I need to convince a friend that you can shoot.38 special loads out of a .357

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Why are you doing all of the investigating? If he doesn't want to check it out for himself, let it go. Personally, when I tell someone something that I know for sure and then they dismiss it without even checking, I feel somewhat offended. It's like they're saying that my words don't mean enough to consider. Depending upon the situation, I may ask "wanna bet?" If they say ok to that, then I'll go get proof. Most of the time, though, I just let it go. One can't help someone who chooses to remain ignorant.
 
There is antoher GOOD reason for only loading five rounds..
If you load six,and you pull the hammer ALL the way back and then let it down..as you should...YOu won't get an ad when the hammer is being let down on a live round.
It can happen,trust me on that. !

^^ignore the above if you have a new model that is loaded by opening the loading gate and NOT having to have the hammer on half cock.

To answer the original question,I"ve been shooting .38's in my .357's for YEARS.
 
38 in a 357

Only thing to remember to do regularly is this! Clean the cylinder frequently to get out the slight powder fouling ring that forms in front of the shorter 38spec. caseing and sometimes prevents a 357 case from sliding all the way in! I had a Smith 686 that had lots of 38s fired in it . I kept myself a once fired magnum case in my gun cleaning kit to check it.
 
chriske,
Seriously, 4 consecutive 1 line posts a minute or two apart that are really 2 sets of doubles... That why the have an edit button in this forum. :neener:
 
I'm not upset about being the one doing the investigating, I just want to convince him because I bought a box of .38's that I want to shoot from his gun! It's not that he didn't believe me, he was just a little concerned about shooting an unfamiliar round out of his gun, and I really can't blame him. I've sinced explained it to him and showed "proof" and it's all cleared up, now we're ready to go shoot those .38s.
 
Hope you have a great time :)

Personally, I think it makes sense to question using ammunition you're not sure about. And it seems he had no problem with it once he got convincing information that it was ok. Never hurts to err on the side of caution.
 
Don't tell him anything. When he gets tired of paying for shooting .357's all the time maybe he'll sell the Blackhawk to you cheap. ;)
 
Eh, uh....

The .357 magnum was developed FROM the .38 special. It's nothing more than a .38 special case lengthened roughly 1/8" and loaded to higher pressures.

Tell him to do some research on the .38 special, the 38-44 Heavy Duty, and the .357 magnum.

Seriously...there are people out there that do not know this?
 
I'm sure both of these answers have been given. 1. Have him call Ruger and speak to them directly. 2. The owners manual should say it. He can get it online, or request one from Ruger.

Regardless, he should request an owners manual just to have one. Also, the Blackhawk is a cool revolver. My brother has one I totally dig it! He got a deer with it a couple years back.
 
Norstrog,
You're right about the manual. There are several posts on the first page with the link to that online manual...
It's not that he didn't believe me, he was just a little concerned about shooting an unfamiliar round out of his gun, and I really can't blame him.
JeffDilla,
Now that strikes me very strange. He is worried about firing Factory .38 Specials but has no problem with firing reloaded .357 Magnum rounds in his gun without knowing anything about those reloads. Wow, very strange indeed!! :uhoh:
 
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"I would never shoot a reload from an unknown source."

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I agree with this poster. I would only shoot 'reloads' that my husband loaded and from some VERY close gun friends that I absolutely trust for reloading and safety measures.

Catherine
 
The Ruger Blackhawk is a fabulous gun! I am very biased being that I own one and LOVE it in 45Colt. I have shot other calibers in the Blackhawk!

Did you say that this is an older model or the New Model Version?

I agree with what the other posters said about reading the RUGER manual online if he does not have the original owners manual - old model or new model version.

Have him call Ruger if he is so worried about brand new ammuntion and, YES, 38Special ammunition can be used in a 357Magnum. Been there - done that in several of MY OWN guns (S&W and Ruger.), my late husband's guns, my groom aka husband's guns and GUNS that I did not own in 357Magnum that my friends owned. I would TRUST brand new factory 38Special and 357Magnum ammunition before I would trust an unknown 'load' reloaded by someone that I did not personally know well!

Have him check that RUGER website, other ammunition websites, other gun manufacturer's websites, etc. There are many famous gun books and authors out there who can help him.

Have him check out which model he actually owns in this Blackhawk - old or new model and the 'loading' instructions.

Best wishes, be safe and have fun!

Catherine
 
PS

Hornady and other companies have reloading and other books which explain what type of ammunition is this or that.

Several years ago, I bought a Hornady 2 piece anniversary book set (Cabela's in MI.) so I could LOOK (Read and learn!) at the pictures and explanations on what CARTRIDGE was what compared to other calibers. I only knew about 38Special, 38Special Plus P, 357Magnum and 22LR before I started to buy MY own guns, get more into self defense and into the shooting sports.

http://www.gunblast.com/Paco_Manuals.htm

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=438424

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseCategories.aspx?tabId=3&categoryId=691&categoryString=653***

Best wishes again to both of you.

