad...LOL
 
As someone said earlier..the main thing for any officer is to go home that day.
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That's the problem. Some LEO's put themselves over our rights or over the law. I say if you can't uphold the law or put a citizens rights above all else you should be in another line of work.
 
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your still failing basic spelling and grammer

you make excuses for knowingly not complying with a law.....and than whine when you are called on it
you rather define "brat"
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my my my, how hypocrisy runs RAMPANT here these days. talk about failing fail. jjeeeeeeez.

lets try this:

"you're still failing basic spelling and grammar

you make excuses for knowingly not complying with a law.....and then whine when you are called on it.
you rather define "brat":

might want to run a little spell and grammar check before you go criticizing others on theirs.

sure is good to know there are so many professional behavior experts here that can judge a man so accurately based on a few paragraphs he wrote and what car he drives.

Bobby
 
I agree, Ravonaf, that it was just dumb not to put plates on his car but these knee jerk reactions and blanket judgements like 'Mistake #1 driving a BMW M3'. So we can just randomly judge people to be making mistakes despite the fact they have a RIGHT to be doing it. It is the exact same mentality of the anti-gunners, that despite the fact it is a RIGHT it is a mistake. Can't you guys see you are using the same reasoning as the anti's? You have a right to do it but I judge it wrong? Your opinion doesn't matter, it is his right to drive that car and has no bearing on the matter at hand. Should we ban the .50 cal because someone says it's a mistake to own one? NO! It is a right! How can people on this thread even suggest that someone exercising a right, any right, is a mistake. Talk about hypocrisy, we must unite to protect all our freedoms and rights, to make sure our most valuable one is not infringed upon.
 
If we were free to disobey whatever laws we wanted to, the justice system would in an even bigger mess, now wouldn't it? The OP broke a law, got off with a warning and is sore about it.

For some real fun, try speeding with a burned-out headlamp, expired registration, no drivers license, no shirt and the smell of dope in the car. Be sure to act really indignant and belligerent when you talk to the nasty old policeman.
 
Anyone ever notice that people who are respectful and courteous towards police officers never seem to have problems?

Who wants to bet the phrases "my dad is friends with the assistance chief", "you can't do this", "I don't have to do that" and the ever popular "my taxes pay your salary" didn't come into play within the first 2 minutes of this little situation?

Besides, can't the police hold you for 72 hours without charges?
 
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