I made a big boo-boo on my AR15

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Got my AR10 out today to put some grease on the BCG before going to range, and forgot to put the firing pin in the bolt. I put the BCG in the receiver and tried to fit back together the lower and upper but would not fit together. So I tried to pull out the BCG, but I could not get it to come out the receiver. Any ideas on what I can do to get BCG out of the receiver along with charging handle.
 
I believe that what's happened is that without the firing pin in place, the Cam Pin has moved or rotated and this causes the rifle to lock up like that.

You can jostle the thing around and maybe hit it with a soft hammer in the hopes that the cam pin moves back into place.

Other than that, there are some suggestions, not all of them pretty, here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=76616
 
Just be happy you didn't put it together and fire it w/o the cam pin.

That can get really exciting, at least for a short while.

BSW
 
Justin
Thanks for your suggestion of a rubber hammer taping lightly on side of receiver. It worked after about six to eight taps. I feel so stupid, but I'm not the first nor probably the last one to do this. Thanks again.
 
Just be happy you didn't put it together and fire it w/o the cam pin.

That can get really exciting, at least for a short while.

BSW

Doesn't the Army M-16 / M-4 manual say, and I believe this is a direct quote, "your weapon will explode" if you do that?
 
Technically, not a explosion, but yes, firing a rifle with a unlocked bolt can be described as a explosion of sorts.

BSW
 
Doesn't the Army M-16 / M-4 manual say, and I believe this is a direct quote, "your weapon will explode" if you do that?
It may, but assuming each branch has the same manuals for the same weapons (and I'd think they would), I don't think it does. I definitely don't recall anything like that from when I was in the Air Force, at least.

...firing a rifle with a unlocked bolt can be described as a explosion of sorts.
Firing a properly assembled weapon can be described as an explosion too, technically. :p
 
It may, but assuming each branch has the same manuals for the same weapons (and I'd think they would), I don't think it does. I definitely don't recall anything like that from when I was in the Air Force, at least.

They don't. The Army, Navy, and Air Force us the same manual. The Marines have a different one.

I just looked it up. On page 0017 00-4, the manual says "Be sure the cam pin is installed in the bolt carrier assembly. If it isn't, you weapon can still fire and will explode"

I don't see how the weapon itself could explode. It would seem that the bolt, being unlocked, would allow the bolt carrier group to recoil rearward as soon as the powder ignited. Perhaps the case, removed from the containment of the chamber, could rupture or explode. A problem, for sure, but how could the weapon itself explode?
 
The rifle will explode because instead of 50,000 psi pressures being confined to the inside of the chamber and bolt face you'll have those pressures on the inside of the receiver and magazine. Those parts were not designed for and won't handle those forces.

Hence, the very fast disassembly of the rifle. AKA it explodes.

BSW
 
yep, its there in my copy of the PDF

TM9-1005-319-10.pdf

Operator's Manual Rifle, 5.56-MM, M16A2

BEWARE OF DANGEROUS PROCEDURES
l. Be sure the cam pin is installed in the bolt group. If it isn’t, your rifle can still fire and will explode,

The page also includes the helpful comment "For information on First aid, see FM 21-11."
 
Let my example of stupidity of wrongly putting together the BCG not let you panick and go to a gunsmith and get ripped off. The light tapping of the receiver of a rubber hammer on the side where the cam pin is located probably will do most of time, and save yourself some money. I learned a lesson and will be more careful from now on in putting together properly the BCG. Never realized that the BCG assembly could turn into a possible disaster.
 
The firing pin was the better part to forget...consider yourself lucky.
 
Being a USAF Combat Arms instructor these days, I have watched idiots that weren't paying attention in class pooch-screw an M-16 every way possible putting them back together and leaving out the firing pin or installing it with the flange on the wrong side of the firing pin retaining pin isn't as uncommon as you may think. The tapping with a mallet method you found is one way to fix it. Pulling back lightly on the charging handle and pressing the carrier back into battery until the cam pin aligns itself correctly is another but really, it's just a matter of bump, wiggle, jiggle and tap until it comes out. Just be patient.
Another thing I have seen is forgetting to put the buffer and spring back in. Go to do a function check by pulling the bolt back and it stays there. Kind of funny to see the look on their faces!:evil: The easy fix for this in the event you do this let gravity work for you by tapping the muzzle on the ground and the bolt carrier moves back forward so you can break it down and put the missing spring and buffer back in.
Another trick I teach is when putting the bolt back in, the cam pin will go in only one way since the wrong end of the cam pin hole in the bolt is designed to prevent you from putting it in wrong. A simple trick that works every time is how we learned how to do this in the dark when I was in the Marines and that is to hold the carrier in your right hand with your index finger along the side of the gas key. Now when you put the bolt in, feel the locking lugs and as you rotate it, your finger will eventually drop down onto the extractor. Now your cam pin will go in every time because that is the correct orientation the bolt needs to be in to get the cam pin back in.
As far as forgetting to put the cam pin back in, yes you can assemble the rifle without it and you may even be able to load and fire 1 round. I say that because without the cam pin, if it is in a position to fire with a round in the chamber, the lugs aren't locked and now you have a blowback operation in a locking lug design!:eek: The comments about the weapon blowing up are technically correct since while the explosive power of the cartridge should mainy stay in the chamber, the bolt now comes back with all that 52,000 PSI and no way to control it resulting in a destroyed weapon and possibly a destroyed shooter as well. If however, the term "explode" doesn't tickle your fancy though, think of it as an "unplanned catastrophic weapons disassembly not in accordance with approved methods.":D
 
Any idea when that changed? When I was in they were the same.

Page 37 has the warning: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/TM9-1005-319-10.pdf

No idea. I also see the manual you posted to is for both US Army and USMC. The one I have here in front of me says "Army TM 9-1005-319-10, Air Force TO.1123-5-5-41, Navy SW 370-BU-OPI010. Supersedes copy dated August 1986" (the copy you linked to is the August 1986 copy). It also says "see page i for details". Page i mentions "Departments of the Army, Air Force, and Navy". So, being the Department of the Navy manual, I suppose it may apply to the Marine Corps as well.
 
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