Catherine
 
Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. Its all cleared up now, I showed him the online manual and he printed a copy of it.
 
Catherine, I'm not sure if his blackhawk is and older or newer model. His grandmother gave it to him recently, so I suppose it could be old. I'll let you know after tomorrow, we're going shooting:)
 
I see we got to "read the manual." I sure hope you can shoot .38 special out of a .357 because that's about all my .357's see. Reloads at that.

Excellent advice, Catherine. I think the Blackhawk is one of the most fun revolvers out there. I bought a .357/9mm convertible and absolutely love to shoot it. Mostly .38 special with some .357 thrown in. I've been dithering over a .45 lc, .45 convertible or an SBH in .44 mag. May have to resolve the dither by buying one in .45 and one in .44.
 
Jeff,

You're very welcome.

Mine are the Ruger New Model Versions because I did not start to buy my own guns until May 1998 and on. Mine were all bought NIB, back east, at my local gun store. I did NOT know jack squat about looking at a used gun and seeing if it was 'good' or not and I did not know a 'gunsmith', at THAT time. My late husband ONLY owned ABOUT 5 guns his entire life... SELF DEFENSE for us and plinking, as soon as he got back to his home state after Vietnam and around the world USN tours. He was ALWAYS into self defense/shooting not 'collecting'. He was a GREAT shot too - go figure! Grin. I was ALWAYS into the RKBA ISSUE as he was and into SELF DEFENSE even though I only knew the 'basics'. I became more interested in shooting, buying, looking and 'into' the shooting sports since 1998 because it was something that I FELL IN LOVE with! He owned more boats than firearms - new and 1 used over the years. He did KNOW sail and power boats including old Chris Crafts - the one that we restored together! Ha ha! Before that time, I only used my late husband's 357Magnum D/A=double action revolver for home self defense. NO ccw or vehicle carry with LOADED guns back there.

My groom/husband, not my late husband, and friends own some 'old model ones' and they will keep them that way. They own some new model ones along with other more 'expensive' single action revolvers.

Ruger explains about the old model and new model single action revolvers on their website and you will find this information elsewhere.

Take care.

Catherine
 
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I see we got to "read the manual." I sure hope you can shoot .38 special out of a .357 because that's about all my .357's see. Reloads at that.

Excellent advice, Catherine. I think the Blackhawk is one of the most fun revolvers out there. I bought a .357/9mm convertible and absolutely love to shoot it. Mostly .38 special with some .357 thrown in. I've been dithering over a .45 lc, .45 convertible or an SBH in .44 mag. May have to resolve the dither by buying one in .45 and one in .44.

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Greener,

I think that 2 or more guys on here, maybe one of them is Cajun Bass (?), owns one like yours too. I did hear that your style convertible is SWEET. I do know that the regular 357Magnum in them is SWEET too. I know several men, as stated elsewhere, that own Blackhawks in 44Magnum... they LOVE them. I love my Blackhawk in 45Colt - circa 1998-2001.

I literally FELL in love with single actions when I first 'discovered one' sitting in a showcase at my store back east. It literally took my breath away. Ha ha! I exclaimed how PRETTY she was, the historical LOOK of it to me being a NEWBIE or novice in my own gun buying and not just looking at my house gun as a TOOL - it was really 'his' but mine to use. I said that the single action revolver was as pretty as some fine boats that I had seen, sailed and wished I owned but did not. I was STRUCK by the single action revolver and had never really owned one, shot one nor knew anyone back 'there' who owned one either. By golly, it was at that time that I wanted to buy 1, 2 or 3 guns with my savings (I had my own gun fund money from my paychecks.) and the REST is HISTORY! Ha ha. I discovered single action revolvers AFTER buying some of my other handguns. I saw a sweet b/p (Black powder.) one in a Ruger single action too. The 'Army' (?) one that is NOW discontinued at my former store too. I did not buy an Army one though. I had to have Chad explain THAT to me versus the other single actions. I had NEVER seen one of those before either AT THAT TIME. I had never really 'shopped' at gun stores as I did BOOK stores until I started to buy my own guns. I did buy a rifle once for my late husband with him with me - my money - his Christmas gift after we moved into the house that we built after his USN time.

That Hornady book, other gun books that I own, my former Gun Digest and my library books explained cartridge size to me along with those PICTURES. My late husband took out our house ammo and explained American and Metric measures to me showing me 38Special, 38Special Plus P, 357Magnum, 22LR, and later on 9MM for my Glock Model 19C. When I went into a store, I asked to see what such and such ammo LOOKED like so I had a clue on the size and looks compared to just 'book reading'. My late husband tried to explain thousands and so forth in math sizes to me too.

By the way, I LOVE to shoot 38Specials too - it is a good caliber as is 357Magnum, 45Colt, 44 Special/44Magnum, 22LR, 9MM, etc.!

I own 3 Ruger Single Actions. One in 45Colt-Blackhawk and two in 22LR-Bisley and the Super Single Six-22LR/22WMR. They are the ones that I bought back in 1998-2001. I can shoot the gong far away for ME (50Yards.) and up close and personal self defense shooting too. They are GREAT guns and straight shooters. NOT one problem ever and I don't put 'stuff' or extras on my guns... no offense. I did have a scope for my late husband's S&W Model 41. He used it both ways. His Christmas gift from me to him.

I read YOUR post about your Blackhawk convertible to my husband here. He said that he HEARD that they were VERY nice too.

Take care.

Catherine - A Ruger Blackhawk - my heart be still! Grin.
 
Catherine, thanks again for the advice and wisdom. It sounds like you're passionate about your guns and sport and it's good to hear. I've learned a lot from folks like you on this forum and still have a ways to go but I'm making progress and it's good that people are willing to take "noobs" like me under their wing and help us out, it's appreciated.
Hope everything is well in Montana. I'd love to make it back out there some day, I spent a few weeks out there one summer about 5 years ago backpacking and fly fishing around Yellowstone and the Bozeman area and I loved it. It's a long trek there from here in Maine though.
 
Jeff,

I answered your PM. We have friends in the Livingston area, close to Bozeman, MT and close to Yellowstone National Park (Part of MT and WY.). We go over there and they visit us several times a year. We 'shoot together' - a group of us from ALL over the country including the Montana residents. (Natives/them and 'transplants' as I am.) We visit Yellowstone and Glacier several times a year along with the 'Bob' - Bob Marshall Wilderness which is close to us - about an hour away. Wilderness is all around us.

I love Maine too. More in a PM to you.

If you get out here again, send a PM to me. My husband and I will show you our Deer Creek Rifle Range.

http://www.wmfg.org/

If you would like to shoot with us even at a NON event, fly out without guns, we will lend you some of ours. Seriously. Been there - done that! Most of us 'gun nuts' are VERY friendly, LOVE to share and not only an elk dinner or cowboy coffee around a camp fire! We shoot together, eat together - eat out and home cooked, share hot coffee, camp, hotel, shoot some more, hike, show each other our guns and gun STUFF, look at scenery around here, etc. We have a good group of people including some of us who are oldies but goodies. Veterans, younger ones - kids of friends, some women come out here sometimes, mainly guys, all kinds of people in all professions and backgrounds. We are ALL highly opinionated too! LOL Look out!

I am NO expert and started out late in life with My Own Guns. I know what I own and shoot. I know some about what some other guys/gals shoot but there are TONS of guns that I do NOT know anything about because I have not been exposed to them, seen them, shot them or known anyone who owned them except from a board or a BOOK.

We were all NEW once in any sport and in any specific interest. We learn and most gun people are just as SWEET as boaters. Always there to help another person. I have found it to be that way with almost ANY shooter anywhere and I am not kidding you. I would say that the 90 to 95% of them that I personally met and know and knew-some are deceased now... were KIND, smart, encouraged me as my late husband did when MOST of my friends thought that I was NUTS to want to get into guns more since I was not the 'gun type' to them. I was mainly a swimmer, boater and READER for MY sports/hobbies. The gun people let me try their guns and asked if I wanted to TRY them almost anywhere that I went from an indoor to outdoor range to gun clubs and events. I was asked to join several clubs too.

More in the PM - best wishes and stay safe - have fun!

Sincerely,

Catherine
 
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Catherine, you are much too modest. I've noticed you are pretty knowledgeable about firearms. The decade of study shows.

I consider myself something of a new shooter. I started with a Winchester Mod 69 .22 (still have it) in the 1950's and learned to shoot handguns with a pellet pistol and an S&W M&P .38 special probably made in the 1920's (still have that one, too). Most of my "gun" experience came from about 30 years in the Army Reserves. I restarted about 4 years ago with an S&W 22A to relearn how to shoot. Seems that the guy who could pick up a 1911 once a year and shoot Expert years ago got turned in with the field gear when I retired. It's been a fun 3 years becoming a gun nut.

My first SA revolver was a Super Single Six. Absolutely a joy to shoot. Shooting the single six made buying the Blackhawk much easier, since I knew how it would probably shoot. The BH is not quite as accurate with 9mm. I haven't shot it with the 9mm cylinder nearly as much as with the .38/.357 cylinder. I probably need to spend more time with the 9mm. I have a GP100 and an S&W 442. With 4 revolvers in either .38 or .38/.357 almost all my reloading is in .38. Makes it easier to keep up on the shooting stock. The only "problem" I've seen shooting .38 in my .357's is that the lead bullets will cause a buildup in the cylinder. It takes a bit longer to clean the revolvers to remove the lead.

A fellow at the range yesterday had a brace of Vacqueros in .38. Those were fun to shoot. So now I guess I've got the wants for a Vacquero, .45 and .44. My daughter hasn't been willing to drop out of college so I can support my gun habit. Kids are always so selfish.:D
 
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